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I hope he’s remembered for losing a bad faith argument in the most ironic way possible.
i hope he’s not remembered at all, like his cause (someday)
I swear to god, it’s like The Game. I go months without thinking about Charlie Kirk and when it happens I feel like I’ve lost.
Sorry, by the way.
Goddammed. Guys. I lost The Game.
Oh man, I hadn’t thought about that game in at least a decade. Thanks.
So we’re doing the “doomed to repeat it” thing again in like 80 years, got it
Remembering Hitler and the abhorrent shit nazis did has not prevented nazism from rising again. If we want to be really pessimistic we’re doomed either way.
I mean, the place where nazism is taking foot again is the place where nazism wasn’t at the door and the story is barelly told to the children
If we’re talking the US here, Nazis supposedly came to the US to get ideas on how to oppress people, as the US was doing such a good job of it. I’m not at all surprised at what is happening in the US right now.
Actually I had two countries in mind when I made the comment. The US has taken great pride in defeating Nazi germany. But I get where you’re coming from in the context of the US, the American people don’t have first-hand experience with fascism so they probably don’t make the connection that the horrific shit they’re seeing is fascism.
However the other country was what I had more in mind, Israel. Hopefully you’re not going “hold on, what?” because Israel is doing some pretty nazi shit. Jewish people don’t just have first-hand experience with nazism, they have a generational wound left by the Nazis. And in many ways Israel exists solely because of that generational wound. And yet Israel is the prime example how this kind of remembrance of Hitler and nazis doesn’t prevent it from happening again, because they’re now the ones riding on the ethnic supremacy, dehumanization, collective punishment, etc. ideological eradication train. And furthermore countries like Germany, who to this day harbor collective shame for doing Nazi shit, are not only unwilling to call it out but are in support of it. And it doesn’t even need to be Germany, quite a lot of countries in Europe support Israel, not because their daddy US tells them but because they themselves want to.
So no, those historical lessons do not prevent bad things from repeating.
I think that story do help, but it’s not the only thing to prevent, it’s like saying “Wear a helmet when cycling so you don’t hurt yourself” of course wearing an helmet isn’t the only thing that you have to do on a bike;
In this case with fascism we can see that fascism is being justified by religion which kinda influence how people see it aswell, then we add the international component - american media influences us - and then conservatism that never really left many european countries which usually also tend to end up in a fascist regime, conservative countries and parties will do everthing to win, even being fascist friends and that’s a sad reality
I would have hoped it would have taken at least 100+ years, but nope.
You hope who isn’t remembered
“I think it’s worth it. It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights. That’s a prudent deal. It is rational,”
It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year
For context, he was talking about school shootings. He was advocating for 8 year olds being shot and killed in schools so people could have a gun to go shopping at Wal Mart.
you ain’t gonna ketch me in starbucks if i ain’t PACKIN, boy!
I don’t really want to watch the video of him talking again, or of a human dying, but is that actually what he was saying when his neck just did that?
No. His last words were insinuating that mass shooters were mostly gang violence.
Fair enough. The irony would be too thick, if it were so.
Paraphrased:
Guy at mic: How many mass shootings were perpetrated by trans people?
Charlie: too many! (Crowd cheers)
Guy at mic: and how many mass shootings in general were there?
Charlie: Counting or not counting gang violence? (Gets shot, dies)
The quote above is from a different interview out panel thingie and is his response to someone asking why he doesn’t think we should do more about school shootings. I’m pulling this entirely from memory so I’m paraphrasing a bit.
As a mediocre white guy who dropped out of college
Fuck that guy
I also am a mediocre white guy who dropped out of college. And to top it off, I entered a field dominated by women. Am I DEI?
No you’re just qualified
Why are we still talking about this guy?
He was murdered, he’s dead, he’s no longer an issue. We have LIVING people who STILL support the same shit he did.
Spent his life arguing against the public good. Ended his life as a fountain.
LOL
His death was hilarious and I’m glad it happened
I have a hard time celebrating anyone’s death (there are a few I’m looking forward too though), but it’s hard to classify Kirk’s as undeserved. Hell, he preemptively justified his own death in that golden quote about “some shooting deaths are necessary in order to uphold the 2nd amendment”.
I’m not celebrating, but the world is objectively a better place without him
I personally don’t think people should be shot for things they say. I think watching an old, decrepit Kirk fade into obscurity would be a lot more satisfying.
The problem with that is the decades he would continue to sow discourse and spread hate.
On one hand I agree, there could have been worse outcomes for him that he would have deserved, but on the other hand it is good that he can no longer cause any more harm himself
Every time I do it makes me laugh, How did his shirt get so red, And what the hell is up with Charlie’s head?
Counting or not counting gang violence?
but people failed to realize that mediocre white men should be able to live a happy and fulfilling lives, too. like all of us should. they used to be able to do that by doing less skilled labour like manufacturing etc, and still be able to afford a home and decent life. that’s until capital possessing elites decided that it is more profitable to use cheap off shore labour. that as well as worsening inequality left them miserable and without purpose.
too bad centrist politicians are mostly being bought out by capital, that’s why opportunist grifters like Charlie Kirk was able to fill the vacuum that was left, and poison the mind of these people.
This is why, if you are going to caucus with Democrats, its important to insist on universalism in whatever social programs get focused on for a platform. Democrats look towards their technocrats to support ‘means testing’ as a way to split hairs and preserve capitalist ideals while offering soft changes on social programs. The result is that we end up with historically racist and sexist programs (look into the origination and implementation of social security).
The answer is straightforwards. Raise the floor. Programs need to be universal, period. There is no cost savings in piecemeal solutions or means testing; its an intentional way to sabotage the social project.
No one is talking to mediocre white men about their worries and dreams.
You’re not seriously suggesting Kirk came to fame on his own naturally without massive funding from big corporations and CPAC?
Someone paid him.
Yeah the meme while funny is a bit too radlib and as such plays idpol with different parts of the working class.
He got the public execution he advocated for
Not that I disagree with the message, but why is most of it highlighted?
Thanks I hate it.
I don’t.
Needs more JPEG and arrows. I’m not quite following.
Yeah and I need a video of one of those runner games on top to keep my focus
You got me there
Thanks for the helper arrows. I wasn’t able to comprehend what the post was saying without them
I was wondering the same. Defeats the usual purpose. Maybe it is trying to grab your attention and hold it
Who is Charlie Kirk?
A white man who leaned left.
You, me, others. It’s us. We are Charlie Kirk.
Je suis Charlie.
And we carry the flame.
When he couldn’t get into West Point he was too much of a baby to just join up.
If he couldn’t get the prettiest costume he wasn’t going to play soldier.
To be fair there are a lot of very successful college and more than you might imagine high school drop outs. The difference between them and Kirk is that they’re still alive.
Yeah but they didn’t get involved in gang violence like he did.
Mediocre?!??! Dude had an absolutely amazing head-to-face ratio.
Charlie Kirk was the human equivalent of an unfixed tomcat that hangs out in the street and yells at everyone, harasses other cats trying to go about their lives, and spreads disease and discord until they get hit by a car or someone euthanizes them.
or someone euthanizes them.
Boy do I have some good news for you!
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Who was Charlie Kirk again?
I tried looking him up and all the results are for someone named Erika Kirk. I think they might be someone who transitioned. Good for her.
Some kind of breakfast cereal I think.
A spaceship Captain?
No, you’re thinking of James T Kirk. Charlie Kirk was the guy who went to Candy Mountain
Charlie! Charlie! Charlie!
I think his assassination was orchestrated by the GOP considering his wife’s reaction and the reaction of elite republicans. Regardless of his opinions, I don’t think we should celebrate something that they want us to celebrate
