Note: Judging by the comments, a lot of people are obviously not reading the post and are instead assuming we are calling for defederation of lemmy.world. That is not the case, and in fact the opposite is true. LW already temporarily defederated anarchist.nexus once, and the evidence suggests Mr Kaplan is now pushing for full defederation of all the FAF instances. We are trying to build a coalition of instances that will agree to defederate from lemmy.world IF Kaplan goes ahead with the defederation. Apologies if you weren’t aware of the context.

🏴‍☠️ Hoist the Black Flag: Pledge to Boycott Lemmy World!

… if Lemmy World dares to defederate from any ship in the Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla - https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/, https://anarchist.nexus/, and https://quokk.au/.

Mateys, we can’t let a mega‑instance captain bully the rest of the fleet just because their ship’s bigger. If Lemmy World tries to throw the FAF overboard, we’re calling for a show of solidarity: a fediverse blockade of Lemmy World in response, until the landlubbers see reason (i.e., there is an acceptable change in their leadership and/or this policy).

This is about mutual aid, not mutiny - standing together so no single admin gets to rule the seas unchallenged. A united armada of smaller instances can absolutely blunt Lemmy World’s outsized influence (and, let’s be honest, their ego).

☠️ A word to the captains: before hoisting colours or locking in a course, we ask ye to let your crew have their say. Run a poll, open the deck for discussion, and listen to the voices aboard your vessel. These seas belong to all of us, and decisions that shape our fediverse should be made together, not from the captain’s quarters alone.

If other captains be keen to chart this course with us, drop anchor and make the pledge public in the comments. The more hands on deck, the harder it is to sink any one of us. Let us know if you are holding a vote!

dbzer0 and AN members can vote on this pledge in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and quokk.au will be holding their own vote.

🏴‍☠️ Solidarity forever, and fair winds to the Flotilla!

governance type: sense check

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    1194·
    3 天前

    To clarify, this is not a vote to defederate. This a call to instance admins to pledge for a mutual protection pact.

    • CerebralHawks@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11·
      4 小时前

      NGL, I kinda want us to defederate.

      I’ve started to reply a few times trying to dig into what Zionism exactly means and all that. The truth is, the nuances of what is happening over there is a bit beyond my understanding. I thought it was wrong when the Germans were rounding up and gassing Jews in the 1930s and 1940s. And I think it’s wrong that the Jews are now committing genocide against the Palestinians. The difference is, the world sided against genocide almost 100 years ago… but most of the world seems to be siding with genocide now. I don’t get it.

      Here’s what I do know: Lemmy and the Fediverse is fucking awesome. I even kind of like how shit places like Truth Social and Lemmy.world can exist… I do not believe in an echo chamber. That said, if someone is toxic, I think it is fine to cut them out. I think the problem if we do not defederate is, we justify the actions of the people who are fighting to make Lemmy.world the only instance people care about. I browse /all, which means I see all the comms on all the instances. And it seems like there are two kinds of Lemmings who create posts: those who cross-post across Lemmy.world, and those who cross-post across multiple instances. I like the latter a lot more, because if we do defederate from Lemmy.world, then we’ll still get content. The former group bugs me because I feel like interacting with them at all supports Lemmy.world, and if they’re siding with genocide, against human rights, I do not want to be a part of that.

      Since the drama with Lemmy.world has began, I’ve seen that a lot of the communities I enjoy following are actually on Lemmy.world. But I don’t want to support them. I make long, thoughtful posts and I feel we need more of that on Lemmy. I don’t want to contribute to people I’m politically and/or ethically opposed to the actions of. I would rather dbzer0 or other flotilla involved or flotilla aligned instances had those same comms and discussions, and that my energy would be better spent there.

      Even though I may be among the least political dbzer0 user, I’m here because I looked at the instances and said “hey, I don’t really dig everything dbzer0 is about, but they seem to support free speech, and I’m here for that.” I looked at Lemmy.world too, but it just seemed too… I dunno. Too much like Reddit? Too… corporate? I like that it’s big and it brings new Lemmings in, but I don’t like the lack of diversity of opinion over there. Reddit was such an echo chamber, and while its opinions shifted, it was always a bit of a problem. I’d rather be welcomed on an instance I don’t fully agree with because it supports freedom of speech (to a point, obviously; we’re never free from consequences) than walk on eggshells on Lemmy.world.

      I also have a PieFed account on an instance that is wholly apolitical, so I don’t think it will defederate from anyone or be defederated by anyone… except maybe the porn one? But no great loss there, IMO.

      …yeah, I think this is the one I post.

    • BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      5·
      2 天前

      Will this end up splitting the fediverse into islands, if the protection pact gets activated?

      What about sending all the fediverse admins to a bar where they can talk it out while drinking beer.

      • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        2 天前

        no, there will still be instances people can join that cross federate. but the reality is LW is a cess pit of shit moderation by people who think advocating for a genocide is perfectly fine while suppressing the voice of people who advocate stopping a genocide, unfortunately they’re sitting on first mover advantage and got a lot of users from the initial migrations.

        the fallout from this will be world getting isolated and better moderated communities cropping up to fill in the gaps.

        • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          291·
          3 天前

          This reminds me of when Beehaw de-federated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and the lemmy.world users acted like Beehaw’s administrators were dictating for Beehaw’s users what they could venture out and see rather than what had happened: open signups had allowed a greater number of trolls into Beehaw’s space than they could reasonably deal with.

          The longer the threadiverse experiment goes on the more it seems to me like Beehaw’s admin team knew the problem they were seeing the instant they saw it, and have been proven right in their approach to dealing with it. My Beehaw account used to be my main account (really should update my profiles at this point to reflect that this is my main one and the beehaw one is for when I’m too fuckin’ sick of how many assholes abound on the threadiverse). It’s a really good instance and I have a huge amount of respect for that admin team.

          IDK… There seems to be an instance culture with .world that:

          1. The threadiverse is the entire fediverse
          2. The fediverse started in April of 2023 rather than in December 2012
          3. The fediverse is exactly like email and blocking domains should only be done based on spam (the irony of this one given the Beehaw situation…)
          4. Infinite growth is good, therefor being on the biggest instance is good
          5. Any disagreements with these axioms is a troll
          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
            201·
            3 天前

            The fediverse is exactly like email and blocking domains should only be done based on spam

            I don’t think this one is true. They pre-emptively defederated hexbear early on and they defederated anarchist.nexus due to one mod not even interacting with them.

            • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
              101·
              3 天前

              yeah i think the admins have a better understanding but it seems like the users have a different idea of what the fediverse is than i do. you’re right that my wording doesn’t quite capture concept i’m trying to capture though.

              maybe it’s something more like “the only justifiable instance defederation is the one we engage in”

        • w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world
          35·
          2 天前

          Randomly join an instance. Now just an ignorant ‘worlder’. But I wasn’t like those other ‘worlders’. I pledged myself to a greater cause. I crossed the deserts seeking those gilded forums talked about in stories. Even now, if you look out on a clear night, you can see my wandering star.

  • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusEnglish
    6·
    1 天前

    Just saying as a FAF user - full support here, and I hope other instance admins take note of this long history of behavior to be ready to support as well.

  • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.netEnglish
    8·
    2 天前

    I am gonna ask the admins of my instance if they make a post for this.

    Btw has anyone an overview how big lemmy.world is in comparison to the anarchist instances and in comparison to instances like lemmy.ml?

  • Rieux@lemmy.zip
    8·
    2 天前

    Wow. i chased the rabbit hole in this drama and im surprised whats going on here. i wish i could support you.

  • Venia Silente@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    11·
    2 天前

    So we are voting to confirm that if they attack one of us they attack all of us?

    Obvious y is obvious, no matter how much fascists are simply incapable of understanding the concept of solidarity. May this serve them a lesson.

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    13·
    2 天前

    In favor of this, lemmy.world needs accountability for their actions, them throwing their weight around to justify bad administration decisions is exactly what we feared when Facebook said they would enter the fediverse with threads. Hopefully we can get more instances on board with this like with Fedipact, or it won’t mean a whole lot.

  • Furbag@pawb.social
    13·
    2 天前

    I’ve been meaning to make a switch to a more niche instance for a while and I couldn’t be bothered to motivate myself to do it, so I guess this is as good of an excuse as any. Hello pawb.social.

    To be honest, I find the instance tribalism to be a bit cringe and painting entire swathes of users with the same broad brush is just not something I’m interested in taking part in. That being said, I also don’t want to be associated with the armpits of the internet either, and when you start catching strays just because you have .world at the end of your username swapping to a more low-key instance is more an act of self-preservation than it is protesting anything about how lemmy.world was run for average users like myself (I posted lots of anti-Israel sentiments on /c/politics and never once got a ban or a warning for that specifically), but I see the benefit in diversifying the fediverse a little bit more.

  • LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    132·
    2 天前

    I just jumped over to lemmy.world and wow it’s a shit show. They are banning ANYONE that doesn’t agree with them. Turning into reddit over there. Time to stop going on lemmy.world.