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TIL Wonder Woman is part of the IDF
What is the rope of truth holding on too?? Compel me now!!!
Kal El, no!
kal-el no? thats probably her best line. she probably got nepo her way into hollywood, her acting is bad as the rock, and rock has his political leanings quite questionable too. probably shoe-horned into hollywood as a cheerleader back home.
I was pretty disgusted with the first movie she was in. The original wonder woman movie.
She was this super powered killing machine just WASTING humans left and right. Just seemed insanely fucked up.
There’s a scene in one of the DC movies where a german sniper is hiding ontop of a church in a french village
Ever the pillar of restraint and decorum, Wonder Woman takes down the entire fucking church to kill this one soldier.
It’s a scene so over the top with needless destruction of a beautiful historical landmark, and you wonder what the filmmakers were trying to say with it.
This is pretty silly. Superhero movies constantly feature superheroes and supervillains causing mass property damage. Superman will be thrown through buildings. Cars will be used as throwing weapons, etc.
It’s a deliberate cinematic choice. Superheroes just flying in the sky punching each other doesn’t convey the power involved in these characters. No, if you want to portray superheroes in a way that actually feels real to people, you need to show them interacting with our ordinary world. You show them treating things we experience as solid, indestructible, and immobile as mere tissue paper.
This is just “show, don’t tell.” Sure, you could have some character verbally explain that “Superman has the strength of a million men!”, but if all you saw was Superman fighting in a cloud or an empty field, that wouldn’t really mean much. You can’t feel it. Watch Superman casually pick up a skyscraper, and suddenly your mind can actually grasp the scale of his power.
I hear you whilst defending superman in the sense that, he’s either chucked through a populated building against his will to highlight the monstrosity of his assailants, or he chucks buildings with the implication that they’re empty.
In this WW scene, it’s shown to be a populated church. It just rings odd for me w.r.t to these unwritten rules of hollywood destruction that Im hyperfixated on
Christopher Reeves’s Superman was quite upstanding tbh.
Also the Actor was quite upstanding on it’s own right, he did a lot of activism for my country (chile) to be free, he fought against Pinochet in multiple occasions, like when the regime death threatened the actors guild, he came here so all the worlds eyes would point here and shield them, and he also gave his endorsement to the Chilean democratic opposition who ended up defeating Pinochet and bringing democracy back.
In a sence, Superman defeated Pinochet and brought democracy back to chile.
He was awarded the highest honour the Chilean govt can award a few years before his death.
Populated by a soldier, in a war zone. This wasn’t a puppy and kitten caretaker nunnery on cute orphans visiting day.
she’s an immortal goddess, who shouldn’t relish in the destruction of mortals who were handed a gun at a young age and pushed to a front line for a creed they likely don’t give two actual shits about
she’s an immortal goddess
Something she didn’t know at the time. Also, rather a lot of her training was in how to wage war.
Hollywood is fully integrated into the military-industrial complex. Inflicting disproportional damage on the population of whoever the enemy is is how The Great US Empire wages war. So that is what the population at home is meant to support. So that is what is shown to the young, easy to influence generations.
i mean they are the copaganda/militaryganda arm of the MIC. Transformers is pretty much all militaryganda and very little actual robots action.
it’s also one percent robot testicles
I know. It is indeed a wonder when a film like Parasite slips under their radar, and they suddenly have to scramble to make sure the director doesn’t get too direct with their messaging in their next film
They make one movie with easy to digest anti-elite themes for every dozen that promotes competition between the working class, has libertarian undertones, or otherwise reinforces the status quo. How many Hollywood heroes promote the status quo vs challenge the status quo?
Also, Parasite is a South Korean movie, which makes it even weirder. SK is way deeper in late stage capitalism than the US if you can believe it. When Samsung alone accounts for 23% of their gdp, something’s wrong.
Indeed, Hollywood make the directors of the “Wochenschau” (june 1940 to March 1945) look like kindergartners and they learned from them too.
and you wonder what the filmmakers were trying to say with it
No deeper meaning, just action.
Then put a whole battalion up there or something, make it clear that she cleared out a whole sniper nest, not just one guy
I doubt much more thought was put into this other than “hey, you know what would look cool?”
They already had that scene three minutes earlier into the movie, and unfortunately execs think that if you repeat something then you lose interest from your audience and thus can lose shekels.
Curiously enough, “repeating plot points and previous information that can be inferred without being told” is exempted from this issue, so there we go, characters re-explaining obvious plot points at every turn.
I mean, the easy answer is all Hollywood action movies contain gratuitous destruction for the sake of visual interest.
It was honestly my first thought as a kid: “Oh my god! That guy’s food stall was completely destroyed by that car! What will he do now? Is there anyone he can call to get it replaced?”
The simpler answer is to accept cinema violence is a childish thoughtless moment anyway, and we shouldn’t compare it too much to real life. But in Gadot’s case, I suppose gratuitous destruction fits very much with her home country’s philosophy.
“Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”
But as I’m learning lately as I get settled in on Lemmy, some people here will take any opportunity to stretch things to their soapbox.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to defend myself against the accusation from a mod that I’m anti-socialist because I said the USSR wasn’t perfect.
I think that’s the one thing they got right unfortunately, in real life armies (usually) don’t risk soldiers trying to locate and kill a sniper, they just use things like artillery, missiles, or tanks.
One should not ever wonder what the writers of Wonder Woman movies were thinking.
If that one is what bothering you, consider yourself lucky and move on.
lmao the Flemish at the end caught me off guard 😂
“Edde da gezien?”
I thought it was hochdeutsch – “Hast du dass gesehen?”
If you enable the subtitles, it says Flemish.
Took another listen:
“Hebde da gezien”
“Wa is er gebeurd?”
“Hebde da gezien, wa zij gedaan heeft?”
It’s perfect dialect, which surprises me, but after this it seems to devolve into gibberish. I can’t make too much out of it, besides French being thrown in, which for our country is, again, spot on, since we are divided bilingually.
“Veld” also means “field”. it’s such a generic name to give a town, but plausible.
I watched it just now and it’s just generic action movie slop? Do you get your panties in a twist when they destroy NYC landmarks in Avengers movies? It was just Nazis shooting at the good guys and them beating them in a fight.
This is so funny and emblematic of the way you people think. In this dumb movie, they are being shot at, and you wanted the character to not fight back because she needs to preserve the architecture? In the exact same way, you think real Jewish people should lay down and die if Palestinians get mad at them. Stunning
That is a fictional movie! Hope this helps <3
Almost all movies are fictional
that’s crazy wow
“dyaaa jeee fanks bosss.”
what that mean
Enemy combatant status is not defined by age or organisation association, but skin color…
/S
Why are these kids ticking?
“Hello, I am from Israel and this is my comment.”
Welcome to the Internet!
Because it will make the Jews look bad
Worse than Catholics?
The Boys is supposed to be satire.
Isn’t this from Wonder Woman?
The Boys is also Zio slop, Frenchy was an IOF soldier (war criminal settler terrorist) who bragged about ripping a child away from her family.
The Boys is what?
The Boys is also Zio slop
Explain, I enjoy the show and have no idea what you mean. Nor does DDG, Google nor Qwant.
They hired an IOF soldier (Frenchy) who bragged about kidnapping a child
Aight. Cannot see how that makes the show slop, but that’s an unfortunate hiring decision regardless. Thanks
Well then, this explains a lot.
Israeli zionosts seem to have a case of Mel Gibson syndrome… They seem extremely violent, and they like to make violent ass movies and shows.
I’m not a prude, I watch violent stuff, but wonder woman and the boys are just… Too far. Like, you can tell they’re a little too fucked up.
Oh god forbid an actor in a show did mandatory military service. Boycotting Kpop now
South korea isn’t invading the north and killing children
Nor is Israel so we can all live in peace and harmony yay
And neither is Israel, glad we agree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon_(2026)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
Of course they aren’t, definitely not an invading force displacing millions of civillians in MORE THAN ONE COUNTRY.
Shut your warcrime denying ass up before you embarrass yourself further
But they are a genocidal theocratic apartheid ethnostate.
Mmmm words. Love it. Factually not an ethnostate
I can almost guarantee you Garth Ennis isn’t a zionist.
Do you think William Wallace hates jews?
I don’t know or care who either of those people are lol
If you employ a Zionazi soldier in your show, I’m not watching it. It also got to be a bit shit later on anyway.
Careful with all them edges there, ye might cut yourself.
“edgy is when not wanting to watch war criminals on TV” - liberal lobotomite, probably
Wow so staunch. What if someone served in the US armed forces and then became an actor? Would you never watch that show? Genuinely curious
Possibly. Probably depends if they saw active duty and their attitude about their service.
But let’s improve your weak premise a little: if they served in the US military and bragged about ripping children away from their family like the IOF shitstain in question did, I would absolutely never watch that show.
Yes
Yes what
Yes, I’d stop watching that show
Is this thread full of zionazis, treatlerites or liberals? You guys all kinda come off the same.
You don’t know who William Wallace is?
I think that guy is one of the type who picks one thing e.g. Israel evil Palestine faultless and just rides with that no matter what. You can’t expect conversation out of that kind of person
Israel is evil because they are genociding Palestine.
If only the world were so simple
Read the comics, much better and anti gov.
It’s funny because shortly after I read that somewhere else in a lemmy comment, they
Warning, The Boys final season spoiler
killed his character. Lol.
So, because a single, secondary actor (who got killed off) has a dark past, the entire franchise (that’s all about reconciling with darks pasts) is ruined?
Has he “reconciled” with his dark past? And yeah if you cast an SS member you have some questions to answer…
Yes.
They also tried conflating criticism of the Zionazi ideology as being some weird MAGA fringe attitude.
Oy gevalt … OK, I may be an idiot for entertaining this… Conjuncture… but, I’m also pretty open minded, and this is the time where we need to listen to a lot of new voices
Go on now. Explain exactly what you mean by this. Start from the beginning, and ELI5. I’m listening
And if you expect me to take you seriously, include references from reliable sources.
Edit: you can dispense with the anti-Zionism bullshit. Yes I understand. Israel is committing a genocide against Palestine (and currently Lebanon) and all that. Just because I’m a Jew doesn’t mean I’m a Zionist. Let’s move on from that point.
I stopped watching the garbage show and am clearly not half as emotionally invested in it as you are, so I don’t recall specifically. I just remember there was one line in the show, iirc by the Nazi lady, which implied that anti-Zionism is akin to some MAGA mentality. It was the only time Zionism was ever specifically mentioned in the show so it shouldn’t be that hard for you to find if you care that much.
I never accused you of being a Zionist and don’t care what your ethnicity is (in terms of being discriminatory), deep breaths lol
Please… It’s not others job to find references for you. If you fail to reference something, that is your cape. We should not normalize outsourcing of referencing.
lets have good conversation ettiquette
I really don’t care if you believe me about a specific reference pertaining to a garbage show that hired a settler-terrorist for their cast.
We should also normalise not having people spend an hour or more to find references for that one claim. This is a niche internet shitposting forum not an academic journal.
When?
Gal Gadot is the reason I understood how people can fall in love with terrible people
Why is she terrible? I could Google, but make it well known?
Blind support of Israel, served in the IDF.
I’m sure there’s more, but I never liked any movie she was in so never bothered to learn more.
Don’t forget she lied that her family is 8th generation Israeli and that she’s indigenous to the land. Outrageous lie to state especially since it’s public that all her grandparents are foreign from Palestine also.
“Foreign” it’s all Palestine
I think by “foreign from Palestine” they mean that her grandparents were not from the land of Palestine (sometimes improperly referred to, in part, as “Pissrael”)
During the pandemic she noticed no one was paying attention to her so she sung imagine and made her ego everyone’s problem.
Which isn’t the worst thing she’s done, but it adds to her unlike-ability.
served in the idf
Not that this affects your conclusion, she was a conscript, like every Israeli.
You can choose to sit in Jail instead, lots of Israeli youth do. you always have a choice not to join a genocidal army.
I compare it to nazi Germany. I don’t really condemn Germans who served in the armed forces rather than be punished for draft evasion. There were soldiers who just fought as they were told to and without doing anything clearly immoral or illegal - not all we’re out there murdering Jews or civilians, or executing prisoners, or whatever. Same with Israelis. It takes a lot of courage to go to prison by active choice, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to condemn people for not having that courage unless the alternative was themselves taking part in war crimes.
“Just following orders” does not hold up in court today nor did it hold up in the Nuremberg trials.
That is a quote about clearly illegal orders, which I specifically treated differently in my comment.
While I’d say conscripts are easier to forgive than volunteer forces, they are still culpable. They offsetting the suffering they’d endure in prison onto other people, with which their respective fascistic armed forces are targeting. I’m more understanding of their position but they are still guilty.
Also, while the individual soldier may have themselves not conducted any crimes, by serving in a fascist military, you are still aiding them in committing crimes. By providing gains for that military through your service, it gives the force more opportunity and power to commit atrocities.
This is so beside the point but I was thinking about how conscription in the US wouldn’t work. A huge majority of people would either be unfit or just say no and there would be so many young people in jail the economy would grind to a halt. I love that for us
she also praises/defend thier current atrocities.
Hence I said, “not that this affects your conclusion”
Not every pissrahelli. There are some with a conscience. But yeah, most of them.
I could Google
We’re not your secretaries so yeah google it.
Why even use forums if you’re just going to discourage user engagement?
some people ask questions they can google because they want to be part of the conversation and be social
if you dont want to answer the question, it wasn’t for you
She’s not terrible she’s just a random actress with charm and beauty. The people who are always yelping about palestine will convince you she’s a war criminal. Like her if you want or don’t
She is conventionally beautiful but she has the personality of a damp paper towel. She is not charming.
I don’t think she’s a good actor but she’s really cute in interviews, but my problem is she’s my exact type. Love a leggy brunette because I am one
Fucking hell. You are painfully stupid.
Why what happened
Do you deny the genocide in Palestine?
Of course he does
Who is he
Yeah honestly. Their population is literally growing, if it’s a genocide they’re doing a shit job lol. But honestly we could throw sources at each other back and forth and it wouldn’t mean anything because nothing can disabuse you of this notion.
I hope you die an early and painful death like so many people you have ignored.
That’s a nasty thing to say. I hope you live and learn.
Yes, I’m very intentionally nasty to monsters who endorce the bombing of schools and hospitals.
This demographic is not normal. The amount of children is staggering.
Also, genocide does not mean complete eradication. I assume you agree that the nazis committed a genocide when they killed millions of jews? They did not eradicate them.
Idk what you’re showing me other than a shit ton of palestinians
Their demographics show an insane amount of children. 44% is between 0-14 years. This “war” is basically a mass murdering of children.
No. 1 spot at the box office was promised to me 6,000 years ago
Truly an Evil Queen.
Why I don’t celebrity worship, because not only meeting one’s idols is a bad idea, but also the possibility of them betraying.
I don’t do it because it’s stupid. They are just people doing their jobs so treat them like that. Appreciate the good work they do, acknowledge they have flaws like anyone else.
I try so hard not to but sometimes…if Messi ever did anything bad I’d have to take bereavement leave. Love him like a son
Like when he tried to kick out Cucurella in the most unsportsmanlike way possible? When he couldn’t rely on his skills he tried crying and laying. Pathetic.
He played for PSG my guy
is there a problem for playing for PSG? Idgi. Does that make someone irredeemable in your eyes? Is this how this site works?
who
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Saint-Germain_FC
I don’t follow football, but I’m guessing it’s that they’re owned by Qatar Sports Investments. I just assume anyone with ties to FIFA is corrupt.
I think he just likes to play soccer dude
I don’t watch football and I never heard of him before. I’ll probably forget about him in an hour.
Why are you commenting about him then lol loser
PepperSaltGarlic
great seasonings big fan
whos that
Yo momma
Gottem
By your own admission, they threw rocks. Those are just youthful combatants, verified.
‘Future terrorists’ is I believe how they described unarmed kids.
No, that’s how the Israel describes fetuses.
rocks=armed
Are you a troll?
Do you define a troll as anyone who disagrees with you?
No just people like yourself exclusively employing bad faith to defend a genocidal theocratic apartheid ethnostate.
Hoodlums!!!
/s
Kal-El, No!
Explain please
Gal Gadot is a Zionist
I didn’t know. I just knew she was Israeli. Thanks
Yeah, she served in the IDF (mandatory service) but continued to speak highly of it
technically mandatory,
many are able to avoid it with national service (2 years of volunteering).
many choose to evade it by pretending to be orthodox for the period of the service, and are hunted by private investigators.
many still just chose to serve their service in a cell because they refuse to enlist.
if someone ends in the IOF, and participate in a holocaust, it’s their choice and they wanted to be there. no one can say “it’s mandatory”. that excuse didn’t worked for nazis, wont work for zionists.
funny how israel allows the ultra conservative portion religious group to avoid service, and they are the ones constantly hounding for war.
Shout out to that one Taylor Swift fanpage poster who went to prison over it in 2019 ✊
The irony being that TSwift would’ve 100% served in the IOF if she was Israeli.
What makes you say that?
A bunch of my friends are Israeli and nobody should be hated for their country of origin. I’m from the US and I don’t think someone should automatically hate me because of our politicians. The people that I know served in the IDF because it was the path of least resistance, and they played in the marching band or did graphic design. You’re gonna say my ex is a bad person because he played the trombone while Netanyahu walked past him? Then I’m a genocidal murderer for having an iPhone.
Gal Gadot is just a beautiful woman and a bad actress who was briefly in a war simulation. You free palestine people just like shouting and grandstanding.
nobody should be hated for their country of origin
I don’t think anyone hates all Israelis. Those who refuse to collaborate with the IDF should be respected. And there are many incredibly brave Israelis who work as journalists, lawyers, etc. to help the Palestinian people.
The people that I know served in the IDF because it was the path of least resistance, and they played in the marching band or did graphic design.
Understandable on an individual level, but their silence enables Israel to continue the genocide.
OKay two things: 1)People in this very thread were wishing death upon Bernie Sanders, one of the most decent upstanding people to ever walk this earth. I don’t know what kind of mythical politician they want. Mamdani? AOC? They’re all doing the best with the DSA and what they have.
2)You are claiming that people who served in the IDF in noncombatant roles are still responsible for war crimes because they enable others to fill those roles. Then am I complicit in war crimes because I didn’t become a cop or go into the military? Doesn’t that mean there’s an empty spot for someone else?
Do you think that we hate Nazis because they were German? Because their country of origin?
We hated Nazis because they were Nazis.
And we hate Nazis even if they are not from Germany.
But we also hate the Germans who were passive and accepted Nazis as if they were business as usual, it didn’e affect them. it affected their neighbours but they did not care
We hate zionists for their genocidal ideology, not because they are from Israel, there are plenty of Israelis who fight Zionism.
We hate Zionists because they are Zionists,
And we hate Zionists even if they are not from Israel
But we also hate the Israelis who are passive and accept Zionism as if it was business as usual, it doesnt affect them, it affects their neighbourss, but they don’t care.
I hate to break it to you but most people are just trying to live their lives peacefully. I’m an American and I hate my government but what am I supposed to do, go find trump and assassinate him and give up my entire life?
Zionism simply means the state of Israel deserves to exist. Not that they should settle and invade their neighbors. Zionism is compatible with peace. You say it like it’s a curse word. One can hate the right wing and Netanyqhu and still b a Zionist.
Kinda just ignoring the things she has said, aren’t you?
I suspect that pointing out that a moron bigot has moron bigots for friends is probably not the compelling argument you think it is.
I mean they’re all pretty sexy and talented so I think I’ll keep em ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I 100% agree with how nobody should be hated for their country of origin.
However, actions does matter. Any participation in the IDF can by some be considered bad. If him playing trombone means someone else had to be the soldier instead of him, then it’s still contribution. Anyways these things are not black and white. My opinion is not made up entirely here, but I am leaning towards it being a contribution to their war efforts, but people aren’t exactly very mature the two years they are in IDF.
However Gal Gadot is not just a “trombone player”. She is a “trombone player” that has the attention of tens of millions of people. So far, not the biggest problem. The issue is using her huge platform to give full support to Israel for years, again and again. Even if criticized and presented with new information she keeps her full support.
If you do not consider it a genocide, then how many Palestinian deaths per Israeli is ok? 10x, 50x or 100x? Currently it is about 50x and at least 100x indirectly. That in itself can in someones eyes be justified, the problem is that it is almost just civilians, and an insane amount of children. That makes it very hard to justify. Denial of food and basic supplies is the same. The amount of journalists being killed is at a level never seen before, also. All these things that are not even remotely normal warfare, it’s almost as if it is something else entirely.
Gal Gadot acts as if your ex held speeches and wrote articles for newspaper giving unyielding support of Israel. Then not weakening his position slightly when seeing what the atrocities are doing to Palestine and its people. Then continuing giving speeches and writing articles in full support.
The difference between the two is the effect. So the difference between the two is huge.
I came back from the lake. I don’t accept your argument that we have to count lives in this manner. A lot of the children were combatants and it’s a war that Hamas started and Palestine overwhelmingly supports.
I think Gal Gadot is just fine, she’s just a patriotic citizen of her country. Whether you like her acting is up to you. I don’t think it makes sense to hate Israel simply because they are more successful at warfare. And iit’s really not okay to treat regular Israelis poorly because of their govt. Do you actually think Gal Gadot killed a Palestinian?
AFAIK Israel itself is over 20% Arab. Not seeing the problem here.
I feel bad replying to you because that was very thoughtful but I have to leave in like 5 minutes so I can’t be equally thoughtful until later. Like…it’s a war? They had a ceasefire and literally paraglided into Israel and killed and raped innocent people at a music festival and a lot of people were so drunk on rooting for the browner side that they acted like that was okay? It wasn’t even an active was and that would have been a war crime in any war. I saw the videos of them parading those violated bleeding women around and some of my friends were acting like it was justified because it was an apartheid state, but I don’t see anything justifying it.
Hamas/Palestine are infinitely more cruel, but Israel is seen as wealthier and whiter so they’re always gonna be portrayed as the villian no matter how much they baby them.
I really don’t see it as a genocide, and I have my sources and will come back to this comment later. But yeah if you shelter TERRORISTS under schools and hospitals you can’t whine when innocents get hurt? The perpetual victim shit with Palestine is so played out. If they rooted out Hamas themselves there would be no issue. Bu that random “innocent” 50 something year old woman who died and people cried about was raising and feeding a terrorist, so wasn’t she complicit?
Gotta go paddleboard will return
Wrong. Zionists who love Israel are actually incredibly ugly.
I love Israel and I’m not even jewish lol. Gal Gadot is fine as hell
Unless they’re a Palestinian citizen of Israel, there’s like a 90+% chance that if they’re Israeli, they’re a Zionist.
(and “liberal” zionists are still zionists)
And fully supports their genocide.
i think she defends thier current actions. theres another israeli actor, i think frenchie guy was one from the boyz, and his actions were pretty much just as terrible.
That’s a bummer, I liked both as actors
