you catch these notions? I feel like there’s this Friday night after work drinks I’ve never been to, so I missed out on all the office gos.

they really pulled them out of their ass from what i can tell. easier to argue against caricatures than real people

I can’t even respond to them and expect a reply because i’m instance banned from piefed.social (rimu doesn’t like me, got banned around the time of this post )

ML probably does too.

it’s news to me if it does, got any example?

if someone is constantly running into bad faith attacks against socialist states and cold war propaganda, they’re going to tend to lead with defense rather than internal critique. that’s not the same as having no critique.

I suspect propagandists would weaponize the ‘weakest’ commonly utilized option against the cause.

one example that comes to mind is the ‘from the river to the sea’ slogan; it’s a call for equal rights across historic palestine, but gets labelled as a call for genocide by detractors.

changing the slogans doesn’t help because the target isn’t the words, it’s the underlying demand. propagandists will weaponize whatever language you use if the politics behind it threaten them.

the way i see it conceding the rhetorical terrain just means constantly retreating to increasingly watered down language while the actual demand gets no closer to being heard.

though with less content advocating for the literal murder of every person currently living inside of a Western civilization).

“Do you want to see extremist content, including calls for murder?”

‘death to america’ is a hyperbolic idiom meaning an end to american imperial dominance, not a wish to harm american people. as an american myself i say it all the time. i want to see an end to the system, not the people living under it. ‘marg bar amrika’ has been a protest chant for 50 years and has been deliberately mistranslated by propagandists to demonize dissent.

what good is ‘america’ to the people it bombs, imprisons and impoverishes anyway?

1, 5, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, and 18.

Do I get to be a socialist?

• 20| Would you rather live in the America imagined by the 1912 Socialist Party than the America of 1912?

we agree on some things, but i would totally prefer to live in 1912 america under socialists than what it actually was.

the 1912 socialist party platform was:

• eight hour workday

• abolition of child labor

• direct election of senators

• women’s suffrage

• unemployment insurance

• old age pensions

these are like the bare minimum and wouldn’t even partially arrive for decades later in reality.

the actual America of 1912 was more like jim crow, 16 hour workdays, children in mines, no labor protections whatsoever.

why are you taking it so personally when I say “fuck those bots”?

a significant portion of the .ml user base are either russian trolls, or russian-sympathizing trolls. I wasn’t “wishing anyone who disagrees with me would get drone-striked.” I was saying “I hope these drone-strikes targeting troll-farming datacenters take a noticable portion of troll accounts offline.”

Your usage appears interchangeable.

I find the speed with which you jump to dehumanization interesting

oh i’m not a nazi, but i’m not convinced about you

literally indistinguishable from a chud post lmao

you just told me to go to china lmao, pick a lane

i am extremely employed, not only do i work a full time job, i totally get a fat check from xi and putin every month.

you tick off all the boxes sorry babe

you seem very invested in defending america for someone who isn’t from here; absolutely subservient behavior

hey you woke up! are you going to be around after the election?

lol you even post like a chud

why would i go there, rather work to make america less shitty

that is why people don’t like the US, all the countries its invaded

western fascism has plenty of indigneous roots, the amount that russia spends is a drop in the bucket. it is a convenient way for you to avoid examining how capitalism produces fascism domestically. everything can just get blamed on your state adversary and anyone pushing back must clearly just be under foreign influence

the only people left in this thread seem to be you and your brigade of .mls anyway, so I see little point in continuing to try reasoning with you.

god forbid we use the website we’re on, clearly anything opposed to you must be coordinated foreigners

then you’re not engaging in good faith.

you weren’t engaging in good faith from the start, you literally were calling all of us russian bots and hoping our ‘datacenter’ gets drone striked.

So no, I see right through that BS dissembling as it’s patently transparent.

you are just defending your preferred type of authoritarian regime and cannot comprehend when people supporting the lesser evil in a fucked up situation end up opposing you.

the original point that guy made wasn’t pro-russia, it was anti-unipolar dominance. it’s not even an uncommon anti-imperialist position and has nothing to do with defending whatever ‘the kremlin’ does.

you then jumped to calling him a russian for saying that ‘western democracy’ is a bourgeois dictatorship evolving into open fascism.

so in defense of your preferred hegemon you jump to dehumanizing him. you already have been by calling everyone on my server bots and making veiled wishes for users to get drone struck. you really seem incapable of self-reflection. certainly not beating the allegations about where ‘western democracy’ is headed with defenders like you.

not my fault if you’re only able to engage with caricatures. putin is someone lenin would have had shot.