• FluidBeef@quokk.au
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    2 days ago

    It’s amazing how just putting on some glasses gives the appearance of doubling the digits in her IQ.

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      4 days ago

      But if you reverse the genders and make the same joke would this be sexism?

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            Men dont get treated like their aesthetic value is their entire worth. Men tend to get treated like the worth of what they can provide is their worth

            Both are gross and ways that people suffer under patriarchy, but women being reduced to their aesthetic worth, or demeaned for wearing makeup when they’re subjected to compulsory expectations of attractiveness are distinctly ways in which women specifically are harmed under patriarchy

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              Yeah no. Just try being short as a man. You objectively have it way harder when it comes to dating. Imagine being reduced completely to your height alone.

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                I would argue, figuratively, not being tall as a man, may have the same effect as not being conventionally attractive has as a woman.

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                I may be queer where the culture is different, but I’m 5’5".

                I’m aware of the ways that men can still harshly graded for their appearance. I think my statement stands. And frankly, to me men being expected to be tall feels like an extension of the idea their value is what they can provide.

                There are other parts to the way men are related to or valued. But compulsory performance of attractiveness is not the same for men as it is for women. I have a messy relationship with gender and have walked on both sides of the fence and know a lot of trans folks who have also.

                People are cruel to women that fail to adequately perform attractiveness. Even ones they’re not in any way involved with or connected to.

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            I don’t think you understand, men can’t have any social issues at all.

            women can’t share the spotlight, after all.

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      yes it should be multiplicative

      | ____  | No glasses | Glasses |
      |-------|-----|------------|
      | No makeup |   |    |
      | Makeup    |   |    |
      

      looks like Lemmy doesn’t support markdown tables. Or maybe it’s my client

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    Disregarding the comment about meds, people are really weird about glasses. Yeah, your face looks kinda different with or without, but it’s not that extreme. Is the general population really so face blind that they can’t look through a simple accessory? Are they confused when people with hats take them off?

    A platypus!?

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      depends on the face and the glasses. some people it makes zero difference. others it’s like night and day.

      it’s all about the SHAPES. there is a whole science behind facial shapes and how they can be altered by accessories or makeup

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      I would say the strength of the prescription can make a big difference. Stronger glasses can have a magnifying effect that changes how the eyes look significantly so they look like a different person without them.

      The woman in the photo doesn’t seem to have that effect going on though. I would bet those are either fake glasses for fashion, or a very light correction.

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      Execuse my dumdum but what part implies that? Is it the meds part??? Why is taking meds bad if so, idk what it implies, like bipolarity or schizophrenia or what???

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        The meme implies she has multiple personalities. Having dissociative identity disorder (the condition that causes multiple personalities) is not a bad thing, but it is heavily stigmatized, and there is a very VERY long history of dismissing and degrading women on the basis that they’re “less mentally stable”, which mental health conditions can do, and carry the stigma of doing.

        Hysteria was once a medical diagnosis given to women for “being to emotional and crazy”, and the vibrator was invented by a doctor as a medical device intended as a treatment for hysteria. The entire origins of mental health as a field is rooted in “treating” women. And there is still today a patten of people dismissing women by calling them crazy (eg “my ex was crazy”), and a chronic problem in healthcare where women’s health issues are not taken seriously and providers treat woman patients as if they’re imagining things.

        Its a very familiar narrative but its one that has been used to do a lot of harm to women, and so using it in a meme where you’re also criticizing women for wearing makeup (a product of the way women are expected to compulsorily perform attractiveness) reads as sexist

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          I did think about DID but doscarded it because I don’t think there are any meds for that? I mean probably for stuff closely related but mean like people don’t really take meds to make the personalities disappear from my undestanding, some people go to therapy to “merge” those personalities from what I know like if they want to.

          I’ve heard about the doctor stuff yea, and that all makes sense.

          Also how is it criticizing women for wearing makeup? From my understanding I think it just says she looks different? Unless it implies some uh idk that she is ugly on one side (of wearing or not makeup)??? I honestly don’t see the difference between the glasses and the makeup one. If you take a negative interpretation I feel both would be really bad in different ways anyway. Unless I am interpreting something incorrectly.

          • Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zipBanned from community
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            Yes, I don’t think the person on twitter understands or cares about that with respect to whether DID involves meds

            I only read it as criticism of women for wearing makeup because its an extremely common line of joke where the butt of the joke is generally that women are dishonest about how they look because their makeup changes their appearance. Sometimes the negativity is explicit, sometimes it is implied. And that generally makes me uncomfortable with people joking about that kind of thing. Whereas glasses giving you a different appearance never gets wielded to attack women.

            Were the elements that could be interpreted uncharitably not all combined here (joking about both makeup and also mental illness), and were the context an individual scale interaction rather than the interaction being turned into a meme for mass appeal at scale I might be inclined to interpret more charitably. But the former makes it feel more malicious and the later makes it feel more important that it not be harmful.

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                Theres always more than one way of interpreting things even if this is something I feel very strongly about, but I appreciate you listening to mine :)

                What a beautiful cat!!

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          What dictionary do you use to define shitposting?

          This ticks every box required.

          Is it not offensive, trollish, low effort etc?

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        If your idea of a shitpost is the same shit your grandpa would post on Facebook immediately after trying to use the status box as a search bar that makes me sad for you

        Maybe we can do unironic minion memes about drinking too much wine next

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          “My” idea of a shitpost? I don’t self define the meaning of words and phrases…

          Use any reputable on or off line resource that defines shitposting and then chime back with a cohesive argumente as to why this isn’t, apparently, a shitpost.

          Double dare you.

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            My point isnt about whether its a shitpost, thats what your point is about.

            Mine is that shitposting by literally just posting marginal sexist boomer memes is dumb and theres literally no joy in that. Its a sad and lame way to shitpost. The joy in shitposting is the absurdity. This isnt even a bad enough to be enjoyable for it’s absurdly bad quality. This belongs next to your wine-mom aunt talking about how much she wants to drink wine, displayed as text over an ai generated minion

            Theres no irony in it. Theres not playfulness in it. Its just a meme that circlejerks about how much the poster thinks “woman bad”. My grandpa with shitty takes on the world would unironically enjoy this meme.

            • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works
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              Whilst I mostly enjoy the more absurd / surreal / dadist qualities of posts the same as you do I still really admire some of these cat amongst the pigeons or spanner in the works type posts. Their ability to be taken at face value makes me laugh.

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                Not the one who downvoted you, using down votes for people engaging with you sincerely always seems shitty to me-

                I can’t say I relate to the humor you see in it, but I’m glad at least someone is enjoying it in some fashion. I just dont exactly get the impression everyone is upvoting because as an ironic shitpost- It validates a lot of shitty preconceived notions people have that do real harm, and casual sexism is probably the most unpleasant thing exported here from reddit when people moved over (which, this is a direct automated cross post from reddit. The account just automates posting reddit memes)

                In my mind its hard to give something a pass if its both gross and preys on internalized harmful stereotypes or heirachies AND seems deeply unfunny. If I wanted Facebook memes making fun of women I feel like I’d go literally anywhere else on the internet. It doesnt feel tongue in cheek to me if its just the actual crappy sexist memes from actually sexist parts of the internet.

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                  I don’t really look at votes - we’re all disparate netizens with our own ideas. Pluses and minuses ain’t no thing.

                  Outside of the context of this specific community everything you say is completely valid and, probably, quite true.

                  I’ll concede that this veers quite close to ragebait but ultimately fails that test; in my opinion.

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              You can always make your own shitposting community where all posts have adhere to your personal sense of humour.

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                Or I can just say I think sexist jokes that aren’t even funny kinda suck.

                I’ll yuck other people’s sexist boomerhumor yum all I want, thanks.

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                  You are right, being a whiny bitch is indeed allowed.

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      (Disregard if this is sarcastic and you’re mocking the “haha women bad” sentiment. Reading sarcasm over the internet is hard.)

      If this is unironic and not satire please either leave, or find it within you to do some growing as a person. Either way, the folks you’re currently in community with here dont deserve to be subjected to this shit. It’s gross.

      Unironic “haha women bad” may be welcome on other parts of the internet but it’s not welcome here. You share this space with women, and they’re much more worthwhile online social partners than you are at present

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        Yes, I was making fun of the sentiment of this meme. I hoped the extra emojis would sell it but I guess not!

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          Lol, totally fair. Sadly there are folks in the comments butthurt at me for pointing out sexism, so its hard to tell when its poking fun at the sexism of it, or participating 🥲

          Hope you have a lovely day! ☺️

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          So you thought that dressing sexism up in some fun emojis would make it okay? You’re just going to mask your misogyny in funny emojis to make it palatable? You’re either dumb or a troll and I can’t tell which.

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            They were making fun of the sexism. Satirizing how dumb and sexist the meme is isnt the same thing as participating

            They’re saying they were hoping the emojis would make clear their comment was making fun of the meme and how sexist it is, rather than a sincere comment