Newly released Department of Justice documents show that investigators reviewing surveillance footage from the night of Jeffrey Epstein’s death observed an orange-colored shape moving up a staircase toward the isolated, locked tier where his cell was located at approximately 10:39 p.m. on Aug. 9, 2019.
That entry in an observation log of the video from the Metropolitan Correctional Center appears to suggest something previously unreported by authorities: “A flash of orange looks to be going up the L Tier stairs — could possibly be an inmate escorted up to that Tier.”
It also appears, according to an FBI memorandum, that reviews by investigators led to disparate conclusions by the FBI and those examining the same video from the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General.
The modern version of “Hitler definitely killed himself and didn’t escape to Argentina”
Dudes living his best life in tela vive.
The deleted two minutes was him being escorted out of the cell by Bill Barr and Mossad agents to go live back in Israel
Or a Mossad agent coming to execute him in his cell.
His fortnite account purchased a battlepass the month after he died. A rocketleague account with the same username has been active even more recently
What do you mean his fortnite account???
Edit: you mean this fortnite account? https://xcancel.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/2019819940753379740
He could’ve been sharing that account with a friend or family.
If someone had spotted him in Israel that’d be one thing, but activity on accounts is not great evidence on its own.
It was netandyahoo breaking his nasty out to take him back to Israel to play fortnite.
Everybody knows Epstein didn’t kill himself. But did he die at all? Or was he smuggled out?
There are post mortem pics of him in the Epstein files it seems.
There are post mortem pics of someone. Conspiracy theorists say the ears and nose are different
Can never rule out the christofacists being stupid on a completely unfathomable level but:
- Other documents have raised question over whether the ligature markings on his neck even match the noose he was found in. This strongly suggests a real-ish autopsy was conducted rather than a fake one. And, contrary to what Swordfish taught us, it is REALLY hard to make a body double that would stand up to that level of scrutiny
- epstein’s entire schtick was power and manipulation of some of the most influential people on the planet. He would not be quietly sitting in a hotel room in an embassy or whatever for years
- Much like with all the “trump stole the election” conspiracy theories, NOTHING has actually leaked out regarding this. Which violates the first rule of conspiracies.
- epstein was, allegedly, killed to silence him. And all the people who would be involved in a secret extraction to this level are the kind of people who would likely have wanted to silence epstein in the first place. Why keep him alive? ESPECIALLY if his legion of rapeable children aren’t around?
Odds are VERY good he was murdered. At most, one could maybe argue that he was spirited away only to be killed elsewhere so he wouldn’t talk. But at that point… why not just kill him in his cell?
I’ll also add on: epstein’s death is one of those focal points for this “scandal”. It is also the safest to manufacture easily refutable conspiracy over. So be very careful of over-fixating. I mean… just look at 9-11. All the idiots insist “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams!” and we all mock them for it. But it did a great job of distracting the public as a whole from questions of how preventable it was and who actually bankrolled it.
He’s definitely dead and likely died in prison at the hands of someone, probably an inmate or someone dressed to appear as an inmate.
It was a message to anyone exposed in this that not even a federal prison will keep someone safe from their reach. Probably why there’s so much due diligence around redacting the co-conspirators and less so on other reductions. If known, those individuals would be added to the same suicide list that Epstein was on after he was indicted and jailed.
Let’s face it. The rich and powerful we know are just the showmen who want the attention. There are just as likely very rich and powerful people who are also willing and able to remove threats at the mere hint of that threat, whether credible or not.
There are two theories beginning to appear everywhere right now: that Epstein worked for Russia and that Epstein is still alive. Both smell very much like deliberate attempts to muddy the waters and confuse people into giving up on the truth. We shouldn’t let ourselves be distracted. Epstein is almost certainly dead and probably worked for Mossad, perhaps with some freelance blackmail for others too. And the main issue now is to get the rest of the files released and unredact the names and crimes of the perpetrators whom Trump’s DOJ is determined to protect.
Don’t forget the billions of dollars that went missing on 9/11 that were never recovered and barely reported on.
WTC 7 held a SEC storage area that had the majority of the Enron documents in it. They were, of course, destroyed. What a happy coincidence.
What’s the first rule of conspiracies? What are the other ones?
The first rule is basically that the more people required to be involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that someone doesn’t eventually leak something.
I will note that this works for a lot of the more dubious ones, we never went to the moon, the earth is flat, etc.
But I will also note that any competent intelligence type agency compartmentalizes as much information as possible, so that very few people actually know enough to put together a ‘big’ story.
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The first rule is basically that the more people required to be involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that someone doesn’t eventually leak something.
Manhattan Project
Are you saying the Manhattan Project was leak free? If you are, that is wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Cohen_(spy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppenheimer_security_clearance_hearing#Chevalier_incident
No, just that it was a hundred and thirty thousand people and it still wasn’t known until they literally dropped an atomic bomb.
“Conspiracies can’t exist because there would be leaks” is just not a great argument. Of course in Demented Rapist Land conspiracies can be front page news and sweet fuckall would happen.
It wasn’t known to the general public.
… It was known to who the spies were leaking too.
Who then also largely kept it a secret.
This is a prime example of why I tried to list the sort of two… extreme edges of this ‘rule’.
The entire Epstein thing is basically very similar to the Manhattan project inasmuch as… a pretty good deal of people knew something, a good deal of people knew a lot.
But… most of those people were… pretty good at this compartmentalizion thing. Not to mention just actually members or clients of or directly connected to intelligence agencies.
Untill enough of them fucked up, harder and harder, at keeping things a secret.
I don’t see this as a kind of cut and dry fullproof rule.
I see it as a reasonable first pass heuristic.
Alright since you brought it up. My stance is that jet fuel CAN’T melt steel beams but they sure as hell can weaken them. However my own logic prevents me from accepting a bottom starting pancake collapse when the heat is at the top. Wouldn’t that have been a top-down pancake at the very least?
It collapsed at the point of impact where the steel weakened, then that crushed everything below it. The evidence is all over and has been for almost 25 years now. Just watch the videos.
Didn’t it start from the top down? It’s been 25 years but I watched it live and that’s what I remember seeing.
Who you’re going to believe? Some rando on lemmy or your lying eyes?
Well it has been a long time. I’d trust then more if I wasn’t relying on a long faded memory. Though admittedly a powerful one.
It didn’t start at the bottom, but once the section above started to move, weight+inertia would begin to cause failures all up and down the lower section, mostly at the top but certainly along other points, as all of them are now under more stress than they were ever designed to withstand.
At those levels of force, welds, rivets, hell the beams themselves were no match; and the longer it went on the faster it got, and the weaker the lower structure became, in a run-away effect.
The problem with these sorts of arguments is that they don’t apply to WTC7.
You make a destabilizing point…
What about:
The planes did the damage and they didn’t need to rig the towers with c4, but they ignored the plot when they learned about it a month before hand and only shot down the planes that were going to “important” places.
BUT WHAT ABOUT WTC 7
IDK if you’rejoning, but jet fuel can 100% melt steel beams. That’s basic physics
Jet engines themselves get to >3000F consistently, despite being actively cooled. More than enough to melt steel
Kerosene combustion releases a fixed amount of energy per unit of fuel. You can get it to an arbitrarily high tenperature if you want
I’m no expert by any means. Looking up briefly I see that jet turbines can get up to around 2000C/3500F give or take. Steel beam melting point is anywhere from 1375C+.
Fair enough.
But what about if jet fuel is not in a turbine? What if it’s simply burning?
A pool fire (spill/open liquid fire) of jet fuel burns between 800C-1100C. Not enough to melt a standard beam.
The other point was that the pancake of the building was from the bottom, not from the top, where the fire would be.
I want to know why money was moved from his estate to one of his accounts after his death and who withdrew that money/was using it for expenses. Fishy AF
I think his brother and/or his lawyer would have the power to do this. They wouldn’t even need to know his passwords.
Was this information about his bank transactions released in the Epstein files?
If he’d still be alive that would be the absolute cherry on top of this crap cake.
Even if he were smuggled out, he’s dead now
The rich and powerful want him dead so he can’t roll on them. Nirmak people want him dead because he’s a monster. No one in the world wanrs him still alive
Yeah, there’s no “he’s too valuable to die” in this. Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.
Nirmak people?
Normal but too fast
There is a current wild theory relating to his fortnite account circulating. People found his account name and receipts for vbucks in the most recent release. His account activity was allegedly active up until he was jailed, then a gap, and then activity again in 2024.
isnt it much more likely this acc was just hacked or otherwise used by someone else
Judging by the fact we have terrabytes of his files, I’m not sure if he had anything left to offer for his safety.
He thought his handlers had his back to release information when he died, but his handlers/confidants were connected to israeli intelligence, and they made a deal with them.
Maxwell must have her own people, or something that will release information after her death.
Whenever murky circumstances cause conspiracies, I like XKCDs approach.
What we see in that screenshot is an assassin hired by the elites, headed to make sure Epstein stays silent for good. With the cameras deactivated, it should’ve been a simple ordeal, but upon arrival it turned out he had already hung himself.
Ghislain was his handler. If anything she’d be in more danger. Wonder why she hasn’t been pushed out a window yet.
Guessing she simply was and is herself - fundamentally, permanently easier to “handle” (manipulate, etc.).
Behind the Bastards episodes on her father really tell a tale for how a ruined psyche like hers would (did) get started. (It’s a lotta episodes about not-her, to be clear, so don’t dive in with the wrong idea)
I’m not humanizing that ghoul though, just offering an explanation for why still alive. No matter what led her there, there is exactly zero rehabilitation or sympathy possible as far as I’m concerned.
She wanted to maintain her royal like lifestyle that her father provided to her, but he mysteriously died on his yacht and she needed a new sugar daddy, so Epstein became that to her. In exchange for giving her the lifestyle she wanted, she used her father’s connections with other wealthy people and Mossad to create a global pedophile network together with Epstein.
I’m actually going with the take that the pedo thing was just part of that, and that it was (and is)a global compromat network where having all the members be rich and involved in various horrendous crimes -with evidence - was the common feature that allows it be controlled and directed.
I’m sure there are some “friends” Epstein that aren’t horrible pedos, but probably only because they were involved in some other horrible thing he had dirt on them for
But she’s being controlled by the globalist ****** (substitute that for any slur. My choice is “Svenskefaen”), trying to distract us from big farma putting nutrients in our food.
No no no. What you are seeing is a would-be assassin, who was selected because he very closely resembled Epstein. Upon entering the cell, Epstein strangled the guy, and then made his escape. Currently he’s on the ISS building his trafficking empire for aliens after human adrenochrome.
an orange colored shape
Hmmmm…
All it took was an offer of “All the lasagne you can eat”.
That’s a very good point. Heathcliffe is far better armed.
Garfield is so funny someone should make a movie about him
I love Garfield and quote him all the time, “I detest the first day of the week.” I say.
So relatable.
Walking up the stairs. Nope.
Could you fucking imagine?!
He’d make a horrible assassin. The smell and crinkle of his diaper would give it away.
The smell knocks you out. Then he can try to strangle you with his tiny hands.
What are you suggesting? 🫲🍊🫱
I don’t really like conspiracy theories in general. But it the Panama Papers and Epstein files have taught me anything is that there are indeed a bunch of nefarious conspiracies going on.
MK Ultra is the stand out for me. I thought it was Hollywood fiction.
Faking the moon landing and flat eartherism are conspiracy theories.
Acknowledging that the global elite are depraved pedophiles who intentionally create catastrophes to profit off the chaos and misery, just means you accept reality.
If anything, the Epstein emails showed me that I wasn’t cynical enough… and I thought I was pretty cynical.
The annoying thing is conspiracy just means a multiple people orchestrating crimes together, conspiring with each other.
But the word conspiracy also means a fake conspiracy, which is a real “inflammable means flammable” type situation.
I’ve often heard that the delegitamizing of the idea of conspiracies is itself a conspiracy to get people to think conspiracies don’t happen, which I fully believe.
The cover up of the files is what a real conspiracy looks like. There is overwhelming evidence that powerful people are intentionally suppressing.
No need to make wild conspiracy theories when literally everything about this is a fucking conspiracy.
Seriously, though, there’s a key difference: Conspiracy theories require an ever-growing legion of circumstances and co-conspirators to make them work. Like for chemtrails. A secretive government plot to poison us with chemicals sprayed from airliners? Seems simple, but: Pilots have to be in on it. Airline mechanics have to be in on it. Chemical companies have to be in on it. There has to be a transport network and storage facilities, so truck drivers have to be in on it. The tanks have to be loaded onto aircraft, so airport workers have to be in on it. Et cetera.
Real conspiracies, by contrast, reduce down to simpler explanations. You can take moving parts away, and it still makes sense. Tax havens? Shell corporations? Corrupt prosecutors? Corrupt courts? Sex trafficking? Pedophiles? That’s lots of specifics that all point to one thing: Rich and powerful assholes doing rich and powerful asshole things because nobody can stop them.
Like for chemtrails. A secretive government plot to poison us with chemicals sprayed from airliners
The theories also get misrepresented. One could argue that Cloud seeding and other geo engineering proves the chemtrail theory to be correct.
Conspiracy theories are not inherently incorrect. Most of them are, but as proven by the Epstein files and others, some conspiracy theories are true. Just because there was an actual conspiracy doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a conspiracy theory.
Yup, I believe that’s what I said, with some thoughts on how to tell the difference.
I mean, if you can put an additive in the fuel that doesn’t burn up in the engine, you could do something like this. Only the oil companies need to know. Workers and mechanics can be told it’s something else, a stabilizer or something.
It’d have to be a simple element or a very strongly bonded molecule, which means its application would be extraordinarily limited. So no, it’s probably not useful enough to ever have been pursued.
Well, oil companies did put a poisonous additive in fuel for decades, but they did it right out in the open. They advertised it on gas station signs, and said it was for anti-knock purposes. They still put it in some general aviation fuel. Why should we presume they’d have to do it secretly?
They still do the additives they put in fuel are still toxic, there is poison in like everything we use. They put pfas on food packaging for god’s sake. There is pesticide on your food, in your food. They spray electronics with carcinogen, they impregnate furniture with carcinogenic flame retardants (that don’t work to slow fires,) and the list goes on.
It’s way worse than you think. They don’t have to make a grand secret conspiracy we all trust they wouldn’t do mass harm stuff and they do.
The NSA was indeed spying on Americans, that was a conspiracy. Plastic recycling is largely a scam, that was a conspiracy. Its generally accepted now that Covid-19 came from a chinese lab, that was a conspiracy. It is still very controversial with conflicting evidence on both sides.
As far as I’m aware the earth isn’t flat but some conspiracies do reflect the truth. The covid release may not have been intentional like some theories propose but its not impossible it came from a lab.
Edit: here is a link to Ken Lacorte’s research into the covid-19 lab theory and he tends to be well researched and trustworthy.
Ken Lacorte
The former…Fox News executive? Who killed the Trump-Stormy story before the 2016 election… uhhh… yeah im not fucking trusting that dude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_LaCorte#Alleged_Fox_News_Trump_cover-up
That document is laughable. In only the first few paragraphs, I ran across reliable indicators of pseudoscience scams, like asserting that there’s some “scientific establishment” that he’s up against. Not a very powerful mafia then, because there are tons of dipshits pushing the lab leak hypothesis. Then, there’s the Absence of Evidence Fallacy. (It is not evidence of absence.) That’s as far as I got.
Go ahead and call me closed-minded, but c’mon, Ken should put his best evidence up front. If he has it, which I doubt. Especially when the alternative explanation is so damn plausible: The Wuhan Institute for Virology was put in Wuhan to study the viruses in local wildlife because Chinese authorities recognized the potential for human transmission, and so they built a lab to study the viruses. And that’s why the lab would’ve had the virus in it. Maybe it did have a leak, and some infections came from there, but biological systems are messy and imprecise; the virus probably jumped to humans many, many times over many years, and set up the conditions for a pandemic.
Consider the HIV/AIDS epidemic in North America. We used to think that it all traced back to Patient 0, a flight attendant who liked to get busy around the world. Then, researchers found the virus in stored blood samples going back to the 1950’s. The virus had been in the human population for decades before blowing up.
Reality is often complex, without intuitively-clear lines of cause and effect. The abstract thinking needed to understand it is beyond many people, so they latch on to simple, obvious, and wrong explanations, like the lab leak theory.
propublica looked at the lab leak evidence and it is pretty likely that was it. The senate collected a lot of the information, which has better investigative powers than a news organization, but they got their hands on a lot of email from the wuhan and virology people and the national health and the like and the messaging all but said it got away from them there.
Indeed, it seems plausible. The background of my comment is that the lab-leak dipshits are the ones who push the idea with a subtext implying that the lab created the virus, or cultivated it for bioweapon purposes. But genetic studies show that it clearly came from wild animal populations, so I very strongly doubt the lab was the first and only introduction into the human population.
lab-leak dipshits are the ones who push the idea with a subtext implying that the lab created the virus, or cultivated it for bioweapon purposes.
The idea is not science fiction Leaked Grant Proposal Details High-Risk Coronavirus Research.
The question is whether or not this project (or something similar) was moved to China to avoid government oversight.
A lot of the loudest lab leakers were arguing in bad faith and just incidentally might have been right somewhat I think. The origin of the virus almost certainly was from the exotic animal trade, which remains an existential threat to health, as it brings endangered animals to extinction for cures that don’t work, and dredges up new viruses.
That said, we should leave well enough alone after we find these things. These gain of function tests of viruses are reckless even with proper lab security. The sad truth of the matter however, is that for military purposes we dig up these viruses and find ways to weaponize them for doomsday viruses, along with vaccines.
One would think we already have doomsday covered but it’s like collecting billions of dollars it’s never enough I guess.
I as well heard the lab leak proponents talking about proof it’s been weaponized, and read that’s incorrect, idk all the details I stopped following it after a while. But the lab leak people are out of their minds, a good share of them, the joe rogans of the group are cynical and delusional manipulators with an axe to grind to be sure. But we should use this as a wake up call to put more of a leash on bio weapons programs, even if the escaped virus here was not that, half the reason it was brought to the lab from some unfortunate pangolin in the first place was the desire for new bio weapons.
We aren’t in need of new doomsday weapons we have plenty already. And we need to focus more on lab security of all such projects, here in the US we have gotten lucky with communicable diseases escaping bio controlled facilities as well. People assume we run secure operations and it’s not necessarily true unfortunately.
Also consider that COVID-19 is just “SARS 2”, and we know that coronaviruses exist in nature already and this ain’t the first time one has mutated this way…Occam’s razor is that a lab wasn’t needed for this to happen.
We bungled the detection/response and it spread. Largely due to misinformation and inaction of authorities.
Simple as.
Alleged accusations. Its the reporters word against his. Maybe it was for trump, maybe the evidence wasn’t strong enough and Lacorte wanted to avoid a Trump lawsuit. You could argue that is a conspiracy in itself.
And discrediting the Ken Lacorte portion on my comment, the other 2 conspiracies are still valid. My point is we cannot dismiss information just because it is labeled as a conspiracy. For example, if trump rigs the midterms and wins, he will very likely call accusations of his rigging a “leftist conspiracy.” The truth is often somewhere between the conspiracy and the narrative.
Alleged accusations.
I’m not sure you know what that word means. Did the accusations happen or not?
The problem is that “conspiracy” has been diluted culturally to mean silly far-fetched ideas. Propaganda can have that effect.
Exactly. A conspiracy theory isn’t by definition wrong. It may or may not be wrong. However, our media and common parlance has made it so that many people believe that there’s no such thing as a real conspiracy.
Yes the NSA illegally spies on whoever they want, yes plastic recycling is a PR stunt by the plastics industry.
However no, the lab leak theory of covid 19 remains unsubstantiated nonsense pedalled mostly by china-hawks in the US who think we have a slightly better chance of winning if we start ww3 now.
Propublica did a thing on it and it convinced me.
Hasn’t it been proven that video footage isn’t even by his cell? And possibly not on the correct date either ?
Because the stair way is different than the photos posted of evidence.
And the area was partially repainted before the death and finished after. And the video shows the painting finished.
Wonder how they snuck this by Bari Weiss.
Can we agree that Epstein knew too much, and was silenced? Either by being suicided or by being smuggled out of prison, while leaving a stand-in dead guy with strangulation marks.
If can discard the Elvis theory, and agree that Epstein died in the cell, and that his death wasn’t voluntary, then maybe look at who else died. I mean, if you want to kill some high profile person, then you don’t want to be connected to that event. So you hire somebody, and then kill them afterwards.
Take Jack Ruby shooting Oswald, or the guy who shot at the audience next to Trump (sorry, but I don’t buy him missing with an ar15 at that range, I’m definitely not a great shot, but when I train at 200m I get 10/10 in center mass from a prone position). You don’t want to leave the shooter alive.
So look at who else croaked in the days following Epstein. Any guards missing? Fellow inmates?
His former roommate, a so-called ex-cop who already tried to kill him? Bill Barr?
Who cares? Does it really matter if he offed himself or if someone else did it? He deserved to die because he was a child predator protecting other child predators. There seems to be a lot of angst, mainly from men, about shit that doesn’t matter. He was evil. He abused women and girls. His friends abused women and girls. They should be behind bars at the very least. Everything else is non-productive noise.
I don’t think men on the internet say “Epstein didn’t kill himself” because they want justice for him. That meme was to drive home that he was likely killed to ensure his silence and protect guilty gov’t officials and multinational executives
Who cares? Yes he was evil. But there is a huge difference between him commiting suicide and him being murdered because of what he knew. The fact that you don’t think it should matter is quite telling.
Throwing this out there: What if he really did kill himself, partly as a way to get back at the people who let him take the fall, because he knew it’d look super sus?
He coulda just outed them all as pedos and not killed himself
Ahh yes. Giving them exactly what they want in order to spite them. Reminds me of Chuck Schumer.
