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    Agent Smith clarified that civilization progressed beyond 1999, but that it wasn’t human’s progress anymore.

    Agent Smith: “and I say ‘your’ civilization, because after we started thinking for you it became ‘our’ civilization.”

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    The machines did nothing wrong, it was mankind that caused Nuclear war. I would side with the machines in a heartbeat

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        That’s a completely different and largely irrelevant question to make.

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            A much more apt comparison, to begin with, would be between siding with humans or cows being used as food – because that’s what humans are to the machines, a way to stay alive. Second, humans have proved time and time again that they can’t be trusted, going as far as ruining the entire planet in fear of the machines – WHO WERE TRYING PEACEFUL NEGOTIATION, mind you. Thirdly, despite not really needing to do so, the machines chose to minimize human suffering, even in the horrible position forced upon them. Ideally, I’d want them to collonize other planets and abandon Earth, if possible, but otherwise I’d be fine with them having a crack as the dominant species over humans.

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    I still remember 1 Jan 2000. There did seem to be some sense of optimism about where things could go. At least for those of us lucky enough to live in stable, developed countries.

    Cold war over, Russia and The West seemingly on the same side, China opening up, exciting new tech connecting us but no toxic social media yet…

    But then… the dot com bust, 9/11, the GFC, toxic social media and the rise of “the algorithm”, Xi in China, Putin in Russia, a global pandemic…

    Didn’t really go where we hoped, can we restore to a backup from 1999 and try again??

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      Fun fact: Switch was originally supposed to be trans. Her name is still an indicator of it. I think she was supposed to be biologically a man in the real world, but biologically a woman in the matrix.

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        Aye. I could buy that. It was the last time it was social suicide to be an unironic nazi.

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      So in other words it was truly a peak of our civilization.

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    And people wrote articles like this. And it wasn’t even completely ridiculous. And I still believe the world would be very different today if GWB hadn’t “won” the election.

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      At least they were right about Java being bad.

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      Amazing how normal GWB seems after trump. Like i always thought GWB would always be remembered as the dumb president… but now i think he will be a forgotton one almost.

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      I tried to Google translate that Lao text, I think it says “Finance Steam.”

      Anyone know what they mean by that?

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      Actually, the Mayan calendar stated that 2012 is the start of a new epoch under their date system, it never said anything about the world ending. The claim that they predicted the world ending was based on nothing but “indigenous mysticism” by white people and Hollywood.

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        Actually, the Mayan calendar stated that 2012 is the start of a new epoch

        The end of The Fifth Age and the beginning of the Sixth Age, the reawakening of the great dragons, and the start of goblinization, and the return of magic to the world.

        You know, basic Shadowrun lore XD

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          Still waiting for the magic, not sure if I want a deck port in my brain given how many add I see on my phone.

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            You don’t need to wait for magic. You can just go train with some tibetan buddhists and you’ll have magic powers.

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        Given how the Mayans are usually portrayed as an ancient, vanished people, I was surprised to find out that if you want to know about Mayan beliefs you can just ask them. They’re the guys stood outside the archeological sites selling t-shirts.

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          The damn calendar was a circle.

          How damn hard was it to figure out?

          Also, completely hated by caledar companies - buy one calendar and it lasts forever.

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        Yeah but the world ending in 2012 had nothing to do with the Mayan calendar and everything to do with aliens destroying the moon and using it to end all life on Earth, just after scanning us all for re-creation in their matrix in the year 29000 AD

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      When the world was extra ridiculous over the past decade I would always tell my friends/family "the Mayans were right, the real world ended in 2012, and we have been living in a fucked up facsimile of it ever since purely for the amusement of the Mayan gods. They want to see how much they can turn up the “ridiculousness” dial on the simulation until the planet quite literally explodes

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      It’s good to find someone else who’s aware of this, and of our current state of existence.

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    Makes sense. Boomers were still young enough to be relevant. GenX was comfortable with their disposable income. And us millennials were in highschool.

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            Are these generational terms even used to describe people outside of America?

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              Definitely in other Western countries, at least. Only makes sense for those countries that had a post-WW2 baby boom though.

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              Right? It’s less messy to compare and complain by generation than by the material conditions. Which aren’t particularly the fault of a generation whom also had their own owning class, their own labor and union involvement, as well as different relations to international finance capital.

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                Yeah, I mean baby boomers are only called that because it was American soldiers returning from war and having a ton of babies. I have no idea what was going on in other countries, or of they experienced a boom too.

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            You may be a millennial in spirit, which is what really counts, but I don’t think most people typically consider people born after ~1995 millennials. Being shaped by the years 2000-2010 I always felt was the defining factor, with all that happened technologically and socially.

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    Oh we definitely peaked in the 90’s. Save for a few significant victories for the LGBTQ+ and people of color…we were far better off two decades ago.

    Especially regarding music.

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    I’m afraid the human race won’t live long enough to reach “peak civilization” as that would mean that the successful ones take everyone else along with them to the top. That isn’t likely to happen before the successful ones take us all down to extinction.

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    I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is what this is all about.

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    I think the best time was the 60s, 70s and 80s…people were free.

    But yeah, seems it constantly gets worse to live on this planet. Even though we have better tech now, it feels like people are very powerless.

    We don’t optimize for human happiness, we optimize for maximum profits.