you should have been done months ago. you know whats bad faith? telling people they friends and family must die because you suddenly might be in the same situation they’ve been in for the last year. your friends and families lives may now be on the line.

This is your lesson to learn. you don’t throw a group under the bus just for your own convenience.

smile then you’re simply clueless. Send me your sources I’ll tear down your supposed experts if it gets you to stop spreading this nonsense

Not once have i mentioned who I voted for in this thread.

I simply admitted to advocating for third party voters.

Specifically I was advocating for it if you absolutely cant stomach harris in order to avoid the blood bath we just saw. Even gave advice on what conditions it was best to do it under.

The idiots and their zealotry instead of turning out the vote and losing a few votes here and there made it absolutely toxic with your ‘lesser evil’ and behavior towards people expressing their extreme dislike towards harris. So they stopped engaging and didnt turn out. Losing not only the presidential race but also many senate/house seats as well.

See the difference? I don’t need to virtue signal what I did with my vote to make my points.

The fact these idots thought they could demand the votes of people whose friends and family were actively being murdered by biden/harris admin without any fucking concessions by her is absolutely tone deaf and moronic. The campaigns absolutely abhorrent treatment of that community on top of it… 🤌.

Omg and then bidens gaffe about shithead trunp voters and the immediate walk back by literally the entire Democratic party? My god imagine being an arab and watching that… Holy shit. They shit all over your community for begging them to stop mass murdering friends and family. Remove members of your community from events without reason. Get ridiculed and yelled at by supposed allies for daring to speak up on what you want. And everyone is cool with this behavior. But biden makes one accurate statement about MAGA supporters and they’re immediately walking everything back.

And as a result she immediately lost 25 electoral points from the get go. 25 points which she couldnt win without.

25 points that in a race this fucking tight she shouldn’t have even put at risk with a fucking ask that was literally just ‘enforce american law properly’ an ask given to the supposed law and order candidate.

Harris was an absolute disaster of a candidate to run, we’ve been warning everyone about the consequences of gaza for a year.

Everything after that is on many like yourself a d your lack of empathy and acceptance of absolutely abhorrent behavior towards our friends and neighbors.

My contempt you felt? Yeah this is why. The behavior of many Democrats this election has been absolutely contemptible. The lack of self reflection afterwards? Even more so.

Ive seen maybe 2 people recognized and admit to the absolutely disgusting behavior on display. The rest of you dweebs? Nope, its eberyone elses fault! Okay fucking principal skinners.

I am bowing I told you twits exactly what you needed to do to get harris. You chose to support her in a genocide, and her lack of support for workers.

Oops and now your pissy she lost. Oops! Why are you not taking responsibility for your actions? You’re acceptance pf a fucking genocide and the suppression of arab voices cost you the election by kosing losing 25 points. You’re lack of support for economic reforms for workers cost you the rest.

When will you stop blaming others for defending themselves and accept your role. Ive accepted mine but you clearly havent accepted yours. Take some personal fucking responsibility. No sane person would vote for person actively murdering their friends and family. How you idiots failed to realize that is fucking beyond comprehension.

Learn some fucking empathy and maybe you’ll get the votes next time. In the mean time start hitting the ranges and sprucing up you might need it in the years to come.

Hehe im absolutely cool with the call out on the article. No offense taken. Unlike many I appreciate when people call out bullshit, long as its actually bullshit.

we’ve been in one for awhile. AI hasnt changed anything. We’ve had issues with nonsense science, news, etc. literally since time immemorial.

I was actually talking with a friend about how disinformation is an incredibly hard challenge and that I believe the only way to address is to actually put impedance in social media and search engines for new content. To allow filtration to happen before eyes see it.

Alright oracle. I dont prognosticate (much).

Yeah sucks when people point out just how shit of a decision you’ve been making and how you failed to see the consequences of your actions.

Lost two key demographics for the big tent party with your lesser evil nonsense.

Next time some people go ‘hey maybe we shouldn’t mass murder other people?’ you’ll fucking listen. But given the massive lack of self reflection going on by individuals like yourself i doubt it.

First the came for the arabs, but i was not an arab so i didn’t speak out…

This saying is about you and yours. Please look into the history of it.

And any researcher who is advocating for the paper trail should trivially realize that soon as you add that, then you literally have the system we have today with counting machines and we dont need to invite all the issues with electronic voting.

As i said take it from people who actually write software as a career. We’re literally telling you its not worth the effort/risks.

It’d be prohibitively expensive and borderline impossible due the fact you’d need to audit hundreds of millions of lines of code.

We’re literally telling you to not pay us to do that work because its a bad idea.

shrug okay ostrich. ;)

I suggest you read my other response to another individual in this thread.

Incorrect i voted just not for harris or trump, i warned all of you this was going to happen months in advance. You had time to get your act together and pressure Harris. i was i literally begged you idiots for months. I gave you dunces options to still vote for barris while tanking her in the polls, messaging her, etc.

Now you see the lesser evil nonsense is just utilitarianism. A philosophy that promotes always choosing the harm to the least amount of people.

Unfortunately its a philosophy that is uniquely structured to allow people, like yourself, to think they’re making the best decision. Unfortunately when you have a voting system like ours all it does it let groups like the DNC promote people like trump. Which they’ve been doing for the last 8 years.

By doing this the dnc gets to act more and more like trump while you are blissfully morally bankrupted thinking you’re doing the correct thing.

Instead all that has happen is you were a frog in a pot getting boiled. Look at you now progenocider, pro immigrant children in cages, antiworking class, literally watched harris shit all over a minority group like a Republicans do. You’re all grown up and you didnt even realize it.

Itd be funny if your behavior hasnt been fucking over everyone here at home for literally my entire life. All people like myself did was expose it for what it is. A bad fucking decision that we will not be apart of. Congrats you cut off your noses and spited your face. 🤡

No but see I withheld my vote for genocidal candidates.

FTFY. get your facts straight. Kamala’s internal polling knew this. she choose this put your ire in the proper location: on harris and the dnc for blowing a fucking election against this twit to shill harder for corporations.

she had two jobs to win: convince people she took the economic hardships of american workers serious (she didn’t) and commit to following americas laws (she didn’t while simultaneously running as a law and order candidate).

Instead she treated arabs like absolute garbage and had pro business economic policies. oooo 25k for first time home owners. bitch people can’t afford food and rent and mortgage rates are at a two decade high. you think 25k is going to do shit?

she was such an arrogant asshole to arabs and the working class we fucking warned everyone for months. but instead of listening idiots spouted ‘lesser evil’ nonsense. All I know is im grabbing popcorn for the next four years and focusing my efforts entirely locally from now on. fuck the DNC and national democrats.

volunteer to do poll work next election.

you should always worry about it operationally. even in europe.

Indeed we are, and my actions will never support a genocidal candidate while yours did. Doesn’t particularly matter which genocidal we get when thats the bar. I will admit to a small perverse pleasure knowing you dweeds will be suffering at least a small amount of discomfort. It was the least i could do for the harm we’ve inflicted on Palestinians and the shit stain behavior of people like yourself and harris.

Yes, you literally are stating you voted for harris to signal the correctness of your position on the issue. My definition and the definition you quoted are pretty much functionally identical. People dont like people in their group if they dont consider them morally decent.

Its a video of a former obama official and the video is a primary source. Didnt really care about the textual contents of the page was just grabbing a source for the video. Whether jon is trustworthy source shrug id believe it though.

wave that’s literally me minus the research into electronic voting systems in particular. do not implement voting systems in software. see my initial response. its not about the technical underpinning of if we could. This isn’t a discussion. literally every person worth their weight in the space will tell you the same thing.

its the in-feasibility of doing it well and its completely unnecessary. our current system is more than sufficient using paper ballots that prevent all sorts of fuckery and are auditable. its impossible to hack a paper ballot without a ton of effort manual and physical access. its incredibly easy to hack counting machines and any electronic implementation and it only takes 1 mistake to expose everything.

there is absolutely zero reason to expose voting systems to a digital threat vector and the loss of the paper audit trail would be catastrophic for verification.

The current system gives you the best of both worlds, easy counting and a verifiable paper trail for verification after the initial counts are in. quick answers and incredibly hard to game.

sigh this conversation was never worth the time. oh well. at least we’re past the ‘blahblah dont understand economics nonsense’ I’ll toss some final notes and then ignore you. =)

1. my original point in this whole conversation is that the billionaire tax wasnt going to win votes. its a fine policy, I said that multiple times. but it wasnt going to win votes.
2. no I didnt contradict myself, this is your reasoning/reading comprehension issue again. Harris lost because of her poor communication and poor policies. I didn’t say which policies were explicitly poor outside of pointing out the ones that explicitly didn’t address the main points I was making which is that voters care more about putting food on the table than taxing billionaires.

Harris both failed to communicate effectively that she wasn’t a fucking inhumane monster over gaza, and that she actually understood americans needs economically. and as a result it doesn’t matter which of her actual policies were actually useful since she already lost people on all 3 of the base motivators: food, shelter, safety. if you fail those 3 issues you will have a hard time making a case for why people should vote for you.

And if you don’t understand why harris absolutely needed to distance herself from bidenomics well frankly there is no hope for you at this point since it just goes back to food, shelter, safety.

I voted for harris

you’re straight up virtue signalling by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.

In this particular case you’re trying to soften the blow for ardent progenocide supporters for harris. unfortunately they need to the cold hard truth to wake them up.

You:

I voted for harris, don’t hurt me, I didnt agree with her but I still was in your group!

Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.

But in my opinion this exact behavior is why harris lost. people were so busy virtue signalling they didnt support trump and dog piling all their stress onto anyone who told them harris was going to lose that harris’ campaign didn’t pick up exactly how fucked they actually were over gaza and the economy.

Most people are not like myself, they wont go out of their way to tell you how fucked up something is unless it negatively impacts them. Its why the arabs were screaming the entire campaign but very few others like myself were. instead they saw what was happening and just wrote harris off after comparing her actions to trumps words. Aka: trump may act and say hes a monster, but at least he doesn’t lie to my face about it.