Putting Apple under disruption not tradition lol
What is this shit? I don’t recognize half of this garbage. How is terminal + text editor not an option?
That’s just the Emacs logo in the top-left. At least I assume Emacs has a terminal since there’s that old “Vim proverb” about Emacs being a “great OS, it just lacks a good editor.”
Well you could code vi in it.
Love that the Guix logo is included!
Uh, Linus Torvalds is a hypedev?
Btw, is this meme old?
I think there’s a healthy amount of bs in there (Chrome, C# as traditional?), but some of it checks out. I like a mix of old and new but try to stay away from proprietary. Current favorites are probably Emacs, NixOS, and Rust.
I have no idea😒
I use C#, GitHub and arch…
(I am replacing GitHub once my homelab server is set up though)
I was about to say C# seems to be in a weird spot here.
It’s entirely FOSS. It does of course have corporate daddy providing dev resources for it but it definitely is not anywhere near the location for proprietary as Java.
It should be well and truly on the same side of this graph as Rust.
On the other hand, if you try to run Java application on linux, you just use an appropriate OpenJDK runner.
When you see a C# app, you just:
- Open the app folder
- See a bunch of .dll’s
- Cry
I’m also replacing Github but I’m waiting for Forgejo to implement federation
Is that something that’s happening?
I started using git to track my dotfiles maybe one-ish years after I first fully adopted Linux as my daily driver… I think it’s been a little over 5 years and before I converted to nix that git history told a story of immense frustration of never being able to get my desktop and laptop to be identical. For some reason some projects only ran on one of the 2 machines. There was a period in my life when I didn’t use my desktop for 2 months because it just didn’t work well enough, OCD is really fucking painful. Nix saved my relationship with both of my computers, and my desk, and my spine. I haven’t used my laptop and maybe a month and I may have changed my workstation a couple hundred times in this period, I will with absolute confidence say that the next time I decide to use my laptop I can just run git pull and nixos rebuild and my laptop will be just the same as my desktop (minus obligatory build fixes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
NixOS answers that question I always had, “Do I have random residue from programs I uninstalled years ago lying around on my system?”, with a resounding “No”, and it feels amazing.
C++ is more traditional than C? 🤔
I think they just put them in quadrants with no attention to placement.
Javascript being disruptive technology is… A take for sure.
When your self driving car is written in react you’ll understand.
When your self driving car is written in react you’ll understand.
I’ll understand briefly, as my life flashes before my eyes? Haha.
Self driving cars? Think human interface on spaceships!
https://os-system.com/blog/javascript-in-space-spacex-devs-have-shared-crewdragons-tech-stack/
SpaceX
I’m sure Musk hand coded it in JS and then paid some underpaid dude who is only slightly less abused in the US instead of india to unfuck his dogshit.
Disrupting my low ram usage
8 frameworks and waiting for fingerprinting scripte to load just for the website to run at 1 frame every minute
Isn’t that more just website developers adding completely unnecessary shit that hog resources?
It always disrupted everything, and is getting only better on that with time.
It definitely is/was. Most user facing software these days is a web app, or native application using JS anyways. The event loop and async programming is also ubiquitous nowadays in most languages, especially server side.
But the most disruptive technology of all is Steve Jobs’s face.
The most disruptive proprietary one, yes.
Linus is down there too.
I mean from inception until now it has been a huge change in programming. Node changed a lot of things. Typescript changed a lot of things. React changed a lot of things.
A long way since GWT which google was doing because its java devs hated js
Exactly, disruptive does not have to be a good thing.
I’m guessing they started with the portraits and then built out a kind of mood board around them. Javascript is not disruptive in any good way, but people who like Javascript (and Apple and so on) might think they are.
well it was, a couple of decades ago at least
True, but so was Windows.
windows was more like 30-something years ago. 95 was the huge one afaik.
we could probably guess op’s age for some of his choices here tbh.
It was like 7 years ago with all the JavaScript frameworks flooding in around Node.js
Now it’s just kinda standard
Looking at how much of a reach some of the disruptive + proprietary stuff is… Yeah, there isn’t a lot of recent innovative proprietary stuff, is there?
Although I would put Chrome under “disruptive”. It absolutely was when it released decades ago, and even now it’s still changing the browser landscape.
A lot of the systems are quite stabilized. No need for a new OS, a new browser, a new language.
Even if the old stuff isn’t perfectly optimal, having to setup a fully-new ecosystem is so incredibly costly that it’s just not worth it.
That’s why you see new developments (e.g. Typescript or Kotlin) piggyback on older ecosystems (e.g. JavaScript or Java compatibility).
Typescript could have been better if it was a completely fresh development without being encumbered by the madness that is JavaScript. But without JavaScript compatibility and thus acces to the JS ecosystem, nobody would have switched to TS.
All these systems heavily benefit from network effects, which makes it hard to impossible for completely new systems to emerge.
This is doubly strong for consumer-facing software. Linux only became a viable mainstream option due to Wine/Proton/… allowing users to easily run Windows programs. Without Windows compatibility, Linux would still be at <1% desktop market share.
It’s also the same reason why everyone’s making chromium-based browsers: Because that way they all work the same.
Disruptive change happens when you get a completely fresh use case. Microsoft completely destroyed the likes of Commodore and IBM when home computers became something that everyone had in their homes.
Smartphones becoming mainstream allowed Google and Apple, who were both completely new to the mobile OS business, to win against established mobile OS companies, because nothing was entrenched in the late 2000s mobile OS landscape.
OpenAI, Anthropic, Midjourney and so on are wiping the floor with established software powerhouses in the AI space.
But after the disruption follows stabilization. A product that has reached market saturation will only be replaced by incremental, compatible improvements.
Chrome was disruptive.
Part of the reason for its disruption is that Chromium is open source (BSD licence), built on Webkit that was open source, which was built on khtml from the KDE project which was open source. That is how we got to Microsoft Edge also running on Chromium.
If it wasn’t for the monoculture aspect and the actions of some of the companies using it, khtml->Chromium would be a great open source success story.
Eh probably the LLMs should be taking up most of that corner.
Who is the guy in the top left?
Richard Stallman
Thanks. Thought it was Steve wozniak
No man, Woz has a completely different beard.
Cowards are too afraid to place vi anywhere on these axes…
You would need entire new compass to place vi, vim, neovim, lazyvim, spacevim, lunarvim and so on on it.
those are just neovim configurations it’s like saying each hyprland dotfile is a different compositor
It’s open source and traditional…
So you’re say remove emacs and replace it with vi? I agree!
Why not both
Hey, you can’t end a 40+ year war just like that. Do you want all those warriors to loose their occupation?
There is Neovim but yeah, not the same thing.
Vi is off the charts.
I’ve noticed that, too.
Ok, now … where does TempleOS and HolyC belong on this chart?
Maximum freedom, and somehow joining the maximum points on the tradition and disruption axes, forcefully bending the chart into some sort of cylinder
Eh, I wouldn’t say TempleOS is disruptive. It was literally started off as a modern-day C64 successor. So, tradition all the way.
Pasting objects into text files is pretty disruptive. The only other coding editor I know that can do that is DrRacket with images. I mean the guy invented an entire OS, C variant, several programs… all incompatible with traditional ones, simply because of his unique personal beliefs.
Pasting objects into text files is pretty disruptive
It’s still text with some formatting underneath, though, just like HTML. Actually, in HTML we already have it in form of
contenteditableattribute. You can straight up paste images and move other html elements into elements with it. I just checked, you can even do this with full on canvas elements and animated webgl views if you wanted to for some reason, though the code must be adjusted to account for it. I have yet to see it being useful and not a liability, though.
Hrm ok so your model is less of a defined space a point can exist in, and is instead a topology that a point must exist on.
*Sigh*. Fine, let’s introduce a z-axis specifically for Terry A. Davis.
So what you’re saying is that… he is either from, belongs to, or should be placed on…
… another plane of existence?
lololololollool
Dead center with God
Why would god be a middledev?
Ah, so your idea is that they exist at a location with an imaginary component, they exist in an unvisualized, complex plane?
teeheehee
How the fuck is C++ more traditional than C?
To me it looks like to position within each of quadrant want taken into account.
It really seems like the creator didn’t bother with spacing at all. Something that did consider spacing within quadrants wouldn’t have its items this closely packed together.
I think it’s not meant to be more traditional, the icon positions seem random and only the square they’re located is important.
Tradition++
C was incredibly disruptive 50 years ago.
