Few places nowadays is it legal to lay around & do whatever you want outdoors, usually getting cited for loitering or something.
What kind of shitty place are you living in?
I always find it funny to figure out that stuffblike loitering isn’t something the Simpson invented. It’s something americans are not allowed to. But freedom is very important to them
In the UK all farmland is fenced off, with occasional walking paths available. I used to think the Ridgeway was great because there was about 50 miles of trails one could walk on or ride a bike, and in summer motorbikes and 4x4s were allowed too.
It blew my mind when I moved to Spain and I worked out I could get pretty much anywhere off road whenever I felt like it.
For novelty I once rode my little motorbike from my house to the supermarket, with only about 50m on paved roads. It was very liberating. But unfortunately some of the yoghurt I bought got squashed by the jostling on the way home, and my bag smelled of bad milk for a couple months even after I’d washed it :-/
In Scotland under the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 you can walk, camp, and explore most land in Scotland—even if it’s private—as long as you’re respectful, don’t cause damage, and give people (especially homes and farms) their space.
Yeah, bit then the midges get you
Seriously though, Scotland is mostly ahead of the rest of the UK in many ways. I had some of my best times in Scotland :-)
If I am not laying on private property or in the entrance of a shop or something I can lay around whereever I want. I don’t really understand what OP is talking about.
And that’s why I’m placing you under arrest.
In Canada, a very old arrangement dating from the creation of the country, says that navigable water is a federal matter. Whether it’s on the side of the ocean, a big lake, or a river, the water and anything below high tide is Crown “land”, and public. There are obviously exceptions and access by land can be controlled but not by water. At least not the beach itself.
It leads to weird situations, like a provincial park that can’t stop boaters from using remote parts of “their” beach. Or another where boats band together between some islands, and party and jetboat among kayaks and SUP.
But this also prevents owners of big houses around lakes to claim a part of that lake, or the foreshore.
We don’t have the right to roam in general here, with some exceptions for Crown lands, and it happens that bodies of water and rivers is Crown land.
Anyway, that’s how I understand this.
Blm land? National forest? Can lay around for 14 days straight.
The land billionaires are salivating to carve up, log and develop? That land?
Yep, enjoy it while you can!
We just can’t get a break from you guys, can we? Doesn’t matter what the discussion is about, it always gets turned into US political grievances. This is what’s killing this platform and making every sane person leave.
i mean, this post is explicitly political tho?
If you think this is exclusive to the US you’re denser than a brick.
Black Lives Matter land?
For the fellow east-of-the-mississippi and not-US folks. The US Bureau of Land Management (BLM) operates public lands with fairly loose rules about use, including camping up to 14 days.
Sorry, it’s just one of my favorite lines from White Lotus.
In some places the nice beaches have been privatised by local hotels or clubs so you gotta pay them to sit on the beach or go sit somewhere less nice. Coming from Western Australia where we have the nicest beaches in the world (all free), I take this concept of “owning beach space” as a personal affront.
looking at you greece ಠ_ಠ
but seriously… it’s hard to eek out an existence in sydney… everything is so fucking expensive.
but peddle to the beach and read a book, it’s free and the best thing in town.
They don’t even have to be privatized. Some municipalities in the US require a “beach tag”. I lived on a barrier island growing up, and we had to buy ours every year, or go to the beach two towns over where it was free (…except where it was privatized).
Not in California
I disagree with the initial claim.
I can go sit just about anywhere without concern of being cited for loitering.
Not sure where you get this idea from.
Are you white?
TBF they might just not live in America. Never really seen “loitering” being a thing outside of that mistake of a country, or at least I haven’t seen it enforced and I’ve been everywhere in Western Europe (where one would assume these things are more enforced since they’re culturally closer, idk).
Yes its an american thing. I can sit where I want in my country, unless its blocking some entrance or something.
Its because in America, you are not a human being. Someone should have informed you.
Another thing ive seen in American movies - people are not allowed to park and sleep in their cars it seems. There is always some officer walking up and knocking on their window and telling them they cant be there. Seems to be another sign of America.
Yep, a lot of it is hostility to unhoused people, based on the myth that “they are all ‘psychotic drunk drug addicts’ that are horrible people”, hence why people believe they are (and deserve to be) unhoused. It’s why hostile architecture is so common and ingrained in the US.
Also, Racism of course.
No, I’m rural in liberal territory.
I cannot think of a single place within 20 miles in any direction that is not indoors nor private property that any human being cannot be more or less indefinitely.
You can’t camp within like 250 ft vertical of the treeline. That’s off limits for protecting the environment reasons.
If you’re pulled over in a car I the side of the road, a state trooper may come to see if you’re ok. Our states troopers got a much better rep than our cops, and our cops don’t do too bad comparatively.
Acab, but know your enemy. It ain’t the outdoors.
Did the goalposts just move?
Nope. They’ve been this way since the 1700s.
Do you look homeless?
Not everyone can.
Those elements oft scorned by society who might otherwise be ticketed or jailed for sleeping at a park are treated closer to equal when sleeping on the sand.
Shoutout to Daniel Burnham and Montgomery Ward for keeping Chicago’s lakefront free and open for the people.
BS, and def doesn’t fit this group.
I’m very glad that my tiny east coast island believes in universal beach access. Although it is not yet illegal, I kinda lean towards wearing an all black pantsuit being some sort of citeable offense.
