I wonder where the data comes from, considering in China there’s supposedly 91% Han Chinese and that would be less diversity that South Korea
Weird to think Japan has a lower racial diversity than North Korea
North Korea is probably “no data”.
Weird that they would assign it a value of 2% if it’s “no data”
Yeah, I can’t believe it’s even 2% TBH.
Any data would be self reported and pulled out of the dictators ass
If these conclusions are backed by science, then they are based on the collection of DNA. A scientist would need to sequence the genomes of thousands-maybe tens of thousands-of random people from all across the country. The more populous the country, the more random samples would need to be collected to derive meaningful results.
…this imposes limitations on which countries could be analyzed. Smaller countries would be easier, and they’d need to be of some economic or scientific interest to justify the cost. In a country like North Korea, only the government would be allowed to collect this data. If they were willing to spend the money, I doubt they would release even anonymized results.
If I had to stab at it, maybe they consider north/south related families separately? There can’t possibly be Chinese living there outside of government contracting.
Why do you think it was some pure ethnostate in the first place, and why wouldn’t Chinese people count?
Your comment only makes sense if you have no idea what the NK regime is. Since the 50s, all the other ethnicities would’ve left.
Because it’s not their home if they’re not the “right” race amirite
It’s not my view that they’re unwelcome. It’s the reality of NK…
There might simply be another ethnicity than “Korean”. Perhaps “Manchurian”.
If you want to reach people, you need to name the countries. You can’t just expect people to know 200 flags of the world.
Especially when one of them is Poland, which is incredibly easy to confuse with a couple of other flags. In order from the lowest percentage to the highest:
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1st row: Japan, North Korea, Bangladesh, Tunisia, Egypt
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2nd row: Jordan, Armenia, Comoros, Poland, South Korea
Other than Indonesia, what can you confuse polish flag with? It’s just red and white stripe, too simple to get confused, isn’t it?
Monaco is the other one! It’s basically identical to Indonesia, just a different aspect ratio and, in most depictions, a slightly darker red.
Oh, you’re right. But it doesn’t come up a lot.
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Damn that’s a lot of British East India Company flags
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I mean, it’s got a map, too…
I can ID Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Egypt, Tunisia, and Poland on there without even going to check if I’m right. (I also correctly guessed Bangladesh and Jordan but had to check to be sure, and incorrectly guessed Georgia instead of Armenia.)
Can’t tell what the 10th country is, though, as I don’t see any others marked in red.
I looked it up: you are missing Comoros, apparently, which is country consisting of a few islands off the east coast of Africa, above Madagascar, near Mayotte.
Well I could identify Japan, and the map doesn’t help me.
That’s flat. Check mate globers! /s.
Sorry I watch way too many funny flat earth videos on YouTube. The stuff they come up to explain the world is…well I’m not sure I could come up with it while on acid. It’s pretty nuts.
I think its a good skill to know the world map. Not naming the countries is a good way of knowing wich you are missing
But unfair, it’s always changing! Then again, so are lots of things. Looking at you, Pluto. You’ll always be a planet in my heart
If it was just the flags maybe, the fact that it comes accompanied by a map with highlighted countries means the onus should be on them to, you know, learn something.
Comoros isn’t highlighted (it’s too small)
There is no colour coding between the flags and highlighted countries so you can’t learn from this alone. You have to look elsewhere. Yet there are millions of things to look up, so I need a reason to make flags a priority over the other things I look up every day, and I don’t see it. I enjoy the Geography Now channel but even that channel mostly dropped discussing the flags.
Ya got any names with those flags?
Japan, NK, Bangladesh, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Armenia, Comoros, Poland? and SK.
Edit: It is poland, I’m just wondering how Poland got there.
Racism? Nationalism?
A lot of these actually make a lot of sense. All of these countries make it incredibly hard to integrate into society as a foreigner either because of domestic policy or straight up the language barrier.
In the case of Tunisia, it’s the most liberal Arab country, which is remarkably close to France because of colonialism. Many Arabs wouldn’t want to move to such a place. I don’t think Tunisian Arabic would be the barrier there.
Polish is fucking difficult to pronounce with its 4 and 5 consonant clusters (if I had to guess, most languages max out at 3), and it’s not found anywhere else in the world because Poland didn’t colonize anywhere. They were lucky to get their own country if you look into their history.
Armenia is incredibly socially, religiously, and linguistically dissimilar to everywhere around it. Good luck wanting to move there; 2/3’s of ethnic Armenians live outside the country.
Egypt is the most surprising, because it was colonized and bothered by both the British and French, but it doesn’t have that diversity anymore?
Jordan is a theocratic strong monarchy. Makes sense that non-Jordanese wouldn’t move there.
Bangladeshi people were packed into the country with the partition of India. It’s super ethnically dissimilar to Burma and India. The partition really amplified that.
Poland has a certain… reputation…which is why they haven’t got much racial diversity.
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Perhaps you’re expecting all colonies to be plantations? The British plantations such as North America, Australia and NZ are still as you’d expect. But most of the empire was run for profit rather than plantation. These colonies were administered by British (later a mix of British and indigenous) civil servants and garrisons but there was no intention to build a lasting presence. The British Empire even told itself it would hand back the non-plantations after they had been “set right” for the benefit of the natives.
The point I’m getting at with colonial powers was that English/French was forced onto the locals in one way or the other. Also, British/French citizens moved to the colonies and maintained a permanent presence there, which had lasting impact all over the world.
They didn’t tend to move permanently unless it was a plantation, they were there for a job and moved back after.
They weren’t constantly rotating those positions though? I’m not saying the colonies became fully integrated like how France’s modern colonial empire.
In those places, yea the British contingent were fully segregated from the locals, living in what would now be termed Green Zones. They didn’t mix with the locals.
Your reasoning about Poland would also fit Germany, yet it’s a very diverse country in the cities now… Also has language with very long words with a lot of consonants (“Angstschweiß” “Weihnachtsschmuck” …) and they didn’t really get successful colonies going (Namibia perhaps the most). They also carry quite the “reputation”. I think for most European countries current diversity has more to do with inviting Gastarbeiter (Italian, Turkish, Moroccan…) and/or Soviet style topdown relocation programs of millions of people across the country (Siberia …), and somehow Poland had few of both those scenarios? Anyhow I don’t think difficulty of pronouncing polish language is the cause of low diversity.
what 4 or 5 consonant clusters?
I know Czech language has them, but I’m aside from diphtongues I’m not sure polish reaches 3 consonants in a row
Only one 4 consonant cluster that comes to my mind is szcz, but it’s not actually 4 but 2, since both sz and cz are diphthongs making one sound.
I don’t speak Polish, but I learned about the language in linguistics at some point.
There is no information about clusters of consonants that I can find in that article with the amount of effort I want to put in for the online discussion
Japan North Korea Bangladesh Armenia Egypt Jordan Tunisia Comoros (but it’s not on the map, I just know the flag) Poland South Korea
These are my guesses. This is a game, I’m only 85% sure
Seeing so many Asian countries in the list, my guess would be that white/red flag is probably Indonesia. Can’t believe it is not.
Indonesian is red at the top while Polish is red at the bottom, so the flag is Polish for sure!
It is indeed Poland flag. I just always found it hard to remember. Also, I am surprised. I would guess Indonesians are more closed in for racial diversity compared to Poland. Wonder how much diversity does Indonesia actually have.
Loads. Indonesia comprises thousands of islands spread out over 5000km, which will have given rise to very different cultures + limited genetic exchange. Indonesia also only became unified for the first time as a Dutch colony in the 20th century, so whatever cultural and genetic blending is going on now, it only started happening relatively recent.
Poland in comparison is much smaller, the only natural barriers are rivers, they’ve been a nation for a millennium, and they had population expulsions/exchanges after ww2.
westerners love moving to asia, because they know people are more ignorant there of the drama back home.
how is race measured
Yeah this seems a bit rage bitey or just illogical.
Are americans one race or are say native americans spliced out? Is it culture or actual population movement?
Also we all are un the human race to start with.
In meters.
Somewhat haphazardly, probably 🤷🏻
Lasers, photos, or checkered flag usually.
Laps
Genetics.
This is widely known.
Lol tell the .ml admin that it will be funny
I wonder how they count this, how exactly do you define different ethnic groups
Racial or ethnic diversity?
what’s the difference? I have been using both interchangeably so interested in learning the nuance
I would say that race is genetic, while ethnicity is culture and religion
Almost 30% of Jordan is Palestinian or Syrian refugees so it’s racial I think.
Jordan invaded Palestine back in the mate 40s. There also were in the same country for centuries before 1918
I wonder if there’s an inverse correlation between racial diversity and racism (whether casual or systemic). Of course it’s not easy to quantify the latter…
I’m not sure about the actual prevalence of racism, but one thing I can tell you is that living in a less diverse place makes it real easy for people to be blissfully unaware of their own racism, whereas actually interacting with people of other races forces them to confront it about themselves.
I’ve seen plenty of people here on Lemmy from lily-white states like Minnesota or Montana dunking on the South in the most bigoted way while simultaneously being holier-than-thou about it.
I just find the regionalist bigotry amusing in its own right.
There’s also a reason why Washington state has an intermittent street war between leftists and Nazis and it’s not because there’s a lot of black folk in Seattle.
I bet there’s plenty research on it. I have a lot of thoughts from Polish perspective, but I don’t actually know anything about it.
I.E. I suspect there’s little systemic racism in Poland because there’s no history that would bring it (no colonialism history in modern era and post-WW2 erased any laws from 30s.
Causal, very much - less these days in media, but there’s still racist idioms and jokes. I’d say it’s directly proportional to familiarity, but not exactly malicious.
Then there’s obviously neonazis and “intellectual racists” that have it all figured out.
That’s my casual take about this very not casual topic.
Also only anecdotal, but when the foreign uni students were evacuated from Ukraine, Poland allowed them all except for the students from Africa.
It’s still bad, but I bet it was thoughtless “Ukrainian students” instead of “students in Ukraine” - that is nationality criteria, not place of study.
We have a bunch of various Asian, Indian and African students - again, also anegdotal.
I suspect there’s little systemic racism in Poland
I would suspect there’s a lot of systemic racism, but more focused on “holding the line” of immigration rather than attacking the existing minority groups.
Probably true. But then there’s a lot of immigration happening, especially to Warsaw from places other than Ukraine. I don’t know how it statistically compares to other countries around us.
I also just realized there’s no definition of ethnic diversity on this picture, and where exactly the data is from, so it could be pretty skewed.
It seems like (at least according to wikipedia) true immigration to Poland is tiny (~10,000 per year ). Poland allows a huge amount of temporary workers, though. Germany and Czechia, for example, have roughly 10x the amount of immigration per 1000 people.
I also just realized there’s no definition of ethnic diversity on this picture
Definitely important. It’s all a social construct anyway. Its like any kind of taxonomy where you have lumping and splitting of groups. A country could choose to group a bunch of related groups for nationalistic purposes, or they could chose to create in-groups and outgroups.
With that said, Poland is one of the larger countries in the EU with next to 0 Islamic terrorist attacks.
I half-jokingly say we’re not that interesting to terrorists.
Anyone who has travelled through Europe knows that is not the real reason.
the largest with exactly zero iirc
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Pa(ren)thetic(al).
And then the meme image of Skinner so you know I’m making a light-hearted reference
There’s little systemic racism in Poland? Isn’t it a country of snitches and the reason there’s no minorities because they’ve aided and abetted the nazis?
Read up on it and let’s talk again.
The president of Tunisia is one of those Great Replacement freaks who thinks Sub-Saharan Africans are intent on displacing native Tunisians. My understanding is that that applies to the society as a whole.
I’d say not. This number for Japan includes groups that have been forcefully assimilated like the Ainu and Ryukuans. And then you see how more racially diverse places like the US are. So both homogeneous and diverse populations and nations can be pretty racist, both systemically and individually.
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What am I, a vexillologist?
Japan must be stoked they made it under 10% again
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Number 10 on the list?
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