(In your opinion)
I’m using DDG, but I’m not satisfied with it. The quality of answers is subpar and I find myself switching to google or LLMs when I’m researching some things where community opinion matter (for some reason reddit and forums are undervalued by DDG algorithm).
I could try daily driving alternatives, but I know I will be biased and it will noticably slow down my workflows.
yandex for images. every search engine sucks in different ways for everything else. google is good but gives me the spyware cramps.
oh and wikipedia is good for scientific topics.
Kagi in my experience is the best, but $$
Brave is a close second, but crypto bro
SearXNG is great, but only if you self host to avoid throttling
Most of the rest use Bing under the hood so they’re all about the same
Kagi is worth every penny. Superb results.
10€/mo for unlimited searches is a bit too high. They could lower the price by selling the AI features under an additional subscription.
That’s way too much for a search engine for personal use IMO
I mean I certainly wouldn’t mind paying less, but it is something I use every day, I get way more value out of my Kagi subscription than literally any other subscription I have except maybe Home Assistant.
I haven’t tried it so I can’t speak to the value proposition but Uruky is the new competition, weighing in at half the price: https://uruky.com/
first time i’m hearing about uruky. this policy in their main page is very interesting
True ownership and validation After 12 months as a paying customer, you get a copy of the source code.
I have tried Uruky, it is nowhere near as polished or good as Kagi, but at least it is european.
If the search index gets better, I could consider it. But at the moment the european search engines and the european search index it uses are not good enough for daily use, at least for me.
I guess I’d have to check my habits but I bet 300 searches would easily last me a month. Half of my “searches” are me just going to look up the thing on Wikipedia anyhow. If you’re using web search professionally though, I can see 300 barely lasting a couple days.
I’m not sure how to feel about an AI heavy service talking about privacy. They feel mutually exclusive to me.
Fair enough; I respect that. But I’d pay twice as much if they asked, because I value it so much. Not just the results, but the dedication to keeping the results uncluttered without forcing advertising or selling my eyes to advertisers. I dig it.
Like sending Wikimedia money every time they ask; worth it.
They have a plan for $25 if you want to pay them twice as much 😋
Do you need unlimited searches? You get 300 searches a month for $5.
Plus it’s 10% off if you pay annually.
I tested it and there’ll be months where I do 400 queries and months where there’s maybe 200. Since it doesn’t carry over, I’ll simply have to use alternatives on a regular basis. Especially across all devices (all my work is on a computer, most of the time with unfamiliar technologies as the customer has a new project for us to pentest), I’ll be out of queries most months. My employer is too scrooge to pay for our primary internal communication tool (we pay for various crap where it’s mandatory, even if we barely need it, but not for a donation-run hosted service that we heavily use). They’re never going to subsidise the searches I do during work time so long as competitors are “free”. So I’ll be stuck with other engines regardless, or have to pay as much as for a streaming service. It just seems like a lot, especially when part of it goes to Russia and burn-the-world AI bros
I hate paying for search, but Google, Meta, Amazon have long since proven, if you are not paying for a service, you are the product.
What’s the connection between Brave and crypto?
https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/
https://thelibre.news/no-really-dont-use-brave/
Take your pick, there’s probably a zillion other articles like this, but the jist is a long history of scummy behavior.
Crypto specifically: BAT, their crypto tokens, and highjacking crypto referral links.
Just ask me. I will tell you.
Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity. To seize the best search engine you ever wanted in one moment. Would you capture it or just let it slip?
Ok. Is there any website or forum for people who are making their own accessories for board games?
Not just tabletop gaming or 3D printing, I’m looking for something with the emphasis on board games first and foremost.
Yes, there is.
LMAO
Startpage is alright
Qwant
SearxNG is the only way I know of to get reasonably good results.
Altavista circa 1999. Google stole the crown and was good for a long while after that, but it’s intentionally worse now than Altavista was back then.
If someone like DuckDuckGo could get their heads out of their cloacas long enough to fix the + and - features for “must contain” and “must not contain”, they could easily steal that crown.
I mean I certainly prefer seach where I get a little blurb giving me an idea what the link is to. Im not sure I want to go back to alta vista or dogpile.
I can’t tell if I genuinely agree or if it’s the nostalgia goggles doing the thinking.
These aren’t what I would call ‘best,’ just supplemental when the best isn’t cutting it.
Marginalia is pretty decent. I like that it lets you specifically search forums, wikis, blogs, or academia.
https://wiby.me/ is good for exploring old-school sites. This is more of an answer to “how do I ‘surf the web’ in 2026?” than what you’re probably asking for. (The search itself is very keyword-y with no attempt to guess at relevance.)
Ooh, thanks for the tip on Wiby, gonna try that out later :-)
Ooh, thanks for the tip on Wiby, gonna try that out later :-)
i kinda like google the most cus its the most comprehensive but in reality the pages im missing from qwant are just slop i wouldnt need anyway
qwant also doesnt spy on you and is hosted in europe so im going with qwant as my answer :)
hoping they can expand their own search index as much as possible as soon as possible so they can ditch bing for good
I’d join the others here recommending Kagi if you can stomach the price. I’ve tried quite a few over the years but have now been on Kagi for over 2 years and can’t really see myself going back. Nothing I’ve tried comes close. And this is coming from someone that hates subscriptions and self host pretty much everything.
Kagi if you’re rich, a combo of DDG and https://searxng.website/ if you’re poor.
Rich?! It’s $5/mo…
Edit: I’m sure you fuckers are the very same that pay for ps & Xbox subscriptions and don’t see a problem with that.
I still can’t afford that, many people can’t.
Another subscription. $5 a month is fairly pricey anyway, considering how often you would probably need to use it.
You’re forgetting that if you use a “free” service you’re paying with your personal data. That’s a helluva lot more expensive than $5.
But you can’t convert those 2 units
So, that means you should simply shrug and let your data be sold?
There’s nothing they can do to harm me with that data at an institutional level. That data is worthless to me.
How often you’d use a search engine?
No, how often you would need to use a search engine that would give you the results that something like kagi would. price vs privacy is a great selling point as mentioned by somebody else, but $60 per year is probably regarded as a bit high to many users.
You could probably get similar results using many different engines for the same query, or their free tier, which could be good enough to get people to agree with their pricing. 🤷
I get where you’re coming from but $60/year is not a large cost for the majority of people in developed countries imo.
Privacy is one aspect but also consider the time spent wading through AI slop and marketing bullshit when trying to find pertinent information.
$5 is a very low cost per month in any developed nation all things considered. It’s disingenuous to say otherwise.
$60 per year to search something is too much. But, the price of all tech is too high. It has never properly been structured and companies charge what they want.
$60 per year might be ‘nothing’ to you, but not all people in every developed nation would agree.
Many could feed 3 families or more on that for a month.Edited because my brain exited for a minute.Developed nation or not, the pricing structure of tech that has driven up the cost of everything around the world needs to be reigned in.
I could use:
- Kagi free tier for 100 uses per month
- Qwant - Free (do not collect or sell data)
- Brave - Free (Claim not to collect data)
- DDG - Free (do not collect or sell data)
And many more. So how is Kagi “Starter” worth $5 per month + sales tax and limited to 300 searches (Advertised as “Enough searches to get you going”).
That argument could be repeated (and they hope it will be) as to why the ‘professional’ ($10 per month + tax) or ‘ultimate’ ($25 per month + tax) are better. Effectively saying that the $5 per month is barely worth paying for.
That pricing scheme broken out makes more sense in the context now. I don’t have it but was more pointing out the cost at face value.
I agree with many points you’ve made but feeding 3 families on $5/month? Assuming USD… there’s no fucking way lol.
Even if we’re talking $60/month. Break it down to $20/month per family, $5 per week? There is zero way this math makes sense. Even $5 worth of beans and lentils alone would not cover a single family when you consider that there are other things needed to not lead to a nutritional deficit.
Have a look at https://osint.be/curated-list/
Kagi. People pay for it for a reason.
ecosia seemed to work slightly better than ddg for me recently, but there’s some controversies regarding their greenwashing and union busting
qwant seems to be pretty good but they geoblock specific countries including mine. it works through a vpn tho
startpage is just google
etools.ch is quite nice, even works without javascript but somehow they’re not so popular…
yandex is decent quality wise, but i get endless captchas from them for some reason
Used to use Brave, but I read some shady stuff and hate the crypto. I’ve switched to Startpage, as far as I know they’re doing good and gets the job done for me.
