• betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
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    Mowing down ICE agents with a vehicle would seem to be a reasonable act of self defense at this point if I were a juror. They were using their weapons as weapons, after all.

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      Exactly. If a bunch of non-uniformed, masked thugs with guns started approaching me, you’d better believe I’d fear for my life and run one of them over if needed to get away.

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        I said it like a year ago and I still stand here completely baffled that people in masks with no badges can wave guns and not get shot in this country. It’s absolutely astonishing to me.

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      That was always the excuse hardminded right wing voters used to justify their wants. That’s why it was a joke back then and continues to now: no one calls out conservatives for their lies.

    • Foxer@lemmy.caBanned from community
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      Absolutely, the police officer should just accept being run over is being part of their job and quit their whining! OR… now hear me out… OR People could not try and run police officers over with their vehicles and do what they’re told when they’re being arrested and let their lawyers handle it. Sounds crazy I know

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        Or, ICE could follow their own written procedures, and stop putting themselves in front of vehicles. Crazy, I know.

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        I’m not even acab, and probably considered a centrist on lemmy just bc I don’t want my friends and family in law enforcement to die… so know that you’ve gone pretty far to get me to write this… but you’re a boot licking cunt and … hear me out … Maybe your family shouldn’t whine about it when trigger happy racist masked untrained afraid pussy gestapo gun you down in cold blood bitch. Sounds crazy I know hurdur dumb fuck mother fucker.

        And even if a car was coming, you know what they could do, that any other LEO on the planet do? Get the fuck out the way for your safety instead of finding a fun opportunity to shoot someone.

        (Delete this mods, I don’t give af, as long as it’s in their notifications to read.)

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          You know what gets me? I live in China. A literal brutal dictatorship. And CHINESE COPS are less feared here than ICE is in the USA. (And better trained, better disciplined, and generally better human beings. Which itself should be a shock.)

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            I’m not shocked to hear that. I think it’s also like 9/11 … with the benefits of oceans between us and Eurasia, there’s always a bigger shock to “how could that happen here?” Bc the news is always elsewhere…bc we’re always elsewhere with the whole imperial shit.

            The older and more mainstream I get, the more I realize how similar our countries really are. It’s just the collectivism vs individualism culturally but we’re not that different.

            My best friends were 1st gen Chinese most of my childhood and in my 40s my best friend where I live is too. Dude- we’re all the same. They just shove our differences down our throats to divide us and distract us from the only real war.

            Hope whatever you’re doing across the globe, you’re having a great day today and people to love.

      • Kindness is Punk@lemmy.ca
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        Or here’s a crazy thought use any method of deescalation that doesn’t lead with killing innocent civilians.

        Also you know actually taking in people you mean to instead of accidentally detaining legal US citizens for months to years at a time to the point the courts are forced to intervene.

        Or better yet how about they actually adhere to the letter of the law and do any of this through the courts.

        If you’re an extrajudicial enforcement officer who’s willing to kidnap civilians and place them in an internment camp, you do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, and the fact that you’re standing up for them is honestly sickening.

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        Absolutely! And when ICE goons are driving vehicles, it’s a-okay to blast them in the face with your gun in self-defense, and if they don’t like it, they can stop using vehicles to assault people.

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    Back in the days, when something similar happened to the black community during JFK presidency. JFK worked on introducing civil rights act and went on TV to announce it. Now what do we have? The contrast is abhorrent.

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      A few points.

      • ICE have been shown to lie about things like this.

      • ICE have regularly not dressed as police.

      • It’s perfectly reasonable, when threatened by masked gunmen to try and exit the situation quickly. If they then step in front of the vehicle, then they put themselves in a dangerous situation, not the driver.

      Most of us could easily see ICE approaching the car aggressively, completely unmarked. When the driver tried to get away, they then step in front and shoot, since they are “weaponising their vehicle” continuing to drive.

      There’s a reason the police wear uniforms to clearly identify themselves.

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      The thing is, there is video evidence from multiple angles showing that “trying to run them over” isn’t what happened in most of the cases I have looked at.