most happy and healthy kids have a unique desire to learn and trying to suppress that is unhealthy

things like screen time, finish your plate, etc

screen time is just a limit on time to learn if the kid is using it for the right purposes which you should teach them to

“finish your plate” I was never told that as a kid and I devour anything that is given to me

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    You dont appreciate how stupid you were until you are older. Then you realize you were stupid when you were younger, and are stupid now, but over different things. If this isnt a persons experience in life, they are almost certainly a Republican. (Joke… Mostly)

    This is because with a lot of things in life, you have to actually experience them to figure out if and how you could have handled it better. You dont regret everything you do, but the things you eff up, stick with you…

    Former stupid kid, current stupid middle ager.

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    The experience of someone younger doesnt match the one of an older person.

    Also, youth tends to be a little rash.

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    Teenage years are known for being rebellious and older adults generally correctly remember themselves as being wreckless and rebellious at that age. It is a part of being human.

    That said, if you want to be treated as wiser and “older” than you are, I would have to ask what is it about you that make people think you’re young? I’ve had several cases in my teenage and early adult life where people assumed that I was far older than I was, mostly in part due to how mature I acted in given situations.

    What is it about how you conduct yourself on the Internet that makes people think you’re young and immature? You could be acting your age, but it sounds like you’re frustrated with people treating you like you are at your age’s maturity level.

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    not wasting food is a good thing to learn and tons of screen time can never be for the right purposes. Its good to learn how to use computers right and have fun with them but moderation like in anything is always important.

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    Because as stupid as the average person is, half of them are dumber than even that. The ignorant punch down to feel special.

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    Knowledge and wisdom are not the same. Wisdom is knowledge compounded by experience. The examples you list are not wisdom, nor are they necessarily knowledge. They are parenting techniques with obvious flaws.

    As for 18 being the magic number, that’s pretty societally arbitrary. Sure, one is legally an adult at 18 in many societies, but that doesn’t mean they have life experience to amount to having wisdom. Many 18 year olds know enough to function in society, but they’re realistically still children from a developmental standpoint. There’s no magic age for anything.

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      considering the brain doesn’t stop maturing until at LEAST 25.

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    The screens are designed to be addicting. That’s not hyperbole. They literally use data scientists to increase the amount of time and money you spend on them. The longer you scroll, the more time you’re playing the game, the more money the developers make on average. Online service providers don’t care about your wellbeing. Your parents do. Just like there’s more food than chips and cake, there’s more to life than being on a screen. Investing in long term hobbies, skills, and friendships won’t have the instant gratification to compete with a video game, but 10 years from now you will think back way more fondly on your hours skateboarding or learning to play guitar than the ones you lost online.

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      depends on the way you use it

      as a kid, most of the times I WASNT playing video games but accessing free digital information

      and I could wire up an esp32 to a 3 inch display and it’d be a “SCREEN”

      and if you use a FOSS enviroment like graphene, this doesnt apply

      I “lost online” are you kidding me? I would be homeless and destitute right now if I didnt have the skills I learned from SCREENS as a kid

      all of this only applies if you consume TechSlop

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        You’re totally amazing and stuff but I’m sure you realise that most kids aren’t using their devices to learn.

        Obviously, if a kid was reading wikipedia like you did then their parent would relax the screen time rule.

        I’m glad you dropped by to tell us all how special you are but I dont really understand the point of this post.

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          teach them how to use the devices to learn all kids and humans in general have curiosity that needs to be unlocked with wisdom

          teach them to use foss

          teach them to read wikipedia and github/codeberg

          dont limit, add

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            Wow you just solved parenting. I cant believe everyone else is so stupid. Amazing.

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            they don’t. most people have zero curiosity and don’t want to learn.

            you’re projecting your own experience. and besides, what you want to learn is probably very tiny slice of what is out there and there are plenty of things others want to learn you don’t or think is stupid.

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              I doubt that humanity would survive pretty long then

              humans are born with curiosity and want to learn

              and I do not think anything is stupid until I learn about it

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                how old are you? you argue like a 16 year old.

                a bunch of grandiose statements that are mostly your own projects of yourself into the world.

                the irony being that your commentary in this thread prove that you are unwise and inexperienced in the world, and that young people are not wise. and you feel like your some counter-example, but all you are showing is you are a perfect example of and arrogant teenager who thinks lacks the maturity to understand the world exists outside of themselves and their experiences are incredibly limited.

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                Are humans born with curiosity, or does curiosity need to be unlocked with wisdom? You’ve said both now.

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            this is a very new situation with various perspectives

            I am just giving you guys advice on how to deal with it as someone who specialises in “screens” and how they work

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    because your front cortex doesn’t mature until your mid 20s.

    that’s what controls impulse control and long term thinking.

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    The thing about wisdom is that it requires understanding, which is different from knowing. I can know a rule without understanding the motivation or underlying reasoning of the rule, and crucially, I can still follow the rule even if I don’t understand it. This is useful for children because there are a ton of things they don’t understand about the world that can hurt them if they’re not prepared for it. Take for example the rule: “look both ways before crossing the street”. It’s a rule that is taught to children because running into a street without looking out for cars can get kids killed. There are a million situations like this. Not all of them are as starkly life and death, but kids who have a good set of rules can move through the world more safely and comfortably than kids without, and they can learn rules faster than they can learn the underlying logic of them. That can and should come later.

    There are also rules that aren’t so good. I think “make sure you finish your plate no matter what” is a rule that arose from a well-meaning attempt to prevent food waste, but it’s a rough fit for the purpose and it can make it hard for children to develop their own understanding of their eating preferences. I wouldn’t give a child that rule, I would spend a little more effort coming up with a solution to make sure kids are getting the nutrition they need without resorting to such ham-fisted measures.

    Screen time rules are tricky, because we haven’t had constant access to screens for very long, and the way we interact with them (TVs to PCs to smartphones, to say nothing of the media landscape in which these devices are situated) is still changing rapidly. Parents are doing their best to keep up and it is overwhelming because nobody really knows what the best rule is. I think it’s easy to say “just do whatever’s best for your child” if you don’t have kids because it’s hard to grasp the true scope of the problem of parenting: there are simply too many threats or possible threats to a child’s well-being to individually tailor solutions to everything, and you as a parent, have to pick which areas require tailoring and which areas have sufficient rules to fall back on.

    I don’t think this is unique to children either. There are plenty of domains of knowledge where knowing a few good rules can make life a lot better even if you don’t understand the mechanisms behind them. I don’t drink pond water even though I am neither a microbiologist nor a public health expert. I wash veggies before I eat them, and I wash my hands before I eat. I take medications exactly as my doctor tells me to and I consult with them before changing things.

    You may be thinking at this point, “but I understand all of those rules, why should I follow rules I don’t understand?”. Fair question. For children especially, but also for humans in general, I think the knowing of a rule has to come before the understanding of the rule. Understanding is where nuance comes in. You know the saying “there’s an exception to every rule”? There are some people who take this to mean that rules can be shrugged off when inconvenient. These people are, largely, fools. The exceptions to rules can only really be identified when the rule and it’s motivation are clearly understood. Sometimes when I’m doing emergency repairs on a software system, I will ignore the usual rules about code merges in prod. This has backfired on me before, because I did not take the proper alternative precautions one should take when moving quickly, but most of the time I think my handling of exceptional cases has been pretty good, because I have a good understanding of why those rules exist, the problems they’re supposed to prevent, and when they can be safely(ish) broken.

    Which brings me to my final point about wisdom, or understanding. Knowing about a rule, or fact, or domain of knowledge can feel an awful lot like understanding. Most humans suffer under this delusion, in most areas of their lives, for the full duration of their lives. Understanding usually only comes when one is confronted with an undeniable refutation of what one thinks they know. And that always takes time. In most cases, on most subjects, it never happens and we go to our graves never knowing the full extent of our lack of wisdom. Usually the best we can do is sort of grasp around the edges of our towering ignorance and try to get a feel for where the contours are, and the better we can do that, the better we can at least guess about what we don’t understand, and I think that’s the closest to wisdom we can hope for.

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    I dont really understand the question so correct me if im misinterpreting.

    Because (in most cases) kids lack wisdom even when they know a lot. The reason screen time is being limited is generally because they arent using it in healthy moderation. People arent telling kids to finish their plate when they have no issue finishing the plate.

    Kids do need the rules and guidance because they do not have the life experience to make proper value judgements for things a long time into the future. Some kids do but most do not.

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    Because they are.

    Hell there is a substantial number of people who stay allergic to wisdom their entire lives.

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    To set the stage, I HATE when people complain about younger generations, because EVERY generation did the equivalent at their age.

    Young adults that just finished school, whether that includes college or not, have had a very limited perception of the world. It’s not their fault, they’ve only lived “the tutorial of life” up until that point. Having a job, paying bills, getting married, having kids, watching loved ones die, and all the other experiences that don’t occur until later give you me perspectives and lessons.

    I’ve met some wise kids that have lived through things that I have yet to experience, but it’s a pretty safe bet that an 18 year old is probably not the best person to give parenting advice. They could absolutely help give additional perspective, or share ideas you hadn’t thought of, but as far as real world experience, they just don’t have it yet.

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      It is always fun to hear the old men at the barber shop complain about kids today, nothing like what I did as a kid, and then laugh about the stupid things they did. Sure what kids do is different, but it is still stupid in many cases.

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      some people do some people dont shrimple as that age is not a leading factor

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        Just a suggestion. More people will be willing to acknowledge your opinion, if you are more accepting of others’.

        You asked a question, I gave you an honest, courteous response, and you came back with what I perceived as “Whatever, I’m still right.”

        A significant part of wisdom is knowing that you DON’T know everything and that differing opinions are not a threat or insult, but an opportunity to see a perspective that you haven’t been exposed to before.

        EDIT: I’ve had a chance to read some of your responses to other replies, and I’m doubling down on my suggestion above. Your arrogance and refusal to acknowledge any ideas that don’t match your own predetermined assumptions, are exactly why grown ups aren’t taking you seriously.

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        Age is an important factor though because it takes time. Some people develop faster than others, but it take time and so younger people will be less wise. Sure there are some wiser at 20 than others at 40 - but the general trend that a 40 year old is wiser than a 20 year old is true.