Definitely kicked the hornets nest with this one OP lol
There’s entirely too many people who let perfect be the enemy of better in this thread
Uh… I was offline. What happened?
Maybe Dems should try standing for something more than the status quo.
at least it exposed who supports the israel, aipac 100%. last thing the dinos want is Madmamis, aocs, and bernies being elected to the houses, and now PLATNER in maine of course. david hoggs was suppressed from the DNC. and there was an iraq war veteran that tried running to expose the hubris of congress.
Usually I’d put some electoral reform videos in a thread like this, but that time has long since passed us by.
Enjoy your 1%er divide and conquer propaganda.
“Why don’t everyone support 7 genocides?”
My standpoint is this: I feel betrayed by the betrayals, I’m frustrated by the things Democrats didn’t do when they were in power. I accept as an unfortunate reality, at least some 1-15% of the Democratic party (can absolutely be more!) is corrupt and cares only about the NASDAQ, themselves, or Israel and ethnostates. That bloc will vote hard against anything pro-American like healthcare, defunding ICE, or defunding Israel. They might even pretend to support those things at times when no vote will pass.
There’s also more than a few timid, ineffective Democrats that are only voting for obvious wins, and won’t vote against any appointments because they don’t want attention on themselves.
A lot of that, ultimately, doesn’t matter. That type of opportunistic traitor, or coward, doesn’t get much of a mechanism in a supermajority, where their choice to stand against Democrats doesn’t even buy them anything; when over 50 seats in the Senate are NOT bought out by corporate interests.
By all fucking means, pick out the betrayals, watch people’s individual voting records, vote in primaries, and raise a stern eyebrow anytime a voter tells you they “vote blue, no matter who”. But don’t pretend you can’t look past nuance. We’re dealing with a mammoth ®ogue political party, which is the unfortunate reality, and even cutthroats could decide they benefit from taking credit in its destruction.
I got curious to see when the last time the democrats held power. We all know a single two year term isn’t long enough to accomplish anything before policy gets reverted.
House and Senate control history
The last time it was two 2 year consecutive terms was the 110th and 111th session. (2007-2011;Bush2001-2009/Obama2009-2017)
Prior to that, there was a four 2 year consecutive term streak 100th to 103rd. (1987-1995;Reagan/Bush-HW/Clinton)
The longest control was 13 terms; 84th-96th session from 1955-1981.
You say that but it seems like the current administration has made a lot of change in less than 2 years when the entirety of the party is in lock-step.
Imagine if instead of ACA we got medicare for all, meaning Republicans trying to touch it would’ve effected every single citizen akin to social security that they still haven’t successfully gutted because of the political suicide it would cause for them.
funding israel and starting wars is actually pro american, that benefits america.
funding israel is supporting Israels aim, while israel doesnt need use thier own cannon fodder to throw at the ME, they know how unpopular it is for thier own troops to suddenly die because thier own population would turn agains them, so they usea proxy, which is the UNited states via AIPAC and jewish billionaire backers.
Specifically your political and financial apparatuses. Not Americans in general.
american imperialism does benefit americans in general.
Nooo the country isn’t rotten to the core, it’s not like, based on pillage and exploitation of other nations and peoples or something ahaha. We just have to vote right and name more warships after famous gay people, just one more progressive warship I swear. Maybe an autonomous one?
Section 702 isn’t a mass surveillance program. It has its problems (the main sticking point being that the surveilled non-Americans living outside the US communicating with other non-Americans outside the US might discuss Americans or forward communications from Americans, and now Americans’ data is collected), but let’s at least accurately describe the law being discussed.
42 out of 212.
BUT DON’T YOU SEE THEY’RE ALL THE SAME
You liberals just don’t get it, do you?
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7 is still too high a number. Anything other than 0 is completely unacceptable.
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When it comes to measuring the fuckery of the Democrats vs the Republicans, the number is HARDLY 7 vs… uhh… I’m not counting Side B’s total. No, in fact Trump won the popular vote this time BECAUSE Genocide Joe was worse than Trump and his stand-in did nothing to suggest a change in policy. His genocidal and bloodthirsty policy. No amount of “B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Trump!” can deflect from his unconditional support of Israel and how he instigated the conflict in Ukraine when Biden is in fact worse. Also Bush and Cheney were worse war criminals than Trump and… y’all love them nowadays. In fact, you were all HAPPY to parade around Cheney’s endorsement of Biden’s stand-in! Gee whillikers, how ever did you alienate the anti-war crime crowd?
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The Democrats tried (and succeeded) in getting third party candidates removed from ballots in 2024. Not the Republicans, the Democrats. Is THIS the democracy you all said Trump would take away from us?!
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The Republicans never would have gotten this far without help from the Democrats in suppressing the actual left. Liberals and the Democrats whine so much about Trump now, but riddle me this: why did the Democrats fight Bernie harder than they ever fought Trump? And keep in mind Bernie just wants regulated capitalism while the left wants to abolish capitalism entirely. He was very much our compromise candidate.
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Malcolm X said:
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”
MLK said similar things. The longer I live, the more I feel this sentiment. The genocide in Gaza cemented this. Never, ever, mistake a liberal for an ally.
That WAS a MLK quote.
Malcom X said liberals are like foxes. They look like they’re smiling but then they’ll backstab you.
Malcom X said things more like this:
Brothers and sisters, I’m here to tell you that I charge the White man. I charge the White man with being the greatest murderer on earth. I charge the White man with being the greatest kidnapper on earth. There is no place in this world that that man can go and say he created peace and harmony. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created havoc. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created destruction. So I charge him. I charge him with being the greatest kidnapper on this earth. I charge him with being the greatest murderer on this earth. I charge him with being the greatest robber and enslaver on this earth. I charge the White man with being the greatest swine-eater on this earth, the greatest drunkard on this earth.
Facts as well
“Not all etc. etc.,” but I have a hard time disagreeing with him.
Barbary slave trade says hello
MLK said that exact thing. That quote is from his “letter from a Birmingham jail,” not anything Malcolm X said.
I feel ill inclined to someone who mistattributes such a famous quote ngl
liberalism is a disease. Read Lenin ffs.
What he described is a conservative, not a liberal.
Something tells me I’m going to be bombarded with messages that, well, are pretty much exactly what the meme is about.
*Also, a conservative masquerading as a moderate/independent/politically homeless/fiscally responsible? I’m shocked. Shocked!
Average lemming when 6 conservative Catholics appointed by Republicans gut voting rights: I can’t believe the leftists did this!
Are you trying to equate Democrats with leftists? Or are you saying the average Democrat blames leftists for the things the Republicans do? Because one is correct and the other is unhinged, and the Democrats are not left in any way.
How did those 6 conservative Catholics get there?
appointed by Republicans
Maybe try reading the rest of the sentence and you might find out!
Read? Who told you I know how to read!
I totally missed that part, lmfao
You’re right.
I should give Democrats credit for all the times they held power and still didn’t do jack shit about the VRA except wring their hands and pretend to be powerless to stop the judicial repeal of it.
After all. Actually doing stuff requires effort, and it’s unreasonable of me to expect the opposition party to actually oppose things.
My favorite thing about these threads is anytime someone like you makes an actual argument for your position, rather than the ridiculous strawman argument from the le epic meme, the Kamalaposters just downvote and never reply. Probably curled up in a corner telling themselves you’re just a bot and they don’t need to listen to your evil words.
I think that, after decades of inaction at the incremental destruction of the VRA, one has to kinda admit that Democrats really just agree with Republicans. They own the policy too now, just as with every fascist policy they spoke out against and then either did nothing to stop or actively encouraged.
I tried to understand this but I couldn’t figure out how to draw it as a trolley so I’m just gonna have to conclude you’re a bot. Or if not that a shill. Or if not that just stupid. Sorry
And it’s always the fucking trolley problem lmao. Libs can only hold like two surface level factoids about any given topic every four years or so.
Not to mention, the point about the trolley problem is how it has a million complicating factors but libs are like “no, I solved it, crank on that fuckin lever or you’re a monster tankie Chinese ruzzian bot”
Yes I have enjoyed thinking about trolley problems since like 2010 so I feel like a bit of a hipster with them. Your point is hilarious and true. The entire thing the trolley problem is supposed to illustrate is how difficult-to-impossible it is to make a decision even in the literal trolley problem situation. Its supposed to be a fun intuition pump that shows how moral decisions are not straightforward. Yet seemingly for large groups of people the takeaway is that moral decisions are extremely straightforward because you just do what you already want to do, and also you have full authorship over the situation and its outcome for some reason. Man… I never realized how ironic that is that people are getting exactly the opposite lesson out of it. Hilarious.
I’ve had people on here tell me I have blood on my hands and AM a baby murderer due to not voting Kamala. I pointed out that, just like them, I am trying to pick a lesser evil in the short term for a long term greater good, but just over a longer frame of time and a larger group of people than they took under consideration, which really means that they’re the bigger bloody handed child murderer according to their method of assigning guilt, and they’re just selfishly limiting their scope of concern to people they know here and now.
I got no response from them, and someone else just called me a stupid asshole. 🤷
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Democrats: Pass landmark legislation to give minorities political power, eventually lose power
Republicans: Gain power, strip minorities of political power
You: “Why aren’t the Democrats doing more?”
Every time the GOP burns the house down, they’re politelt excused and Democrats get blamed for not bringing enough water. Explain exactly why you think the Democratic Party wanted the VRA to die.
Democrats have never made a single significant improvement that wasn’t under explicit threat of violence from the organized masses, and even then only after dragging their feet and heavily negotiating it down.
Democrats: Pass landmark legislation to give minorities political power
This is some wild erasure of impact of the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s on pressuring Democratic politicians, including LBJ himself, who was more worried about pissing off southern Democrats than passing the VRA. It wasn’t until the threat of mass civil unrest was upon them that that it was passed with bipartisan support, with 20 of the 32 Republican Senators at the time (not a typo, Dems held a supermajority of the Senate) cosponsoring the bill to prevent southern Democrats from filibustering it. It also passed the House with bipartisan support and a 333–85 vote (Democrats 221–61, Republicans 112–24).
As always it is the people, not politicians, who get the goods.
And let’s not forget that Strom Thurmond, the man whose hatred for black people gave him the demonic fortitude to filibuster the Civil Rights Act for 24 hours and 18 minutes was a Democrat, until he and his ilk decided to all gather in the Republican Party.
I don’t think liberals will ever quite understand why it was so easy for him to switch parties like that. Or why Trump made the same switch after being a Hillary supporter in 2008.
Not only was he a dem, he was personal friends with the Clintons. All that racist shit libs know he’s been saying since the 90s? His buddies were pushing for the Crime Bill at the time
I see. So if our ideal candidate isn’t possible anymore for the next election, we should always vote for the worse candidate, to drive people further towards public outcry, until civil unrest can get the real goal accomplished.
Makes perfect sense
That isn’t anything close to what I said.
But okay. If it makes you feel better. 🤟😎
Cool beans bud, great talk. 🤡
This is the highest of liberal thought. No retorts, just acting smug.
Saying both sides are evil is not saying I can’t see a difference. Also it’s a lot closer to even then it appears. The dems are better at hiding thier evil. The GOP is flaunting it.
One side aligns with my views 70% of the time. The other actively wants me and everyone like me to die. I refuse to acknowledge the differences between them. I’ll actually deploy this lack of understanding as a weapon to depress voter turnout and make sure the second group gets to wield power!
it is propaganda method by the right, like your vote doesnt matter. thats how we end up getting schumers and hakeems of the congress, when less people vote, more conservative candidates are elected, this includes the DINOs. maine is currently fighting with susan collins, mills and platner 2 of them are conservatives.
no sane person agrees with democrats 70% of the time lmao, maybe like 25% at best
I’ve had to start saying I don’t wanna talk about politics. I have an hick accent, so people think I’m a republican, but truth is I just get a bit too worked up explaining why most governments are illegitimate terroristic rouge states – the people ain’t had a democracy since Athens or good politician since pericles.
Do you not care about GENOCIDE???
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Genocide Joe!
Making sure the party that continually starts new wars in the Middle East gets elected will surely help my cause!
<Trump and Bibi plan a resort where Palestinians will be removed from their homes and likely largely killed>
“Yeah but you support GENOCIDE!”
You say ‘Genocide Joe!’ like he didn’t actually support and enthusiastically aid a genocide.
More like supported and slightly reluctantly aided.
I expect there were guardrails that Israel was careful not to cross. You know, like completely flattening Gaza and demolishing southern Lebanon.
It’s still AIPAC fueled genocide, but I definitely preferred the slower version to what we have now.
Good thing he wasn’t on the ballot then
Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right??
Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn’t vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?!
Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down!
“If it hadn’t been for Genocide Joe, I’d been married long time 'go…”
Yes. We must bring genocide to the U.S. and maintain the genocides overseas!
Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track!
it’s simple, you just don’t vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win
blowing up/ derailing the trolly also works
it’s simple, you just don’t vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win
THAT’S NOT HOW VOTING WORKS!
People have to vote FOR the OTHER party, or else the genocidal warmonger party wins anyway!
You are saying shit that is both moronic and factually untrue.
you know there’s a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.
I voted for them last election and don’t regret it
you know there’s a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.
No there fucking wasn’t! Not one that could win! You’re a goddamned liar and you are helping the fascists!
And there’s no viable way to do that under the current system, which is why the track isn’t connected.
i love how you concede that the system is so dysfunctional you can’t even oppose a genocide under it and simultaneously expect me to to believe that individuals voting (or not) is somehow making a meaningful difference in the outcome
It must be so nice having worldviews that can be fully encapsulated by trolley memes
Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit.
I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes:
- The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley’s path
- Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown
- The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two
- There are more splits off of each subsequent path
- Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we’d represent that)
If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this?
Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p
Perhaps I should have said “worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes”, lol
Either way, you gotta have your hand on the lever!
Yes, despite my sassiness towards you in this thread this is a true and wise observation that goes ignored too often. My disagreements are not pertaining to the idea of inaction constituting action
i’m somewhat of a centrist so i think it’s gotta be somewhere between these two:
Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme!
i mean not really, it’s not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is ‘pragmatic’. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao
organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn’t
Voting for neither is the same as voting for both.
Voting for neither is the same as voting for both.
if voting for neither is the same voting for both, then can we formally acknowledge that my vote makes zero difference and maybe people can stop votescolding?
While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil.
The stakes are the future of the world.
if the ‘future of the world’ hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas
funnything in rick and morty, the very same episode supernova says"what is is-rayel" referring to israel, rick and morty and FAMILY guy are 1 of the 2 shows that poke fun of the ridiculous of hte gaza/palestine conflict.
So, actually that question though? Genocide used to be a really, really bad thing, and here you’re making light of it. I feel like people have lost the plot a bit if they talk about an actual genocide like this. “Yeah, sure they committed a bit of genocide, but have you seen the other guy?” I feel like I’m losing my mind
We have had years of constant video footage of it happening. Being desensitized is bound to happen.
I don’t know what kind of person could look at parents being handed the remains of their child in plastic baggies and at any point in their life go “oh wow are they still going on about the genocide?”
That isn’t what they were saying tho.
No, no one is saying those words exactly. But I see the sentiment be expressed in threads like this over and over, and it just doesn’t compute.
The only ones making light of genocide are the ones who helped make more of it happen through their refusal to vote for harm reduction.
No, it’s the people like you who are going: people should have voted for some genocide to prevent more genocide, instead of saying something sane like: maybe the fucking Democrats shouldn’t have been promoting a fascist in Israel while running on being anti fascist
instead of
LIAR! Of fucking course the Democrats shouldn’t have been doing that! Nobody’s disputing that! You are inventing a false dichotomy out of thin fucking air!
Who’s lying? You, right here in this thread, are ragging on the voters. Not the genocide supporting Democrats who refused to stop supporting fascist Netanyahu.
You have decided to spend your energy not attacking the corrupt shitbags, but the people who are stuck STILL asking them to change their stance. What the fuck are you fighting for?
You are cherry-picking only the things I said in this thread to try to crucify me for being on-topic. That’s disingenuous bullshit and you fucking know it.
And besides that…
Not the genocide supporting Democrats who refused to stop supporting fascist Netanyahu.
What part of “of fucking course the Democrats shouldn’t have been doing that” did you not understand? I did, in fact, criticize genocide-supporting Democrats right in the very comment you replied to!
And moreover, EVERY SINGLE OTHER COURSE OF ACTION SUPPORTED FASCIST NETANYAHU EVEN MORE.
You have decided to spend your energy not attacking the corrupt shitbags, but the people who are stuck STILL asking them to change their stance. What the fuck are you fighting for?
I’m fighting for you to quit being delusional accelerationist dipshits who cause more genocide, among countless other catastrophes, through your sheer stupidity!
I ALSO fight for replacing the genocide-supporting Democrats with something better, IN OTHER TIMES AND CONTEXTS WHERE IT’S ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE! And fuck you for telling lies, falsely claiming I don’t!
Yes, genocide is bad. You know what’s worse? MORE genocide. That’s what we got from people not voting because of it.
If you market yourself as being against fascism, maybe don’t vehemently support a different fascist regime and shout down anyone who questions it.
The fact that people like you are spending your energy getting pissy with the voters and not the fucking Democratic party who refused to change their stance is fucking insane.
surprise: I can hold two thoughts in my head at once
Thoughts, sure. You’ve chosen to spend your time attacking those who wanted change, not the ones who refused to not back the systemic murder of an entire people.
Priorities.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn’t realize I’m a different person.
The two thoughts I hold are “on election day, it’s self-gratifying not to vote for the outcome with the highest lows, raising the floor” and “before and after election day, do whatever you can to make the lives of politicians who fail miserable and support better candidates, up to and including civil unrest”
Not voting is categorically ineffective. There may be plenty of things more effective than voting, but not voting isn’t one of them.
People love to present this scenario like it’s a lever with three positions: candidate A, candidate B, or civil unrest. But it’s not. It’s one switch with two buttons (candidate a, candidate b) and another separate button for civil unrest. You can do both
Congrats on not being brown, or from a third world country
I am both brown and from a third world country. You fucked us over with Trump.
Republicans destroying USAID is expected to kill how many millions of brown people in third world countries? How many children unvaccinated and uneducated?
But both sides apparently are the same
USAID caused more damage than help, I am glad trump destroyed it, altho for the wrong reasons.
USAID killed more brown kids in third world countries than most US programs. It was built by the CIA to destabilize countries and foment dissidence towards unfriendly governments (that usually aren’t able to provide for their citizens because of US sanctions anyway). Let’s not pretend it is bad for the world that this is gone; it is just amazing there are no longer any intelligent republicans that understand US foreign policy and allowed it to go away.
Both sides aren’t as similar anymore, as in Republicans literally stopped paying attention to the intelligence community and what they do to project US military imperialist power across the world and accidentally are helping the rest of the world break free from US imperialism; but ‘both sides’ want the exact same thing, ones just no longer intelligent enough to hide it behind doublespeak.
Seriously pretending USAID was a good thing is like pretending the NED promotes democracy or the US has ever been the victim in any conflict.
Missed your username, naturally you think feeding the hungry is an evil CIA plot.
Not that you actually care about the lives of brown people in 3rd world countries except as a way to generate outrage, but 92 million lives saved is the estimate.
‘Feeding the hungry’ is an evil CIA plot when the US State department made them hungry.
And yes, as a brown person now in a 3rd world country (technically second world, but anything not white is third world to you people), I do care about the crimes the US does to the country I’ve been adopted into; including what USAID has done.
Pretending any thing the US has ever done has been done out of benevolence is, at best, pure willful ignorance. Ask someone in a country that has been affected by USAID why USAID was necessary sometime. Go on.
The US messed up most of Latin America. USAID makes things better. Removing USAID makes things worse. It doesn’t matter whether it is out of benevolence (the real reason is that making Latin America better means the US doesn’t have to deal with a migrant crisis). What matters is that it’s better than the alternative.
Don’t need to trust them. You can trust the literal CIA when their staff says USAID helps them achieve in the open what they used to do covertly and thus freeing resources from the agency (to REALLY focus on the unspeakably evil shit)
One side aligns with my views 70% of the time
False.
One side SAYS they align with their views, and then do the same shit as Republicans, and kind of just expect you to swallow excuses. Meanwhile we’ve watched Donald act unilaterally with near absolute power for two years, so we know objectively that the lack of power was (and is) never the problem. It was that they didn’t actually support what they said they did.
You don’t know his views, he could be really into fracking, small business owners, and war.
That last one for sure.
What do you think I include in that 30%?
Still, this is very obviously the worse outcome. Democracy isn’t make a wish. You grow up and vote for the least shitty option to prevent the even more shitty options like an adult. Or you can keep crying about not getting your will like a child in the toy isle.
One side aligns with my views 70% of the time.
That’s an optimistic percentage, and yet still not an excuse to avoid voting for them.
If I know somebody who agrees with the Dems 70% of the time they’re basically the white dudes from Get Out.
Let’s grant your premise. I don’t think if I had a friend who liked 70% of the same shit as me but I found out the other 30 they’re assaulting kids, killing minorities, sending money I gave them to genocidaires, doing unspeakable atrocities to ALL of the people outside our shared neighborhood, and being buddy buddy with the other dudes who do that shit 100% of the time, I would just not want to hang out with that guy.
Maybe I’m built different tho.
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Wait, who does the left want to die?
Um, the right obviously! I want everyone on the opposite side to die so obviously the other side must feel the same!
Genuinely hard to not be black pilled by this constant bullshit like as if there are genuinely elected officials making comments about “MAGA hunting” or some shit. Literally only one side wants to eat the other. One wants death the other wants brunch. Fucking hell.
They want me dead… I want them to have single payer healthcare.
No I absolutely want fascists to die. A world where we allow fascists to live is a world that will fall to fascism, because fascists don’t play by the same rules as the rest of us.
Yeah. I get the SPIRIT of the idea, but MAGA has committed WAY more than enough heinous crimes where I’d ACCEPT them being thrown of out power, but in my heart of hearts on my extended wishlist I’d like to see them all drawn and quartered.
Hell yeah, like most authority, do as I say not as I do is huge with orange dingleberry and his bootlickers.
Nazis, slavers, and unrepentant pedophiles mostly.
So nobody important, got it.
Au contraire, for example any and every member of Congress fits the description.
So nobody important, got it.
That might be a bit hyperbolic.
Bernie Sanders has his faults, for sure, but I don’t think he’s a nazi, a slaver, or an unrepentant pedophile.
I mean I see conservatives say it all the time they believe liberals want them dead. Like nah just dont be fucking assholes and pedophiles lol
Mostly it’s, GTFO of my personal life that doesn’t affect you. Practice some of that liberty you like to pay lip service too. Admit there is a gun proliferation issue and address it.
It’s always projection. The right is happy to murder death kill (see slavery) so they assume everyone else is too.
Plenty of them do. People like tucker Carlson and Alex Jones have audiences. And for God’s sake /r/conservative, and practically all of reddit is a conservative hatefest now.
Edit: nevermind, I misunderstood this comment originally.
Fascists.
I’m fine with them not being fascists anymore. But yeah, if they refuse, fair point.
Adapting to the level of discourse here: the left wants successful and lucky people to die
Just when they don’t pay their fair share and/or use their wealth to buy legislation.
I think if you would understand that Democrats chose to keep funding Israel and Ice instead of getting more votes, you would understand why this meme doesn’t mean jack shit for the undecisive voters.
Unless of course, you want to say that it wasn’t worth it in terms of voter count for Democrats.
ICE is literally not funded today because Democrats wouldn’t fund the gestapo. Thank you for your input, low-information nonvoter.
Every Democrat government official since the creation of ICE has kept them funded. They didn’t just suddenly pop up in the last couple years. Obama and Biden could have easily destroyed them, but Dems like killing Nazis about as much as they did after WWII when we kept too many of them alive and free.
There’s a clear continuity of ICE policy between Obama, Biden, and Trump. Today’s ICE and its severe fascist escalations would not have been possible if Democratic administrations had not poured so much resources into it.
But I guess bothering to remember anything that happened more than one presidential cycle ago makes one a “low information voter”.
Democrats have carried out multiple genocides, what makes you think they wont fund the gestapo?
Reality is so inconvenient for .ml’s and hexbears.
That’s why Piefed removes accounts that prove you wrong. Reality sucks for fascists.
Either I agree with and endorse your exact definition of socialism or I’m a fascist? Cool. That’s a really mature and reasonable way to look at the world.
But not as inconvenient as it is for liberals~.
We have documents full of links pertaining to reality as it is, as it was, and most importantly, receipts for how libs pretended it was otherwise.
Y’all treat it as proof of being bots or spies or whatever the fuck you need to tell yourselves to refuse to engage with the evidence. I smell a projection tbh.
I can’t tell whether bots/foreign agents are starting to substantially infiltrate Lemmy or if there’s just that many dumbass “both sides” dipshits on this platform.
There are absolutely that many dipshits on this platform.
Time to go back to BBS and telnet…
Eh, there are dipshits on every platform. The world is full of morons with a full range of technical ability
True, but also you have to remember that a lot of us are folks who got kicked off Reddit for saying too many things that pissed people off there.
Yeah, I’m one of them lol
Then we’re doomed.
Always have been
They absolutely are. They were happy to do it on their own instances until world defederated from them, and now they figure they have to be active on the normal instances to ensure their manipulative machinations reach the right eyeballs.
And they still use the same excuses. B-b-but the libs and Israel… Like that justifies trump and Israel, trump and Iran, trump and ICE, trump and Venezuela. Seriously, fuck off and stop acting like your hands are clean. They could’ve protested one president being a douche about Gaza but instead allowed another to perpetuate it, bomb Venezuela, starve Cuba, bomb Iran, strangle the world for energy, starve kids, and build a massive Sturmabteilung at home among many other things. They’re the “buttery males” of non-voters.
Yup. Their concern about Palestine was never about Palestinians, or they would have voted for the candidate that was clearly least destructive to Palestine. It was always about their own self gratification. Stroking themselves, if you will.
All their purity test did was hurt Palestinians more. Idiots.
how was harris less destructive to palestine?
Biden had conditions on how Netanyahu could act. Trump has removed all limits on Netanyahu.
I can’t tell whether bots/foreign agents are starting to substantially infiltrate Lemmy
I mean, a little bit of common sense goes a long way here.
