• taiphlosion@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      31·
      7 months ago

      We need to gatekeep our language more imo, I know it’s hard cause the internet gives people free access to our culture but I’m tired of this shit

      • CoolerOpposide [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        24·
        7 months ago

        Tiktok has been such a facilitator it’s unbelievable. Within a week or two a word I’ve never heard a single white person use will be a part of the average genZer’s/genAlpha’s lexicon. Plus they will then be called “meme words” 💀

        I do not really care but something will always be uncomfortable about a 13 year old white kid saying rizz and gyatt in every other sentence.

        • taiphlosion@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          18·
          7 months ago

          gyatt

          God I fucking hate this term so much it’s not even a word it’s just onomatopoeia 💀 we already have plenty of terms for ass/booty/cake

          Language evolves and changes and I’m aware things change between generations but like damn man this feels like a complete regression. I blame capitalism

        • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          9·
          7 months ago

          It really is weird hearing American suburban white kids on TikTok talking like the inner city kids I went to school with when I lived in the US. It’s really irritating to hear black slang referred to as “gen Z slang”

          • taiphlosion@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            Gen Z didn’t even come up with most of it, it was Black Millennials 🙄 funny how they spent the last decade attributing everything to us yet can’t seem to give credit where it’s due

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        8·
        7 months ago

        Can’t wait for South African sayings to hit the streets of the Western world eventually lol. It’s all over TikTok. Some cringe 16 year old named Kyle in the Midwest telling someone to voetsek lol. Or some kid going haibo instead of wtf. Or some kid trying to be sassy typing out mxm without knowing what it means or how to pronounce it. Some mom or dad saying eish wena.

        • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]@hexbear.netEnglish
          7·
          7 months ago

          A random side note is that I once coined sjoe as a gender-neutral pronoun for one of my conlangs — more specifically ⟨sjoe⟩ is one of the two standard ways of romanizing this word, but it’s the romanization that I use by far the most often because it’s ASCII friendly.

          To quickly explain the etymology of the pronoun sjoe: it comes from sj- (root for 3S pronouns) + -oe (standard gender-neutral equivalent to -a / -e). I can go in more depth but I don’t think that’s necessary, you get the picture.

          Anyways, after getting comfortable with using the word sjoe in my conlang, I even started sometimes using sjoe in English when referring to third-gender or non-binary characters from my conworld — I justified this practice by saying that the word sjoe was to many of these characters essentially a sacred and untranslatable mark of respect. And then when I started getting comfortable with using sjoe in English for fictional characters, I even started considering using sjoe for myself, because I’d already coined the word and I liked the sound of it and it’s my conlang so I can do whatever the heck I please with it.

          …And then one day I decided to look up “sjoe” on Wiktionary on a whim, just to see if this word happened by some off chance to coincidentally also be a real word used in any natural languages.

          …

          …Alright so it turns out that South Africans, through some bizarre twist of fate, apparently use sjoe as an interjection. Which means that South Africans — although the sjoe of my conlang is etymologically unrelated and not pronounced the same as the interjection sjoe — probably would’ve read the things I’d written about my conworld’s characters as something like, “Phew! castrated whoo!-self as a teenager and became a choir singer, but due to rejection from whew!'s family ended up running away; sheesh! ended up finding a powerful sentient shield in a forest built by an ancient civilization, and with this shield wow! came to uncover all the secrets and conspiracies of yeesh!'s world…”

          I ultimately decided against using sjoe for myself.

        • taiphlosion@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          5·
          7 months ago

          I can’t imagine how other cultures might feel, like English already directly steals from other languages and claims it for itself

          Can’t tell you how many times I’ve cringed cause people can’t pronounce karaoke correctly

          “Carry-okey” 🙄

          • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]@hexbear.netEnglish
            5·
            7 months ago

            I honestly don’t mind people saying things like “carry-okey”. I am 100% capable of saying カラオケ with a flawless heiban pitch accent, with vowel and consonant qualities that would totally shock natives and make them do triple backflips out of excitement… But I’m also not going to just say “I was home alone so I did some カラ____オ____ケ____ to my favorite songs while no-one could hear me.” — the pronunciation of “karaoke” going to be anglicized in one way or another, and English does indeed have a limited set of phonemes and some number of phonotactic restrictions and so forth. Relevant for “carry-okey” is diaeresis and the checked vs free vowels.

            Ultimately I don’t think that “carry-okey” is any more “criminal” a pronunciation than Japanese people themselves saying, well, kara-ōkesʉtora — the Japanese tendency to epenthesize extra vowels in loan words to satisfy that language’s phonotactic restrictions is literally optimality theory 101 type stuff. But we place higher expectations on Americans to say things “correctly” basically just because they’re Americans: this judgment is divorced from all that boring academic linguistics stuff, and is more just about preconceptions and prejudices and engaging in the social activity of dunking on how dumb Americans are…

            …I dunno, I grew up speaking two languages myself, English and Norwegian. I’m already very used to Americanizing my own name and place names in my local area and things like that, to my relatives who only speak English, as well as Norwegianizing the names of relatives and place names in the United States. My mom actually argues with me on occasion that I Americanize my surname “the wrong way”, because her pronunciation of our surname tries to approximate the original Norwegian pronunciation as much as possible, whereas my pronunciation is a lot more orthographic and “casual”. And I just tell mom when that topic comes up that I’m the one of us two who actually speaks Norwegian as a first language, so if I want to use a diphthong where she uses a monophthong or a schwa where she uses a long vowel, just because I think that sounds better, then that’s my prerogative: it doesn’t come from me being unable to pronounce my own surname in its original language, obviously, and it’s not a matter of dumbing it down for foreigners, either, it simply sounds better to me and that’s all there is to it… Well, “all there is to it”, I do think that there is some underlying baggage about things like language politics or national identity that underpins the whole “how do we say our own surname?” debate, when it’s between an immigrant and an immigrant’s child.

            But regardless, this doesn’t mean that I don’t also cringe at the ways other Anglophones say a lot of Norwegian place names, or for that matter how other Norwegians say a lot of English loanwords, and in these situations I’ll think, “They should use my pronunciation instead! Mine is way better!”… But ultimately I know that this is all very silly, right? Because I know from experience how awkward it can be to try to convert a word from one sound system to another, and I’m sure that this goes doubly for those who grew up monolingual. So the ways in which other people try to adapt a word or name into another language isn’t of any less value, fundamentally, it’s just… different from what I personally would’ve done. My pronunciations are just one approach among many possibilities.

            The one who can make peace with this fact should make peace with it.

      • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]@hexbear.netEnglish
        13·
        7 months ago

        With each passing deyn I ensk more and more yet that the ol’ crackers or cumskins as they’re nazzyvated would bookstaffly just start goverating a-thing fairly more bliege to Nadsat, instead for co-opting AAVE all the time. For such a wretch to be Nadsat on-the-torch-like is by all means nay-noozhna, but for her to take a fair old breathe-in from Nadsat we’d doomate to be… well, top class in bigging a viss fargher-richness in a-bod’s wretch nor: that Sammy Jay fargher-richness that the belly skinned chloveks spittle for each a tide they eucharist what they viddy as “Black slang”, bezz respetaw for the Black cultura; for them belly-skinned yarrows the eucharist of Black cultura is the bliegiest on them to any form of cultura, aft their alienation from their own culturas at the rookies of AmeriKKKan assimilationism, and them yarrows are so accustomed to simply being passive consumers that to bigg their own cultura is simply not a mewlyhood that they ache to consider.

        And such is the mitch of the sitch: lawt colonizers fill the voids in their jinnzies with eucharisted cultura, the cultura is made cal for her originators, and with that, bezz the originators’ fondness, the cultura loses her iskers for the colonizers, such that they spittle to eucharist yet more cultura, yissho ross and yissho ross still — it’s all some pipettes to behold nor! And coneche those faw hwa some myself probavate etaoing novy slovies inup leeding all tazy.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    29·
    7 months ago

    a friendly reminder that wisconsin has two of the most segregated cities in amerikkka. milwaukee has the worst de facto segregation. the county madison is in has the greatest racial disparity in education and i think for children in general.

  • Othello [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    28·
    7 months ago

    i figured he was after he defended the rich men north of Richmon song as being 95% about the plight of the working class, interviewing the singer, and called it a revolutionary song for the American masses ect ect.

  • combat_brandonism [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    23·
    7 months ago

    Lmao the blurb of one of their board members seems pretty fucking woke to me:

    Calla Winchell is trained as a writer, researcher and a reader having earned a BA in English from Johns Hopkins University and her Masters of Humanities from the University of Chicago. She currently lives in Denver on Arapahoe land. She is a committed Marxist with a deep interest in disability and racial justice, philosophy, literature and art.

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    23·
    7 months ago

    I don’t think this has to mean patsoc, it can also just mean brainwormed anti-lgbt toolbag but left in every other regard. Patsoc specifically requires that national patriotism bullshit.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        7·
        7 months ago

        This is like 80% of the british communists so I’m sorta used to it. The thing is that I want to fix these people as their only mistake is primarily patriarchyt and lgbt issues whereas the patsocs I see as unfixables who really aren’t ideologically leftwing at all.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        3·
        7 months ago

        Our south american, african and asian comrades are not nazbols despite their very frequent anti lgbt positions. They’re communists that are reactionary on one topic, it’s completely different to nazbol though. CPB aren’t nazbol they’re communists with terf brainworms. It doesn’t expand into the nationalist, genuinely-antisemitic and racial areas that nazbols do.

  • 中国共产党万岁@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    17·
    7 months ago

    I actually realized today I had met of the authors who writes for midwestern marx around 2015 when he was a very regular white frat boy at a very stereotypical fraternity. I’m sure they changed a lot in 10 years, but I think the background helps me understand the type of person PatSoc ideology would appeal to: progressive lib politics, religious, and white.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      17·
      7 months ago

      It’s starting to circle around two definitions.

      One is the assumption that leftists want to force people’s sexualities to change so no one is allowed to like blonde, white cis women with large breasts. Instead wokeness is said to promote black, trans, Latina, overweight women into the status of sexually desirable at the expense of white cis people somehow. As in, it’s woke to have a black or trans model on the cover of a magazine.

      The other definition is just anything conservatives don’t like. Mostly it refers to saying black people are mistreated or that trans people exist. So it’s woke to teach a class about American chattel slavery.

      • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        7·
        7 months ago

        Nah they like black women and especially Latinas as long as they stay as sexy sexpots and nothing more. It’s when you make those black and Latina women overweight and lgbt, hence the meme of “they’re going to replace her with a black trans lesbian with autism”