A student pilot successfully landed a plane by herself after her instructor jumped to his death mid-flight.
She said her instructor told her “You know what to do” before leaping from the aircraft.
The article shows a picture of the instructor next to an image of a small single engine cessna.
Comment reads: You could literally land a plane by yourself after your instructor jumps to his death mid-flight and they’d still use a picture of a man.
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No problem at all. I didn’t think this one would be effective bait, but here we are.
This reminded me of another story of someone managing to land a plane. This poor lady’s husband had a heart attack, and she had to have people teach her over the radio how to land it. It was running out of fuel. There is audio on youtube. I am so impressed by her. I can’t even imagine keeping it together if my partner had just died and I was in a plane I had no idea how to operate.
The original also mentioned how the new woman pilot didn’t damage the plane when she landed. Which is important when your instructor jumps out and leaves you in the plane. Although also important to note that the new pilot had already flown many times during training and was just getting hours so why point out that she didn’t damage the plane during landing.
I feel like that would be worth mentioning if it were her first time landing a plane. But it wasn’t.
Not to dampen the legit argument being made here, but…
Goes ahead to dampen the legit argument about systemic bias and patterns in representation being made here…
We know there are legitimate reaons not to show someone’s photo or reveal their name. It’s a joke about how the media represents women - or rather that it doesn’t.
By the way, have you read the rules here?
Sorry I thought you were trying to make an actual point, not just click posting.
I thought we were having a discussion about the argument being made, not being pedantic.
If you don’t want your posts to be fact checked source your data better.
If you don’t want to be questioned, check the sidebar before posting.
Ahh the Lemmy version of r/FemaleDatingAdvice. A community for femcels I see.
If you took even a second to look around our community, you’d see that we quite like men in general.
Just not men like you who make assumptions and leave sexist comments.
I identify as a humanoid. My pronouns are “misleading posts should be fact checked”.
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Fucking gross. Glad your transphobic ass got banned.
Good this this wasn’t misleading if you understand context.
Go back to gooning over Zendaya and leave us to this conversation.
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lmao
The post was a kickstarter to a larger conversation
Which is fair, but if the post is a “why would the media do this specific thing” it should hardly be a surprise when people go out and find out why they did that specific thing. A comical statement as part of the post acknowledging “in this case etc” would go a long way to avoiding that.
This is a post in a women’s group about a common trope that the media engages in when they’re covering a story about women.
We don’t actually need men to mansplain this to us.
I know I’m late to all this but I actually enjoyed learning that they withheld her picture because she requested it. I was over here sharpening the pitchfork and it was a relief to not need to light the torch.
The way it was presented I was like, “yeah! it’s always this way!” But with a dab of context I’m like, “Yeah! Good point! Glad they didn’t ignore her wishes anyway!”
Yeah if they had stated that fact on it’s own and if it hadn’t come from a condescending man, the fact itself would be welcome here! I was also relieved to know she had requested to not have her picture shown.
It is still odd to me that they pictured the man in the story since suicides are often not reported on anyway. And I enjoy getting into the nitty gritty of respectfully talking about these topics with other women!
It’s the guy that jumped, and the plane, and the student doesn’t want her picture shown.
It’s a funny meme otherwise, I guess, but she’s not pictured because she asked not to be. 🤷♀️
It’s weird they showed the dude’s picture, if anything. But it’s about the context of how the media covers women.
Why is it weird that they showed his picture? He jumped out of the plane and died
They respected her wishes to not show her.
This isn’t about gender?
The meme itself is funny in an absurd way, but I really hope it’s not being taken seriously lmao
Why is it weird that they showed his picture? He jumped out of the plane and died
Answered your own question there.
Two main characters.
One didn’t want their picture shown which is why it isn’t…
Why are you assuming anyone’s picture should be shown? This isn’t a book cover, the guy committed suicide.
Standard journalism etiquette is to humanize stories so the reader can connect more easily.
It’s one of the reasons local news channels interview random people for quotes, or why they pull random twitter posts to include from people for random commentary about something.
Also not sure how you never noticed that almost every story about someone dying in an unusual way includes their photo. That’s basically standard regardless of the situation or genders.
Suicides don’t usually get coverage like this at all.
I’ve noticed the opposite, that suicide often doesn’t include photos of the deceased. That’s in following journalistic guidelines where I live.
So… his picture shouldn’t be shown? How does that follow?
You’re right it’s two pictures taken out of context, it was your text that asserted it’s from an article and this is a comment from it. My mistake entirely.
It’s a funny meme given the absurdity of it.
Actually, on second thought, I’m just gonna back off of replying to you at all. Cheers!
Yeah I think Wren was just kickstarting a conversation about how media covers women. Even in this story where the woman is the “hero”, it is centering the man who committed suicide. Which is a topic they don’t usually cover anyway due to copycat issues.
I mean, why should i be surprised someone who’s been training to fly was able to land a plane? That’s not news. Seems more misogynistic to be surprised a woman could land the plane.
Some crazy fuck committing suicide by jumping out like that very much is news though lol
More that she was a student who landed a plane after her instructor literally jumped out and died. I get that landing a little cesna like that isn’t hard, but it’s a hell of an stressfull circumstance.
Landing a plane while in shock is no simple feat
Doing anything while in shock is no simple feat. It’s almost as if militaries have entire multi-week to multi-month long training procedures to work around that … that are still largely ineffective on first contact.
Some crazy fuck committing suicide by jumping out like that very much is news though
Oftentimes the media won’t report on suicides in order to not inspire copycats.
why should i be surprised someone who’s been training to fly was able to land a plane?
Because it could have ended very badly if they weren’t trained enough.
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It is expected for a trained pilot (she had a PPL) to land a plane. Suicide by jumping from a plane is the story.
What does it do for you guys to come in here and scold us for what topics we want to talk about?
Why does it bother you?
It’s an online forum where people post and discuss things. That’s how it works.
You’re not discussing things, you’re complaining that we made it about gender. In a women’s only community.
Is it really so shocking that one will find gender-based discussions in a community that is gender-based?
Those are two different sources, by the way. Wouldn’t want to confuse you.
It’s well documented that the media uses biases when covering stories about women. That’s the real topic here.
Have you read the rules in the sidebar?
They’ve got a point. I’d much rather have seen this heroic student pilot’s portrait!
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Do you know which community you’re posting in?
Did you take a look at the rules for this community by chance?
Load bearing /s This ain’t r/memes. And that’s almost chan grade humor. I ewwed and then chuckled. But could have very well done without the reminder to hainousness.
the media loves stories about successful men, and pictures of attractive women.
maybe she didn’t want to be named/photographed
Yes and in this story about a successful woman, they still centered the man.
Have you read the rules for this community?
They could’ve just showed a picture of the plane.
Yeah, but pictures of people get engagement. Social animal and what not.
Yeah I guess this is an engagement economy now, ugh I hate it!
It is, but I’m not sure that this is the best example of the new parts. Newspapers were running photos of people long before you or I were born, and drawings as early as 1806. Even absent a profit-driven late capitalist hellscape, a lot of people feel validated by attention.
This barely relates to the article and the obvious problem.
Sure, they provided a generic pilot image that may have been ai generated and some random small plane. But doing so communicates stereotypes and does not communicate anything of value. Hence they shouldn’t have used this opportunity to push their stereotypes.
Also, this is a horror story and I would have rather not read it. But that’s another issue. And I didn’t notice the gender in writing but only skimmed the tweet. Hence harm was done. This isnt a story about empowerment after all but considers a pilot who is a woman a regular and usual occurrence. Or at least I did while reading.
There are no less than 5 references to her gender in the first tweet. Not disagreeing with you, but it’s difficult to miss that the pilot was a woman.
Its difficult to miss it in the tweet. Its easy to miss it in the articles. In my quick glance, none of the headlines contained any gender information. Some ran the story before identifying the student. The CNN article, the one I read in its entirity, referred to the student by name once, and did not refer to her with pronouns, but referred to the pilot he/him pronouns twice.
The media framed this story around a man’s suicide, rather than a story of a woman’s unexpected solo flight. Both would be valid ways to tell the story, but its telling the publishers all went with the man’s story version.
Their pronouns and placed at expected locations in the sentence. Hence I didn’t read them. I am a weird one when it comes to that. You really need to point that out explicitly if you want me to get that.
Edit: also paying attention to tbe gender of pronouns in German is somewhat pointless since words can influence the Grammatic gender anyway. There is no they them after all.
Isn’t it fortunate that the tweet was in English with a screen snapshot that was in English? Or was “LOL GERMAN” your goalpost moving?
No, but being a german I might perceive gendered pronouns differently compared to native Brits.
Eine Flugschülerin landete erfolgreich ein Flugzeug, nachdem ihr Fluglehrer mitten im Flug in den Tod gesprungen war. Sie sagte, ihr Fluglehrer habe ihr noch gesagt: „Du weißt, was zu tun ist“, bevor er aus dem Flugzeug sprang.
Oh, look! It is equally clear here that the student was a woman and the instructor was a man! It seems that you can’t really hide behind German as an excuse, can you? Or did I mistranslate this badly? (I’m a bit rusty in German.)
Here is a little bit of a tip: if your grasp of a language is weak, perhaps you shouldn’t comment on the clarity of speech of a native speaker of said language. It really isn’t a good look. It’s pretty much why I won’t correct or criticize the grammar of French or Mandarin speakers because, well, my command of these is not strong enough to be certain.
You clearly didn’t read what I wrote with enough attention to detail.
I did not argue that the bit of text didn’t have the information, but that it was encoded only in pronouns and not subject of the post. And encoding gender in pronouns does not work in German. If you had used the correct translation for student which is Student it would have been less clear. Coed (Student with female pronouns) is the word for Studentin. You wouldn’t translate Bäckerin as bakress, I sincerely hope.
Ha! Yep. All about the man, unless possibly the woman is very hot/slutty and/or the man is a member of a subjagated group.
Might have also been an image to portrait the dip shit, but trusting flight instructor. They do have a look of confidence in the situation and I cannot imagine a being a confident student in this situation. But fuck that. They didn’t mean that. And doing such an act is bad. Don’t glorify them.
To be fair, I strongly suspect this story to be fabricated.
