The party of conspiracy theories is finally catching on to this one. 😮💨
Well, the previous theory they held was that God redirected this bullet away from the great and holy warrior Trump and into an evil and unrepentant volunteer firefighter at his rally.
But even they are finding that harder to believe every day.
More like Devil saved Trump
The devil may be evil but professionals have standards. Perhaps Trump is protected by a god who is also a rapist like Zeus.
The Greek gods did quite enjoy playing with the mortals for their own, often sadistic, entertainment. Trump is probably their favorite comedic character in the currently ongoing production.
I’m pretty sure the only chill gods in Greek mythology are Hephaestus, Hades and Persephone, and weirdly enough Dionysus since he is just the god of sex, drugs, and rock and roll also crippling madness.
sex, drugs, and rock and roll also crippling madness
I mean have you heard stories from the 60s-70s? I’m thoroughly convinced the only reason this isn’t part of the slogan is it wouldn’t fit on a shirt.
Honestly yeah. Fun fact I’ve on more than one occasion have considered making lore for a Slaaneshi Ultramarine warband based on the Dionysian Mysteries with some 1970s aesthetics mixed in. Haven’t quite gotten how I’d want them to look down though.
Ares, while of course being the god of War, was never accused of being a rapist, but he did murder someone trying to rape his daughter.
Based and dad pilled Ares. Fun fact he was also married to Warlike Aphrodite over in Sparta, which explains why perpetual cheat is part of both of their characters given how Athenians were the ones writing things down.
They watch out after their own kind.
Why wouldn’t the devil save his own son?
I don’t think Satan would appreciate orange caligula for a son…
He’s a model antichrist.
So was Caligula didn’t save him.
Let’s not assume the devil would stoop so low
Yeah bro has standards.
God redirected this bullet away from the great and holy warrior Trump
Is this why they are quoting Ezekiel 25:17?
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
Trump is the beast and AI is the Anti-Christ.
Peter Thiel is the devil.
I don’t actually believe this, but it does work shockingly well.
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Only one problem, more and more people think Trump is an idiot every day.
Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
A second angel followed and said, “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’ which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
If that happens I’ll buy you a beer, my friend.
And yet God didn’t spare JFK, MLK Jr, Charlie Kirk, or Ashli Babbitt. It’s almost like God has absolutely no involvement in these things. 🤔
They think he staged his own fake assassination, while also blaming Jews and remaining staunch Trump supporters. So just the usual incoherent cultish mumblings, not any actual insight or any movement away from him.
Blaming TEH JOOOZ is never too far off when discussing conspiracy theories.
What I hate about some of these people waking the fuck up about Israel with the bullshit America-Israel attack on Iran, is that for some of them, it only validates their feelings on Jews because they are too stupid to separate some Jewish cabal notion from matters of foreign policy for nations like the United States and Israel…sigh.
Unfortunately you seem to use something called ‘your brain’ to conjure your own reasoning of the world around you. The average conspiracy theorist does not do this. The average conspiracy theorist believes that they’re the main character and everyone else is just drifting through life waiting to bear witness to their glory.
I actually don’t really care if the assassination attempt was staged or not…
(For the record, I don’t believe it was, because I don’t believe this group of chucklefucks could successfully execute such an event without totally cocking it up somehow or accidentally texting their plans to the New York Times.)
…because I know for a fact that Trump has done so many horrifying things right out in public where we can see them that if there was any functional justice in the world he’d already be locked up for the rest of his miserable fucking life. Faking an assassination attempt wouldn’t even be in the top hundred worst things that he’s done.
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I thought it was obvious from the video that he nicked his ear on the secret service person’s belt buckle on the way down when they were piling onto him? It explains the paltry amount of blood that appears only after he’s down, not to mention the optimal healing time. No bullet did that.
I don’t believe it was staged. Everything that came after, yes, lies upon lies, exploiting the situation to its maximum potential, absolutely. But a real rifle was fired, a real bystander was killed, and Trump’s secret service really was incompetent enough to let it happen. No need to invent anything when the obvious truth is damning enough.
Given how pivotal it was to his campaign, I think it’s worth considering how such a thing could be pulled off if it was planned:
People that want to tell stories to drive history need the right characters. Modern information technology makes that easier than ever.
Find a kid with firearm access who’s into something embarrassing online. Preferably someone who wouldn’t shoot the president, so a supporter. Tell him you know what he does in secret and you’ll tell everyone, including police, if they don’t co-operate.
Tell them to go to the chosen firing position and to shoot into the crowd behind the candidate. Tell them you’ll provide protection and a getaway. Tell them there will be a magazine loaded with blanks for them to use at the firing position (they’re live rounds).
When the shots are fired, secret service ties off the loose end without any interaction from the planners, and the kid never even has a name for who put him up to it.
Or tell a crazy person you think there’ll be someone who is going to try to assinate the president and no one believes you on a forum. Drip feed it so you get him to go exactly where you want. .
For your consideration: It’s somewhat well known the reason Trump eats so much fast food hamburger is because he has a fear of being assassinated by poison (due to a lifetime of screwing people over and socializing with the wrong sort). Do you really think that kind of paranoia would agree to allow a mentally unstable kid with a rifle anywhere near him? That doesn’t make sense to me.
It makes sense to me if he trusts the people planning. It’s possible the bullet that killed the person in the crowd didn’t come from the kid, that the kid did actually fire blanks for the narrative while the shooter was someone more skilled and trusted by the campaign. Just spit balling.
Keep in mind, it was either winning or jail for Trump, and this really did turn things around for his run, so there were likely risks he was willing to take, especially if the people planning assured him there’d be no real risk to him.
“if he trusts the people planning” LOL nah.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/trump-staff-incompetent-sycophants
You are ascribing a level of logistical forethought to his team that just, isn’t possible. What is consistent with his every action, is that a media obsessed opportunist looked at the “man, woman, and camera” and decided to strike a pose from Breakfast Club or whatever thing he last remembered. Biff Tannen, Home Alone, The Apprentice, yadda yadda.
You think he won through incompetence? Interesting take.
The machine that got him elected was not incompetent. Roger Stone, for example, is a helluva schemer and has been in the game a loooooong time.
I’m not much for introspection, but when you put it like that … yes actually.
I will tell you that I grew up a bit conservative and one of the things that “The American media apparatus and conservative think tanks and their unholy amounts of billionaire funding Koch et al.” did was build up the idea of politics as a sleazeball game to disenfranchise people. I still believe it a bit. Biff had by and large built up a cult following based in no small part that he was at one point an outsider and “tells it like it is”, unapologetically petty, stupid, but also affable and a joker, racist and greedy.
He (was?), genuinely bonafide stupid and watches TV all day and enough people thought that that was their best reflection. “Authentic” but also… really bleak.
Cambridge Analytica etc was incredibly sophisticated and right-wing think tanks have done far more to shape people’s habits and opinions than you seem to realize.
reminds me of that one Black Mirror episode
I wish it was s01e01.
Definitely came to mind while thinking about this. Seems entirely plausible to me. Trump’s campaign had the resources, considering his connections to people like Erik Prince and the devil knows who else. An extremely simple and hard to trace operation once they’ve honey-potted the “right person”.
We should learn more about him for those exact reasons.
Agreed. Kid “tries to assassinate” the now president and we still know so little about him.
The reason is because he was rightwing, same as the kid who took out Charlie Kirk. It destroys the narrative that liberals are violent when everyone who takes shots at your leadership are from the home team. If it was true, we’d know everything about these people. But it’s not, so the info gets suppressed instead.
Sigh. Exhale. Look down. “Yeah, true Dat.”
That’s certainly a plausible reason, and at least part of the story.
Is there any evidence to indicate the shooter was blackmailed?
Of course not. Why would there be? If there was that would be the story instead of a hypothesis.
Then why do you believe that’s what happened?
I believe it’s a plausible alternative explanation.
So purely baseless speculation with no ulterior motive, sure. You’re trying to insinuate conspiracy while maintaining plausible deniability.
Your “plausible alternative explanation” isn’t much different then saying the assassination attempt was conducted by space aliens. We can say all kinds of things if we disregard the need for evidence.
You go ahead and believe the “official” story that a Trump supporter sacrificed his life for the helluvit and it just happened to turn Trump’s floundering campaign around.
What do you mean no ulterior motive? I proposed one very clearly: desperate self-preservation for the shooter, and political points for the planner.
Why would I care about plausible deniability on an internet forum? Am I on trial? lol
Agree with this scenario, with the exception that there’s no need to give him live rounds, you can have someone else do that when there’s a “response”.
Indeed patsies real and fake certainly aren’t a new concept. JFK and the Unspeakable, and sepately Point of Impact were well written and entirely plausible.
Occams Razor may have nicked his ear also? Wait a second, same thing. But yeah 100% this comment above.
The regime took a situation, spun the bejesus out of it. And umm, that is what was offered up. Poor kid could have received some therapy. Turning him into target practice was way way more cost effective and therefore practical. 🤮
The bullet could have hit the podium, which caused a bunch of bits to blow off, one of which cut his ear.
Edit: I read this theory in the reporting when it happened, and it was never really addressed or officially denied or dismissed later on.
There’s an awful lot around the event that was never really addressed or officially denied or later dismissed on.
No of course not, gunshot wounds to the ear heal up completely with no scar tissue in like 48 hours all the time. One of the ER techs asked Grok.
And the bow shock will totally mangle cartilage beyond that “I squirted ketchup” effect. And he’d be deaf, right? So many problems in this, another cheap caricature of a real thing.
And he’d be deaf, right?
you can sustain a tremendous amount of mangling on the exterior of the ear and still hear. I don’t disagree it’d be mangled tho, not this slight nick. I think he grabbed glass and cut his own ear.
I think they were more referencing the shockwave damage from a bullet moving that close to the ear canal.
shockwave damage
well, that’s the thing… these kind of pressure waves do tremendous damage IN tissue. outside of tissue, small arms caliber? ehhh… I don’t think there’s enough transfer from one medium to another - from the air to flesh. It’s def something I’d love to see tested.
So Trump lied about the bullet hitting his ear. There absolutely was a shooter and a bullet - just because Trump lied about his ear, it doesn’t mean you can just ignore the dead firefighter bystander, and pretend there were no shooter or bullet.
No one said there wasn’t a shooter or bullet - would you put Trump above sacrificing a pawn for a photo op?
Then why do you think it was scripted? Why wasn’t is just a guy missing his shot?
Few reasons:
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It played out like a cheesey action movie. Gunshot goes off, everyone dives down behind the podium for a sec where the cameras aren’t pointed, just long enough to pull a fake blood packet out of a pocket and also it onto his face. They emerge immediately after, everyone sporting an over-the-top expression of panic, except for stone cold badass Mr prez, who just pops up with a triumphant fist pump. (reminder, this is the same guy whose life flashed before his eyes as he was recoiling away from a bird on his desk that pecked in his direction)
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We never saw damage to the ear tissue, just blood streaked on the skin.
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Dude just casually climbs up to an extremely obvious vantage point with a long gun a stone’s throw away from someone under Secret Service protection, during an extremely public showing of an extremely controversial figure, and is allowed time to set up the shot.
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Days later the bandages came off to reveal there wasn’t so much as a scab, it was just magically healed up completely.
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So how would you make something like that look semi plausible? Kill someone in the audience. Trump doesn’t give a shit about his supporters or anyone else under his power. Firefighter? People fucking love firefighters - they’ll be real mad about that.
So… It smells enough like bullshit that I’m calling it bullshit. Could have been something like the gunman was an impressionable dipshit that they knew could be easily radicalized, convinced him to take the shot, and sent him up with a fake bullet. An actual sniper nearby, possibly inside that same building, had his gun trained square onto the firefighter from an angle that didn’t put Trump at any risk, and assassinated the pawn. Cheesey action movie scene plays out, dude on the roof gets killed by responding agents, and bam: Trump is a living martyr. Would only take a few key people to be in on it.
Outlandish? Absolutely, but less so than the official bullshit we were fed, and way more in character for Trump.
Except for stone cold badass Mr prez, who just pops up with a triumphant fist pump.
Trump (like Reagan) was literally an actor, before becoming President. It is not that surprising that Trump can “act” when given an opportunity which arises.
We never saw damage to the ear tissue, just blood streaked on the skin.
Ear wounds bleed like crazy. It could be just a little nick.
Dude just casually climbs up to an extremely obvious vantage point with a long gun a stone’s throw away from someone under Secret Service protection, during an extremely public showing of an extremely controversial figure, and is allowed time to set up the shot.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Also if not incompetence, it would require a lot of people in on the conspiracy - random officers. That sort of thing leaks, unless everybody are really competent. And team Trump is simply not that competent.
It would also require the shooter to more-or-less agree to be murdered.
Trump (like Reagan) was literally an actor, before becoming President. It is not that surprising that Trump can “act” when given an opportunity which arises.
Well yeah… it looked like acting.
Ear wounds bleed like crazy. It could be just a little nick.
Little nicks still produce a scab. His ear was back to 100% in like 2 days. A fucking zit takes longer to heal than that.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
That rule absolutely does not apply to world leaders. He has mastered getting away with evil shit by playing the village idiot so people just brush it off as stupid.
It would also require the shooter to more-or-less agree to be murdered.
It would require him to agree to make an assassination attempt, fully expecting to take the shot and probably some elaborate escape plan – all without knowing his real instruction is to sit pretty while responding agents proceed to kill him. Again, outlandish and probably not how it actually went down, just an example of the kind of shit that’s less implausible than the official story, which is in direct conflict with what we saw plainly on national TV. ‘Ignore your eyes and ears’ and such.
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Your “ask Grok” comment is particularly relevant because this day seems to be the turning point researchers cite for when Musk decided to fully support Trump.
I could only speculate as to whether it was staged and Musk was involved in that, or if it was Musk’s genuine response, or what exactly, but its highly suspicious.
Damn! I can’t see fucking shit out of this thing
okay, yes. it was. but why would they start thinking this now?
Personally, I think the registered republican kid just had the foresight to think “hey, won’t this bankrupt moron who was friends with Epstein ruin any chance of small government Republicans ever having control again?” Like, it makes perfect sense to want to kill Trump, it doesn’t need to be a conspiracy.
Yeah, I’m with you on that (like, if it were a fake attempt, wouldn’t you want the shooter to not be a Republican?), but there are enough weird things around the shooting that it should give anyone pause.
The big one that I haven’t seen a compelling answer for is how someone managed to get on a roof within comfortable plinking distance of a former president running for reelection and then fire multiple shots before getting dusted. “Incompetence” is the only answer we’ve been given, so I’m not surprised that conspiracy theorists are flocking to this.
Not to mention, the skill needed to wing his ear (or hit the glass that winged his ear) at that distance without wanting to kill him in the process, it would probably be beyond the capability of a marksman this young.
I honestly doubt there are more than a handful of marksmen alive who could reliably make that shot consistently enough that Trump would trust his life to them. There’s no fucking way that bloody ear came from a bullet, nevermind the collateral trauma his head would have experienced if it had. The scenario I’ve heard that seems most plausible is that his ear scraped against an SS agent’s holster as they were getting him out of the way.
Doing a shot like that reliably would be beyond the capability of any marksman.
There are, perhaps, some out there who could do it most of the time, but I don’t think there’s a single one ever who could count on it as a 100% thing.
Do we have numbers? Like distance etc. I just want to see if I could make it 90%
He needed to be close but not too close. That was his failure - damn near took him out on accident.
Squibs
There are millions upon millions of people in America, I have literally been in this position (well I was in my apartment) although I was a resident, it’s not like they conducted a door to door sweep. Maybe if I reached my literal sniper rifle a secret service guy would’ve shot me, I highly doubt it though. Trump is dumb enough to go to random places like a lawn care service thinking it’s a restaurant, and people let him. Tbh I haven’t really looked into the issue because I don’t care, but there’s states where 50%+ people own guns and you don’t think there’s one guy mad enough to shoot him?
I had heard it was due to a communication breakdown between the local authorities and Secret Service. It’s a stunning lapse but not impossible, presidents have been assassinated and attacked before.
Actually, I think it could be something more sinister.
IF his identity was real and he actually existed and he was up there with a gun, I don’t think he ever had any intention of doing what the claim says he was trying to do. On the other hand, I wouldn’t put it past the reasoning of right-wingers to either stage the whole thing, or for a lone right-wing kid to intentionally go there and aim for the person behind Trump, with the intention of making it look like what it’s been sold as.
The kid could have thought “If I just do this, Trump will win, I guarantee it,” and he could have been expecting that he (the shooter) wouldn’t be making it out, but would have glory in assuring that Trump was elected.
I don’t know exactly what happened in this situation, but I do know that ears don’t heal in the way Trump’s ear looks.
I could completely believe that explanation. MAGA is that unhinged, that they would sacrifice their life and kill others so that their cult leader god would ascend the throne and bring about the end of days.
Personally, I think the kid was blackmailed into it, by someone who loved to see the carnage after the Emperor dies (and takes the reins afterwards). Far fetched? Maybe, but with the Epstein files very little is far fetched, alas.
That begs the question, though – why hasn’t the person behind it tried again since then?
Someone with the motivation and the resources to do this once could try it again.
Hire loyal braindead cultist. Tell him he needs to be on roof and kill person behind Trump that is actually an evil liberal lizard creature from hollow flat earth.
Have Trump be scared and squirt blood.
Have secret service kill idiot so idiot can’t be interrogated.
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Profit
Forget to do any real homework and fuck up hiding that kid is indoctrinated cultist.
Profit anyway.
And have literally everyone involved in planning and organizing, and everyone who received suspicious orders, keep silent? Or, you know, that other thing I said which doesn’t require tens of people keeping secrets.
It’s hard to conceive they are thinking on their own. Perhaps someone is leading them to parrot someone else’s thinking.
I think the (hilarious) trump Jesus photo did more damage to maga than Iran war did. And Iran war fucked up maga.
All that was left were mostly religious wing nuts.
2024: “Trump good. Protected by God. Evil assassin must be Woke Transgender Communist.”
2026: “Trump bad. Nefarious and sinister. Assassin must have been evil trick to make us think Trump Good. But we too smart. See through trick.”
Some right wing talking heads started saying it.
Their echo chamber is tightly seal but there are those inside of it that can seed discontent. I expect it to increase as the midterms get harder to ignore and go completely off the rails if it’s a slaughter.
It’s a group of people who believe anything that fits their narrative, and they don’t need actual data. If they soured on Trump, it makes sense they’d start believing stuff like this.
Oh they’re finally catching up? Wait until they hear about the Epstein files
I watched a YouTube video where someone tried to recreate the shot that apparently sliced his ear so slightly that all it did was bleed a little…and they failed every time.
Simply due to the pressure wave created by the passing bullet, there was no possible way that bullet just knicked him without also doing noticeable damage to the rest of his head. That side of his face would have been bruised and swollen, and his entire ear would have been pulped.
He was prepared for it, and learned the trick from the McMahons of cutting your ear a little bit in the ring. Palm a safety pin or razor blade and boom, nicked ear
Yes, the sundowning old dipshit is well known for his feats of legerdemain.
Trump is Neo dodging bullets apparently.
No but when we’re ready, he won’t have to.
I know it sounds silly. He loves wrasslin’, and he’s a showman. I wouldn’t put it past him in one of his more lucid moments.
Actually I first bought in to the idea that he scraped it on something on the way down…
I wouldn’t grasp at straw like this if they weren’t lying to us twenty times a day
Wasn’t it glass that caused the cut?
Has anyone seen the medical records regarding this incident?
I don’t know if the the cause of a superficial nick like that can even be determined.
I think the secret service or something came out and said “it wasn’t the glass”
Because Trump wanted to have been shot, not hit with a shard of glass, in a location likely above the ear.
But, tiny shard of glass doesn’t play well with the base.
The real cut was likely sealed with medical adhesive the second Trump was in the car. That too wouldn’t play well, so he got a medic to slap a bandage on the side of his head, but he took it off because his dumbass followers were wearing ear diapers as well.
Could have been when they where manhandling him. Could have been anything really. Old people have very fragile skin.
The word you are looking for is soft. Trump is very soft, almost pillowly. Not just on the outside either, he is very soft on the inside and his brain is very soft to. Soft little hands and soft saggy balls with a little soft dick.
The only part that is hard is his thick skull, but despite this he is still soft in the head.
Link to video?
I’ll check. But, it was probably over a year ago.
Some of the president’s biggest supporters are now claiming, without evidence
Something that will surely be ignored here.
What are you suggesting? Because that line asserts “without evidence”, you’re unwilling to accept that the official story isn’t honest?
You don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist, you don’t need to invent new scenarios that need to evidence, just examine the official narrative and ask yourself if the holes are small enough to ignore?
- The shooter fired from a roof that was outside the Secret Service security perimeter. Reuters reported that Crooks fired from a rooftop that had been left outside the Secret Service perimeter, and former officials described that as a major omission. Reuters also reported that neither Secret Service nor local police had secured that roof.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16
- Responsibility for the AGR complex was blurred between Secret Service, state police, and local law enforcement. The House task force found that officers were posted along the fence line near the AGR complex to prevent foot traffic, but they were not tasked with watching the AGR complex or roof itself. The same report says the Secret Service was “overly reliant” on state and local representations regarding security at the AGR complex.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- There was no true unified command post. The House report says a unified command post would have allowed faster real-time updates among security partners. Instead, key information was relayed indirectly, including by phone, which slowed dissemination in the critical minutes before the shooting.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Different agencies were operating on different radio systems and information was not flowing cleanly. The task force found that multiple law-enforcement entities were operating on different radio frequencies, and that the lack of local law-enforcement representation in the Security Room increased the chance that essential information would be delayed or lost. AP likewise reported communication breakdowns with local law enforcement as a central failure.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The counter-unmanned aircraft system was down for most of the day. The House report states that the C-UAS system remained nonoperational through most of the day and was only successfully activated at about 4:33 p.m. The report also found that not all relevant advance and supervisory agents were informed it was down.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The shooter flew a drone over the area despite the anti-drone capability gap. The task force concluded the C-UAS failure mattered because Crooks flew a drone near the rally site that afternoon while the system meant to detect or mitigate such activity was not operational. That is one of the clearest documented capability gaps in the record.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Line-of-sight concerns from the AGR area were known in advance. The House report says line-of-sight concerns were discussed repeatedly during the week before the event. It specifically describes proposed mitigations including Penske trucks, equipment, banners, flags, and tractors to block vulnerable sight lines from the AGR area.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Even though line-of-sight concerns were repeatedly discussed, the vulnerable area was not effectively neutralized. The same House report shows there was confusion about who was actually responsible for making sure those mitigation measures were set correctly. That matters because it shifts this from “unknown blind spot” to “known concern with muddled ownership.”
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Law enforcement noticed a suspicious person well before the shooting. AP reported that officers became concerned about Crooks before the shooting, and the House report says that by 5:52 p.m., almost 20 minutes before the first shots, at least nine Secret Service personnel were aware of a suspicious person near the AGR complex.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The suspicious-person information was not broadly shared inside the Secret Service. The House report says that in four separate instances where Secret Service personnel were alerted to a suspicious person near the AGR complex, each individual failed to share the information broadly. It says the information was only broadly shared by counter-sniper personnel shortly before shots were fired.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The suspect had been seen with a rangefinder before the attack. The House report includes witness testimony describing Crooks using a rangefinder. It also says that by 5:52 p.m. personnel were aware of a suspicious person who had previously been seen with one. AP also reported that people at the rally and law enforcement flagged him before the shooting.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Warnings from bystanders and local officers did not produce a fast enough protective response. AP’s reconstruction describes a chain of missed chances in which Crooks was seen acting suspiciously, was reported, and still managed to reach the roof and fire. The House report similarly says crucial information did not reliably reach all necessary personnel in time for informed protective decisions.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Even when updates were being passed, critical details did not reliably reach decision-makers in the Security Room. The House report gives a specific example: one official said he “never heard man on a roof,” even though others believed roof-related information had been relayed. That is a concrete documented disconnect, not a vague criticism.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The failure pattern was not just one bad call, but a stack of compounding failures. Public reporting and official reviews point to the same cluster: unsecured roof, ambiguous responsibility, fragmented communications, lack of unified command, line-of-sight concerns known in advance, suspicious-person sightings not escalated effectively, and a degraded anti-drone capability. That does not prove conspiracy, but it does establish a dense factual basis for “the system was full of exploitable holes.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
Is it really just a series of incompetent actions and a kid conveniently planning his execution attempt to line up with all the incompetence? It’s possible, certainly. Are there other more likely explanations?
Literally none of that proves any kind of premeditated conspiracy. The fact that the shooter was Republican and that Trump couldn’t use it to his political advantage makes it clear.
You just want to believe that because it’s more interesting than reality.
I didn’t say it proved a conspiracy theory, I’m saying completely disregarding the possibility is unwise.
We have plenty of examples of decades of government narratives being pushed hard and people being ridiculed for pointing out irregularities, only to later learn the government was either involved or completely responsible.
Don’t just jump up defend them because it feels good that they’re super incompetent.
We have plenty of examples of decades of government narratives being pushed hard and people being ridiculed for pointing out irregularities, only to later learn the government was either involved or completely responsible.
MLK Jr comes to mind.
#9, along with Trump popping right up for a quick photo-op immediately afterwards told me all I needed to know about the situation.
Either it was all known about before-hand, or trump’s SS is extremely incompetent.
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“Without evidence” has never stopped them before.
Perhaps they are on to something? Cue up suspenseful vintage radio theater music.
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so they shoot a kid until the body was destroyed just to make it look more real
They good like that. Sickening & quite unfortunate. But at least we know their strategy & strengths or(weakest points). Tomato tomato.
Both were pronounced toe- may-toe btw. Just in case anyone might be curious if I referenced toe-may-toe & toe-mah-toe. Nope. Straight up Tomater.🍅!
You say it’s you say tomato, I say tomahto, I say it’s you say tomato, I say tomato.
Maga pronounces it 'mater. As in “Ah throws them 'maters at them there libtards to own them.”
Oh damn. Yeah, uhh 🙄 k then.
Because it was
I just think it’s weird there’s just next to nothing known about all these assassins. They just stop talking about them and aren’t interested once they find out they’re also MAGA. If they were a Dem they wouldn’t shut up about it I’m sure.
I enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory content for entertainment - it’s fascinating psychology to me. If I could get a PhD in it, I could do a 200-page thesis this weekend.
Between this and ol’ neck-hole, the T voters started off really just salivating ready to get out their guns and start mowing down anyone left of alt-right Rwanda-style. When the obvious profile of “nut with a gun” pointed the finger back at people like them with mental health issues and guns, it forced a lot of what it normally forces - some sort of delusion of “DeepState-CIA-Massad-FBI-Unilever-SCJohnsonWax-Soros wanted (insert name here) dead because of (insert batshit crazy thing here).”
They have such a level of group-think and us-vs-them bias that it’s genuinely incomprehensible that someone “on their team” could do anything bad to anyone. Self-reflection and wondering things like “oh…should we have gun regulation?” is tantamount to self-castration to them. That’s not an exaggeration.
As a group, under-educated rural voters that trend towards conspiracy mindsets (for 20-40 years, long before MAGA was a thing) have spent so long gaslighting themselves into thinking that nothing bad can happen IRL with no conspiracy behind it unless it fits into their “when do we get to use the guns?” Turner Diary (which was rope, but that’s not important) genocidal moment, nothing else is possible. Only conspiracies and the terrible atrocities of liberals happen. Nothing else. Ever.
So when the Butler, PA guy doesn’t fit the “Evil Satan-worshiping Urban Youth DemoRAT with a gun!” model, the default position is “See? ThEy almost succeeded!”
Then fast-forward a year and once the Epstein stuff comes back around, which makes the whole house of cards wobbly, they’ve dug themselves into such a deep hole mentally, there’s no coming back from it. Just throwing one MAGA personality into the pit after the next because they’re all connected to Israeli money, so they’re burning their own talking heads faster than new ones can rise up the ranks. So at this point, everything to them is a psyop, everything is false flags and mind control and the CIA because the reality that Republicans and wealthy people are huge shitbags doesn’t fit their 2 allowed modes of thinking.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
The longer the Concorde fallacies marinate, the harder that cognitive dissonance hits.
He donated money to Biden’s campaign. Biden’s FBI is the one responsible for keeping quiet about his socials etc during election season.
Yeah, I wouldn’t rule it out immediately given how this chickenshit POS jumped up, and the Secret Service let him, for his very convenient photo-op, and then these dumbasses started selling shirts of it.
His actions in this case seem quite the contrast to the way he reacted to that bald eagle…
I still don’t understand the way his ear healed up - does he have any sort of scar there?
In any case, no matter all the details, it served its purpose and probably helped to get this completely unqualified asshole back into office again.
and the Secret Service let him
They were probably getting him out of there after confirmation the shooter was killed.
Great seeing the left and right finding common ground in unrealistic conspiracy theories.
No the “let him” part refers to when they let him pop his fucking head back up to hold his fist up for the photo op when there was probably still an active shooter. They didn’t move him off the stage until after the photo op.
Yes, this. In all seriousness, I accept the official narrative.
That photo op, though. It just seems so out of character for PEDOnald especially when you can see how he flinched from a bald eagle. Could have been the rush of the moment, though. I’ve never had the displeasure of being shot at.
I liked when the camera people were rushed into the proper spot and the flag was lowered so it’d be in the frame when he reappeared
Journalists rushing to get shots of a historic moment, so shocking.
I mean, I get this isn’t a popular opinion in this thread, but I can see an aid realizing, “holy shit, this is the political opportunity of a lifetime” and ushering in the photographers to take shots.
Why was the flag guy ready to lower the flag so fast?
Maybe during a shooting you should run for cover and maybe not towards the general area of the target
Journalists embed themselves in military units all the time. There’s a big incentive to take personal risk to get footage of major events.
Are we really pretending that the Trump administration had such a close relationship with certain media outlets that he convinced them to go along with this outlandish conspiracy and not a word of that has ever emerged?
Are we pretending the white house photographer caught a blurred picture of the actual bullet as it whizzed by his head?
On Telegram, prominent QAnon promoter MJ Truth asked his 100,000 followers: “How does everyone feel about the narrative surrounding the Butler Assassination Attempt on Trump?”
The overwhelming majority of the hundreds of replies, almost all of whom remain Trump supporters, said they believed the incident had been staged and that the truth may never come out. “The truth will come out 60+ years from now when we’re all dead and nobody really cares anymore … just like JFK!!!,” one follower wrote.
There you go.
Wait the truth about JFK is out?
His head just did that
I love this movie! Just goof after goof.
It’s called The Wrong Guy for anyone curious.
In 60+ years when everybody’s dead? I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah. It was his driver.
He still available for Presidential details? Asking for a Prez.
remain Trump supporters
So they think he staged an assassination attempt on himself (which resulted in the death of an innocent bystander, by the way), and they still support him?
That is correct.
