It’s not a topic people here care to discuss much, wary of feeding Russian propaganda.
But the latest National Police Service report recorded more than 600 assaults on recruitment officers to date and warned that the aggression has become “increasingly threatening”.
The first big alert came in April when several recruiters were stabbed, one fatally. Then this month in Lviv, some 200 protesters surrounded officers attempting to detain a suspected draft dodger and smashed and overturned their car.
The riot made headlines as President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned violence against serving soldiers.
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This is what happens when you have a brutal war going on without the curtain of media propaganda to hide the reality of what is happening and what will likely happen to you if you go. I don’t think the Russian recruits have quite the same clarity into just how the war is going.
I don’t think anyone really does. If they did, proper war journalists wouldn’t exist. No sane person would stick their necks out like that if they understood the gory details.
As to the “curtain of media propaganda”, we’re all suffocating in it. That’s part of what has dragged the conflict out for as long as it has. Everyone’s fed this false narrative that the other side is on the brink of internal collapse. Russians get deluged with media about their glorious impeding victories, with every European economic hiccup or American military stumble presented as a final desperate gasp. Westerners are inundated with “Putin on death’s door! Russians out of toiletpaper, insurgency imminent! Ukraine scores critical war-defining victory with latest long-range strike!” news updates, suggesting just one more big push will crack the entire Russian socio-economic system like an egg.
This, combined with any hint of diplomatic resolution squashed under a wave of “You can’t trust their government! Only total victory will assure your safety!”
And so we’ve got this systematic terror bombing all the way from the Polish border to the Serbian wilderness, with people convinced the end of the war is just around the corner for year after year after year.
Iran’s conflict with the US is shaping up the same way. We scream bloody murder while we’re firing off another volley of cruise missiles, then publicly announce “Peace negotiations imminent” while our batteries reload.
Had a friend working for a Russian family in Russia for a few years since the thing started. They are in dubai now with the same family and the lot of them are really shocked as to the meat grinder the war has become. It really seems that most Russians think this is a manpower intensive occupation with some occasional violence. These are reasonably well off Moscow people who didn’t seem to understand that this war is more like world war 1 than like Afghanistan.
It really seems that most Russians think this is a manpower intensive occupation with some occasional violence.
Well, the first part is kinda true. The second is wildly off.
These are reasonably well-off Moscow people who didn’t seem to understand that this war is more like world war 1 than like Afghanistan.
I’ve heard more than a few of the big advances described as Battle of the Somme, especially with regards to how the reporting diverged from the reality on the ground.
my neighbors are refugees from Ukraine. More power to the fight and all that but they also happen to be pieces of shit. i wonder if the 3 boys they have, between 18 and iirc 21 are gonna get pulled back home to fight? does that happen from places like the US?
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like … my neighbors may be dicks but i sure as shit hope they don’t get yoinked back to fight if they don’t want to.
What in the world.
like … my neighbors may be dicks but i sure as shit hope they don’t get yoinked back to fight if they don’t want to.
Honestly? Fair enough. When shits fucked people gonna get violent. I don’t see any meaningful solution unless the war ends. Zelensky and Putin both can’t afford not to drive conscription and the people’s of both lands have a right to resist that.
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This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
Yall are so fucked in the head giving anything to Russia.
It’s either that or more death and destruction. Easy to choose that behind a warm laptop screen.
Then the war will continue. Remember ‘Everyone’s afraid to die.’
Here’s what you propose to a rapist while they’re raping: stop or die
Ukraine has open enlistment.
Get out there and kill some rapists.
Suppose that you have no means of killing the rapist. The only choice would be to find a way to get him to stop.
The only other* way to get them to stop is to let them finish
E: I condone fighting back against rapists, but I also understand why people might not fight back
Both sides are exhausted. It’s time to reach a negotiated settlement.
Yes, and the negotiation is that russia fucks back off to its pre 2014 borders.
You have pasted that comment into eleven different discussions.
Yes, don’t you think there could be new subscribers who have never read my proposal?
I was going to say have you got any traction? Part of the resistance may be because they are viewing this as an appeasement.
No, Russia would have to withdraw from all land it seized after the 2022 invasion.
So they’re just supposed to give up Crimea and there are no security guarantees from Russia at all, a country and government famous for breaking agreements when it suits them. Allows Russia to rebuild its military and attack again. From Crimea even.
I would assume being allowed into the European alliance would be a security guarantee from the rest of the countries in the EU. Russian security guarantees aren’t worth anything anyway.
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The security guarantee would be the European Alliance which Ukraine would be permitted to join.
NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance.
The US is never going to allow that to happen.
You just have to propose it as though it was trumps idea, and distract him from
readingwatching anything about it before it’s signed.Trump is already threatening to leave NATO.
Every TACO Tuesday, sure. He’s also threatened to leave the UN, withdraw from NAFTA, and pull out of the ICC.
Minor correction, the US has never been a party to the ICC.
If dissolving NATO means peace, I’m sure he’ll agree otherwise, he better increase his support for Ukraine.
Very easy to forget that the original, explicit purpose of NATO as an organizational entity was to prevent the state of Germany from reconstituting itself as a central European military power. The organization was co-opted by Truman and Eisenhower as a weapon of the Cold War. And its senior staff was jam packed with ex-Nazi commanders, dooming the vision of Pax Europa for another forty years. But it still ultimately served that purpose - keeping European powers from re-arming in any meaningful capacity, while the US gobbled up what remained of western colonial outposts.
A dissolved NATO, along with a financially prosperous EU, would put Germany back in the driver’s seat again. In the short term, that might not mean much. But with the Russian economy burning out and the Ukrainian states hollowing out, you’re talking about an enormous landmass ripe for re-colonization in a way the 1930s fascists could have only dreamed.
What fascists are currently in control in Europe?
living in Russia is preferable to dying on a landmine, who can blame them.
This story is about Ukrainian soldiers though.
Yes, and if they lose the war, they will be living in Russia
Finally something working-class Russian and Ukrainian soldiers can agree on
But doesnt that make workers struggle inherently favor aggressors?
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I love when the dipshits out themselves like this
…as communists? I’m sorry I thought lemmy was mostly actual leftists, there seems to be more liberals LARPing as leftists than anticipated…
Liberals larping as leftists? Communists?
Man you extremists are brutal.
You leave absolutely no space for nuance.
.ml
Yea seems about right
The pro-ruzzian propaganda is dialed up big time lately.
It correlates positively with just how POUNDED ruzzia is getting, what with the multiple massive wild berry warehouses targeted and their refineries on fire lol
I rewatch that major arms stockpile vaporizing once a month. The one that cracked the truck windshield from kms away
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Sounds like Eastoid propaganda.
I honestly couldn’t say how the war is going. My feed is full of two opposite realities. Can’t know anything for sure anymore.
What does my chosen server have to do with anything?
They have the dumbest shit lmfao
What’s it like waking up every morning with the most dog-shit takes imaginable?
My 85 year old mom has a somewhat similar view, that NATO is really responsible for the war. She’s a long time USian antiwar activist - but maybe more importantly has been watching RT news.
Based mom
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Get out of here with that Russian propaganda.
This is just the same thing that happens with every country that has conscripted military service during a war. Even a war where you’re defending your own home.
Some people will drag their feet. Some people are staunch pacifists, some people are afraid, etc.
“Russian propaganda” is just on the ground reality free of Westoid narratives
Lemmy instance checks out.
More likely, it’s the same self-preservation instinct their Russian peers are experiencing when recruiters come calling on the east side of the front line.
Ukrainians and Russians had far more in common than in opposition. It took decades of depravation and tens of thousands of hours of warmongering propaganda to splinter them apart. Now they’re being feasted on by the oligarchs and their war machines as the territory is depopulated for the next generation of settler colonialists.
Awfully cynical, but seemingly accurate. The wealthy create the wars to profit and make it everyone else’s problem. The people honestly don’t want to fight the equivalent of their brothers and sisters. The Russia government is ridiculously coercive though and their propaganda has been effective enough to convince people so far. It really is bizarre.
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the us installed proxy war where dickfingers told Zelenski he doesn’t have the cards, humiliated him and has tried at every opportunity to get out of, to the point where the us gov does practically nothing these days except sell patriots? something europe is desperate to replace?
that us proxy war? the one they want nothing to do with?
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