Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.

Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.

    • Kowowow@lemmy.ca
      67·
      11 months ago

      Oh wow it has room for social insurance numbers now that’s what I call doxxing

      • Lemuria@lemmy.ml
        182·
        11 months ago

        They should offer a JSON download of the thing so it can spread far and wide and we all won’t have to go on the website…

        • qaz@lemmy.world
          381·
          11 months ago

          *JSON torrent, it ensures nobody is spreading modified/redacted copies, is hard to take down, and prevents a hug of death.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      353·
      11 months ago

      Someone share it on that shitty site. I would, but I don’t have an account. Let Lonnie’s town square do its job.

  • aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world
    1514·
    11 months ago

    I love that some of these idiots used their work email addresses. I wonder if Full Care landscaping out of Louisville, Kentucky cares that their VP of Operations is a neo-nazi?

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
    1222·
    11 months ago

    Man, far right websites all seem to have shit infosec as a common thread along with racism and other assorted bigotry.

  • Facebones@reddthat.com
    1084·
    11 months ago

    I’ve blocked all the nazis trying to engage with me saying nazis aren’t bad so I’ll just say this in a TLC and block more nazis when they reply -

    It’s funny that all the people calling ME evil for not considering the nuances of various people’s nazi ideology… Are the same people who think women should die for wearing jeans, and that people should die for having a different religion, or die for not sharing a skin tone…

    Nazis are nazis are nazis. If your world view was so different, spoilers, you wouldn’t identify with nazis. 🤷

    FUCK NAZIS.

    • Cowbee@lemm.ee
      222·
      11 months ago

      There are people siding with Nazis and reporting this post for doxxing, lol

    • Lianodel@ttrpg.networkEnglish
      11·
      11 months ago

      Also, just to see if they have even the tiniest bit of plausible deniability, I checked out Midgard’s shop. There’s overtly white supremacist shit ALL OVER the place.

      It’s not like these people accidentally supported a band with reprehensible beliefs behind the scenes. It’s not like a totally normal music shop turned out to be a front for white supremacists. There’s note even any serious argument about “separating art from the artist.” The leak includes what people bought, and you can tell when someone bought overtly white supremacist music. And even if they didn’t, and the band or album name doesn’t give anything away, what’s it doing at the Nazi store? Why isn’t it streaming, or on Bandcamp, or self-distributed? These customers still had to know there’s an obscure Nazis music store, what it’s called and where to find it, confirm that it’s a Nazi store the moment they went there, and still give them money and their address to place a mail order. Oh, some of them aren’t native English speakers? Then that just makes it even more damning that they did all this with a language barrier in place!

      Plus, just look at the apologists in this thread. They’re fucking cowards. They can’t just come out with their beliefs, so they’re just asking questions, deflecting from the topic. One is concern trolling for the fundamental humanity of literal Nazis, despite the fact that the main fucking problem with Nazis is that they considered marginalized groups subhuman. Where’s the concern there? Why the focus on the people who oppose Nazis rather than the Nazis themselves? Another one could barely resist giving the game away by saying they’ve been called a Nazi before because of their anti-immigrant positions.

      The people defending this shop and its customers aren’t serious people. They’re dishonest, cowardly, and stupid.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      3·
      11 months ago

      Check Talia Levin’s book, Culture Warlords. She spent a year undercover online as a far-right personality and wrote about the encounters she experienced. It was a rough time, clearly. She’s in the punch-a-nazi camp and reading her book landed me there at the end.

    • vxx@lemmy.world
      313·
      11 months ago

      I would advise to call them Neo-Nazis instead of Nazis. Most Nazis are dead and Neo-Nazis are given too much distraction by giving them this easy excuse.

      • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
        16·
        11 months ago

        That’s such a stupid fucking argument to nit pick it’s almost absurd.

        Nazis is as Nazis does. Adding a prefix changes nothing.

    • rab@lemmy.ca
      234·
      11 months ago

      You remind me of one of my friends who uses the word nazi so much it’s basically lost all its weight

      • Cowbee@lemm.ee
        211·
        11 months ago

        Imagine getting mad at someone saying Nazis are bad. I wouldn’t be caught dead getting upset that someone was saying Nazis are bad, lmao

        • rab@lemmy.ca
          38·
          11 months ago

          What annoys me is throwing the word around like it’s nothing, dude calls pretty much anyone a nazi lol

          For example, I was called a nazi for saying maybe Canada is taking too many immigrants at once

          • Cowbee@lemm.ee
            61·
            11 months ago

            Depends entirely on the context. Framed like that? Probably not a Nazi, but I wouldn’t dare make judgement without knowing what actually transpired.

            Might be a hot take, but the idea that the word “Nazi” is thrown around like it’s nothing is actually overblown, and usually it’s correctly thrown.

            • rab@lemmy.ca
              18·
              11 months ago

              Maybe my friends are dumb but the far left ones love using the word whenever possible

              • Cowbee@lemm.ee
                5·
                11 months ago

                Usually the far left calls everyone a liberal, it’s liberals that call conservatives Nazis. The far left usually calls actual fascists Nazis.

                • rab@lemmy.ca
                  17·
                  11 months ago

                  Yeah I’m economically far left but socially I lean a little further right, which has gotten me called a nazi before, which is ridiculous if you actually know me haha

      • Facebones@reddthat.com
        11·
        11 months ago

        You remind me of apologists who argue somebody can’t be a nazi even though they spout the ideology and use the language, because they aren’t on record saying “I heart Hitler” three times in a mirror.

        • rab@lemmy.ca
          13·
          11 months ago

          I dunno someone called me a nazi recently at my university for wearing a burzum shirt for example lol

          Word is definitely getting thrown around a lot these days

          • Facebones@reddthat.com
            5·
            11 months ago

            It’s not coincidence, there’s alot more nazis running around on some nazi shit. By the way in case you didn’t know, while I don’t recall it coming up in the music (I have a Burzum CD around here somewhere) but - Burzum/Varg was increasingly on some nazi/white nationalist shit, so it’s not some “fuckin LiBrUlZ” conspiracy to call everybody a nazi, you were just wearing a shirt associated with nazi shit. 🤷

            • rab@lemmy.ca
              12·
              11 months ago

              I know who varg is. It’s impossible to listen to black metal and entirely avoid this kind of thing. I was wearing a hvis lyset tar oss shirt, there are no such themes on the album, and I bought the shirt way before varg went full nazi on YouTube (it’s counterfeit anyway so he got nothing from me)

              The only black metal I avoid are ones where nazi themes are explicitly in the lyrics

              Do digging on the people behind any black metal band and you’ll probably find something similar, it’s extreme music made by extreme people

              • Facebones@reddthat.com
                3·
                11 months ago

                You’re missing the point - you weren’t called a nazi cause you were wearing a sccarryy black metal tee. You were called a nazi for wearing a nazi’s tee.

                Whatevs, you’ve made it abundantly clear that you’re being intentionally obtuse in defense of nazis so I’m over it. Bye Felicia.

    • mob@lemmy.world
      1043·
      11 months ago

      Nazis are obviously bad, but this comment makes me think that anyone you don’t like/like their comments/replies, you consider a Nazi?

      • Facebones@reddthat.com
        31·
        11 months ago

        I think people who defend nazis, their right to believe in nazi ideology, and argue that nazis are overall fine people are nazis or nazi apologists which are equally unwelcome in my circles and consciousness. Sorry, I’m not going to feel bad for hurting nazi feelings.

        You can reply to this and “um actually” all you want about nazis, but if you’re pro-nazi, I’m gonna block you. Easy peasy.

        • brbposting@sh.itjust.works
          4·
          11 months ago

          Gotta do my part and never block anybody so I can advocate for e.g. defederating nazinstances.

          It ain’t much, but…

            • mob@lemmy.world
              233·
              11 months ago

              I’m confused by the whole comment line. Do I seem like I’m outraging, or have any strong opinions any way that needs to be clarified?

                • mob@lemmy.world
                  243·
                  11 months ago

                  It’s an irrelevant question leading into a off topic point that you’d like to make. If you’d like to deliver a point, go ahead and comment it. Not my job to try and land your point for you though.

        • Cowbee@lemm.ee
          19·
          11 months ago

          Per Capita, in total, Per capita per year, or total per year? Each of these 4 types has a different answer, and the Nazis were higher in nearly every metric of slaughter.

          The US is bad. The US has never been fully fascist, despite flirting with it. Nazi Germany was perhaps the most evil and oppressive country to ever exist in history, and certainly was for the 20th century.

          What exactly is your point? Nazis are bad, but so is the US? I don’t think too many people on Lemmy are fans of the US, but to insinuate that the Nazis are somehow more palatable by being compared to the US is absurd.

          • mob@lemmy.world
            4·
            11 months ago

            Even without defining those parameters, I also thought it was sort of strange to compare a political party vs country.

            • Cowbee@lemm.ee
              6·
              11 months ago

              It’s all strange. What’s the point? “Hmmm, you think Nazis are bad? Have you considered that other countries are bad but significantly less bad? Checkmate!” It’s just terminally online.

              • mob@lemmy.world
                3·
                11 months ago

                Oh yeah, at it’s root, it was already bad.

                I’m always interested in a decent discussion or thought experiment though, even if I completely disagree with the other person. 99% are so lazy nowadays it’s not even interesting reading their copy/paste comments that have been recycled for the last decade

            • Cowbee@lemm.ee
              12·
              11 months ago

              Odd to call it “winning,” but the answer is “historical total.” The US has murdered tens of millions more over its several hundred year history than Nazi Germany killed in the less than half a century it existed.

              It isn’t sanity to pretend that hundreds of years of brutal history are equally comparable to an extremely condensed period of the single most brutal country to exist in modern history. Nazism is far more evil than liberalism, even if liberalism is still inevitably evil.

            • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
              6·
              11 months ago

              Ooh, evasive. Which metric did USA win? And by how much?

              If you knew anything about what you were talking about you would already know.

            • YeetPics@mander.xyz
              3·
              11 months ago

              Nazis love dehumanizing people

              Bunch of drones

              Go on and tell us how much better you are than a Nazi.

                • YeetPics@mander.xyz
                  3·
                  11 months ago

                  Nazi is a subclassification of humans, it actually does the opposite of dehumanizing by more thoroughly defining the human/humanity relationship.

                  But if me saying “fuck Nazis” gets you riled up so be it 🫡

        • YeetPics@mander.xyz
          3·
          11 months ago

          If the bar for being a Nazi is merely killing people many of us would be Nazis. Personally I think nazihood has more to do with a wish to genocide (the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.).

            • YeetPics@mander.xyz
              3·
              11 months ago

              So maybe it’s the politicians and the rich guys that we should be looking at.

              You don’t need money or power to be a deadbeat fucking Nazi.

    • tourist@lemmy.world
      1021·
      11 months ago

      “Just because you listen to them doesn’t make you a neo nazi! Free speech is dead!”

      - HitlerFan1488 with a roman statue avatar

      • Cowbee@lemm.ee
        261·
        11 months ago

        There are legitimately people here arguing that just because you don’t understand the language, you probably aren’t a fascist for liking clearly fascist music that you have to work hard to find, especially if you don’t natively speak the language.

        • MiltownClowns@lemmy.world
          71·
          11 months ago

          Maybe they just vibe with hate and the fascist imagery is a comforting reminder of their favorite message boards? Just because the only music you listen too is made for Nazis doesn’t make you a Nazi. You being a Nazi means you enjoy Nazi music. Not exactly causation but nearly a one to one correlation. I don’t know what I meant by this. I started with a joke and now I’m just arguing logic semantics. This is a mess. I’m sorry, hitting post anyway though.

          • Cowbee@lemm.ee
            3·
            11 months ago

            Hahaha, I gotchu. On an individual basis, it’s totally possible that a Japanese person may genuinely stumble upon it and like it purely for the tunes. At an aggregate, it becomes increasingly obvious that there are tendencies that lead people out of traditionally popular Japanese music and into obscure northern European Nazi music.

        • deafboy@lemmy.world
          6·
          11 months ago

          Come back after you type “Finnish metal” into youtube search bar, find a pretty good melodic powermetal song. It’s stuck in your head for days, so you download an entire album. You start to hum along as you listen, but it’s not enough. You find the lyrics in a language you never have spoken before, so you learn it phonetically. You share your discovery with friends and family. It’s fun AND educational! But that’s not enough, you often wonder what it all means, so one day as you listen, you open a new tab, type in “Terasbetoni - Orjatar, translated lyrics” to find…

          This

          Slave woman

          Hard was the work in the midst of woods, Wearing the axe and play on the shoulders, heart burning with desire, Yearning will make you go through the snow, Knowledge of what shall become keeps you strong!

          Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!

          There shall be battles in the fields of death. On stake is the life in disastrous times! Man with an ardor shall get what he deserves, So please and serve, or he shall punish you!

          Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!

          Slave woman! Come to me, And work your magic! Slave woman! Heed my words, For that is your law!

          Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!

          • Cowbee@lemm.ee
            5·
            11 months ago

            Individually? Possible, totally. In aggregate? It’s not a secret that Japan has an uncomfortably large fascist subculture. Putting 2 and 2 together as an aggregate makes sense.

            Of course, I wouldn’t go up and assume a random Japanese person listening to fascist northern European metal is necessarily a fascist, but if they also had the rising sun flag of Imperial Japan on their car, or hanging in their room? Absolutely.

        • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
          2·
          11 months ago

          Fuck nazis, but I have a friend who got into a lot of Russian techno artists because he watched livestreams of Russian women on OnlyFans playing that music during shows. He didn’t find nazi music (to my knowledge), but he did have to invent a cover story for his Ukrainian wife for how he discovered the artists.

          However, if you can recognize the iconography in the bands’ merch and still listen, I don’t care how lit the music sounds, fuck you for listening.

        • Rufus Q. Bodine III@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          First you just Luke the music, soon you’re hanging out with other fans, and suddenly you discover one day that you have become a #nazi.

      • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
        64·
        11 months ago

        This was sort of my reaction after seeing this again while looking for something new on Lemmy:

        Just because you listen to rap about drugs and murder doesn’t mean you actually do drugs and murder. Nor does it necessarily mean the artist does, it could be their persona.

        But I also know nothing of the band or their music, so idk whether anyone that listened to them would automatically be a hardcore Neo-Nazi or just an eccentric metalhead. Just like I don’t know rap, so I myself can’t pass judgement and it just feels weird to see others do so, I guess I can assume they are more informed than myself.

      • gramie@lemmy.ca
        31·
        11 months ago

        I was listening to a podcast that suggested the main reason the Nazis wanted to kill Jews is because they felt that the rise of Christianity, originating among the Jews, was what weakened the Roman Empire and caused it to crumble.

        For their own empire, modeled along Roman lines, they didn’t want the same thing to happen.

        • vivadanang@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          11 months ago

          ehh… I see a lot of ‘the nazis were pagan not christian’ apologism; their belt buckles say otherwise. the vast majorities were church going christians who had wildly varying records on which sects participated in persecution but overall none stepped up to stop the state’s genocide, so like catholics, they can protest but I’m not convinced.

        • banneryear1868@lemmy.world
          41·
          11 months ago

          Hitler hated Christianity for its worship of meekness, weakness, a dead man, etc, but used it very well politically. Nazi leadership ranged from full on Christians to pagan weirdos. Jews were associated with Bolshevism, and their hard antibolshevim especially appealed to people who had emigrated to the Weimar Republic during the Russian revolution. Communism and unions were the first targets and how they wedged themselves in to power in the first place. Hitlers first major political victory was the concordat with the Roman Catholic church, promising freedom of religion. In the late 30s Catholic pulpits were ordered to recite a condemnation of Hitler for betraying the concordat. The Nazis implemented a Christian denomination and sent pastors and priests who didn’t comply (many did of course) to the camps. One of these was the famous poet who wrote the “first they came” poem, at first a Hitler supporter who recanted when it was too late, like many of them.

          They had all kinds of weird views about Aryans, a very fluid and subjective category in practice, and the history of Aryans. There were archeologists tasked with digging up the magnificent history of the Aryan race etc. Some people like Japanese were honorary Aryans etc. Down to weird specific traits of people based on the false premise of race being a real thing.

        • Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social
          334·
          11 months ago

          The paradox of tolerance is about absolute/unlimited tolerance. One can set limits on tolerance and respect the human rights of the intolerant, it’s not mutually exclusive.

          Btw, the combination of “X people don’t deserve human rights” and “those who don’t support taking rights away from X are equal to X” is especially atrocious.

          • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
            1·
            11 months ago

            That depends on how much of the social contract a group is willing to break.

            We benefit from knowing just how far nazis are willing to go to further their beliefs. And their efforts should be resisted in kind.

            • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
              11·
              11 months ago

              If people break the law, we restrict their freedom. Many seem to oppose that idea nowadays, or at least claim to. There’s a certain irony in that. But yes, if an individual breaks the social contract in a manner deemed “against the law”, then certain rights are removed from them.

        • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          There’s no paradox if you look at it as a social contract. If you don’t uphold your part of the contract (tolerating others) then you aren’t entitled to benefits from the contract (being tolerated by others).

        • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
          1618·
          11 months ago

          The tolerance paradox is bullshit. Source: Daryl Davis, the black dude who converted a ton (like over 80) KKK members by just being a tolerant human to them.

          You have to tolerate the person, not the message. You can say “you’re a valid human being” and “the stuff that comes out of your mouth is actually terrible” at the same time. Doing anything else pushes all of those valid humans with bad ideas together and makes a big echo chamber.

          • andxz@lemmy.world
            1312·
            11 months ago

            He didn’t say we should just say gas them to death (like they’d do to some of us in a heartbeat), he just pointed out they deserve no right to be aggressive against minorities.

            I see no issue there. If they want to be decent citizens there’s an easy solution to that; stop being a nazi.

            Edit: I otherwise agree with your comment, as they probably need some deprogramming to actually achieve said solution.

            • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
              57·
              11 months ago

              “they’d do that to us in a heartbeat” is both wrong (not every person who entertains these ideas actually wants to kill anyone) and also not even a good point. If you want to improve the world noticeably, you have to be BETTER THAN not the same as. Go talk to a nazi, actually understand what they think and feel, and figure out where that disconnect is.

            • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
              715·
              11 months ago

              So you’re saying for example a woman gets brought up in an environment where she’s raised as a nazi you think that it’d be acceptable for someone to rape and beat her?

              I don’t really think you do, I’m not going to bother listing other examples but you get the point - what you’re saying is not only absurd but it’s clearly not what you actually believe.

              All people are people, it’s that simple and there’s no more to it.

              • andxz@lemmy.world
                61·
                11 months ago

                No, I was saying Nazis have a history of death and destruction, while people leaning towards democracy tend to be a little more gentle with their fellow man.

                Nobody deserves to be beaten or raped and I certainly didn’t imply that.

                • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
                  42·
                  11 months ago

                  You literally said they should have no rights, I get that you hadn’t thought about what you were saying but I really think it’s important to think about the implications of things we say.

                  I’d link that clip everyone always uses about the law Vs satan but it’s overused, surfice to sau dehumanising humans isn’t a thing good people do - and yes I know it’s popular to at the moment but when I was a kid everyone thought calling things gay as an insult was a great thing and we as a society grew from that so we can grow from this.

              • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
                52·
                11 months ago

                The first sentence you posted is exactly the thread that line of thought leads down. Disenfranchised people need to be talked to, met with empathy from the people they’ve been told are The Other. That’s the only way to destigmatize the two from each other.

      • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
        462·
        11 months ago

        Music is an extremely important part of my life but there isn’t a single band that would make me give money to neo-nazis.

        I don’t know why everyone is so eager to absolve them. If they have something to say in their defense, they can say it themselves.

          • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            11 months ago

            We just watched that movie the other day. I support his message, but man, dude’s gotta pick his battles lol.

            • ours@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              11 months ago

              Movie? It’s a classic hardcore punk song title.

              Fucking nazi’s taking Dead Kennedys satires as straight-faced and messing up the concert scene so they wrote this little song which left very little space for misunderstanding (even for nazi idiots).

              • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                3·
                11 months ago

                I’m gonna guess he’s talking about Green Room, which is a very good movie.

                But I was definitely quoting the Dead Kennedys lawl

                • ours@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3·
                  11 months ago

                  Likely. Awesome movie. I remember calling it before they started playing.

        • RecallMadness@lemmy.nz
          99·
          11 months ago

          I like folk music and industrial music. The overlap of the two seems to also have a disproportionate overlap of … what’s the best way to put it?… fascist-adjacent music. Imagery, themes, etc.

          Am I a fascist? No.

          Are the artists fascist? I don’t know, Boyd Rice Douglas P/Death In June sure has had some controversies about him, but he’s not been banned from streaming services. But In some ways I don’t care, I don’t have the time to unpick every lyric, image and interview from the artists I listen to, to make a decision on their political views. I just like the music. Open a public playlist and listen.

          None of the music I listen to appears to be sold on Midgard. But does that mean they’re not fascist?

          • orgrinrt@lemmy.world
            101·
            11 months ago

            Probably no need to worry. I like folk and especially nordic folk music (as in Wardruna, not Bob Dylan), which is very obviously something a neo-nazi would also probably like, if only for the superficial themes at play. I used to feel a bit afraid I might accidentally like and support someone I wouldn’t want to, but I’ve come to learn that these shops like midgard, they don’t have those kinds of “normal” releases usually, since they as a shop are often also banned on distributors’ side, so they couldn’t even get them if they wanted. At least eventually that’d kick in, as people report the shop to the bands or labels.

            The music and merch these shops sell are… very obviously neo-nazi. I recommend you take a look at the shop just to get an idea, though obviously a content warning is necessary here.

            This is all to say that unless the music you listen to is very obviously racist or neo-nazi or otherwise explicitly problematic, I wouldn’t worry.

            Of course I might myself be wrong here, but I’ve tried to keep up and stay up to date as to which bands I like could be or turn out problematic.

            None have so far, at least as far as I’m aware.

            They’d have to be very explicit. I think you’d know for sure, if that was the case.

            I listen to a lot of music like wardruna, I simply love the mysticism and the atmosphere of history, magic and rawness, but all of the ones I listen to are actively and publicly denouncing their music being used or approbiated by neo-nazis or other far-right movements or groups.

            I think a lot of people would make a lot of noise, if one of the more popular ones would refuse to publicly denounce that. Or otherwise dodged these questions. Some, like Wardruna, are very actively and explicitly fighting those forces and are in a sense “reclaiming” some of the themes and fascinations that nazis and neo-nazis used to have, especially in norse mythology and history and their themes.

            I am no longer anxious about being associated with wrong music. I think it’ll be very obvious if a band or a brand otherwise, takes a dodgy stance or especially very explicitly supports those dangerous ideals.

            Which is to say, I wouldn’t worry, unless the lyrics, branding and themes are very explicit in their meaning.

            • RecallMadness@lemmy.nz
              52·
              11 months ago

              It’s not entirely clear cut.

              Douglas P of Death in June (who I meant to reference in my original post) sells (sold?) Algiz Rune pins, and stickers of Totenkophs on rainbow backgrounds (but, he’s openly homosexual) as band merch.

              Sol Invictus was formed by Tony Wakefield, who got kicked out of Death in June for being too right wing; and then he subsequently went on to create Above the Ruins for the National Front (interestingly, used to be banned but is back on Spotify), (but now regrets it).

              Von Thronsthal use a logo very close to the Schwarze Sonne, and self-published under “Fasci-Nation Recordings”.

              Both are on Spotify with no problems.

          • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
            21·
            11 months ago

            You don’t need to be a fascist to make excuses for fascists, but it’s bizarre that you read my comment about all the apologists the decided “he just hasn’t heard my brilliant apologise yet”.

            You can drop the “it could happen to you” act because it almost certainly won’t. For this site and those albums, “I just didn’t have time to unpick what the lyric ‘until every kike is dead’ meant” isn’t even a remotely plausible excuse.

            Stop defending them.

          • Mongostein@lemmy.ca
            291·
            11 months ago

            No. There’s no plausible deniability here. These bands’ whole gimmick is that they’re Nazis. It’s not some catchy tune you randomly heard on the radio. There is nothing subtle about it. It’s racist songs with racist lyrics. You would have to seek it out to listen to this garbage.

              • Mongostein@lemmy.ca
                142·
                11 months ago

                Well I don’t live in Japan so I’m not worried about that. Also, tons of Japanese people speak English.

                • Lianodel@ttrpg.networkEnglish
                  11·
                  11 months ago

                  Also, can we appreciate how desperate and nonsensical that entire argument was?

                  Okay, lots of them are Japanese. So… what about the ones that aren’t? Why isn’t that person concerned about the one who absolutely understand what it means?

                  And secondly… it’s still a huge red flag that Japanese customers were going so far out of their way to buy extremely obscure music from racist bands from an overtly Nazi music seller. If an American specifically imported music from a Japanese shop only racists know or care about, covered in Axis power imagery, that’d still point towards being a huge racist.

                  That user is seriously turning themselves in knots to defend people who buy Nazi music from the Nazi store.

              • Cowbee@lemm.ee
                41·
                11 months ago

                This might surprise you, but Japan has very close ties with fascism. Ever seen the Japanese flag with the rays coming from the center red sun? That’s the flag of Imperial Japan, a fascist terror that scarred much of Asia. Japan refuses to denounce their war crimes, and there are an unfortunate number of reactionary fascists who use the flag of Imperial Japan as a symbol they support.

                I’m absolutely not saying that every Japanese person is a fascist, not even close. I am, however, saying that I’m fairly confident that these particular Japanese fans are aware of the Nazi ideology of the bands they listen to, and listen precisely because of that.

          • SkippingRelax@lemmy.world
            72·
            11 months ago

            You are defending the indefensible, would you give the benefit of the doubt to a p*do ring too? They are fucking Nazis, have been open about this for three decades they sell Nazi paraphernalia, they host Nazism bands. You accidentally listening to Celine Dion once doesn’t compare.

            People are indeed becoming unhinged with all this misplaced tolerance: fascists need to be dealt with straight away, we have so many examples in history about what happens when you hive them the benefit of the doubt. I can’t believe this site’s been up since the 90s.

          • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
            21·
            11 months ago

            I’ve listened to songs with suicidal lyrics, I’m not suicidal

            A song with “suicidal lyrics” is not even remotely comparable to the albums this site sells, which is why they don’t need a dedicated pro-suicide website to sell them on.

            Would you rush to defend an album put out by ISIS, that pushed the agenda of ISIS, with all profits going to ISIS?

            It’s getting exhausting seeing people become increasingly unhinged and justifying it because “well, they’re baddies.”

            Then maybe you should explain your exhaustion to the group responsible for their overwhelming majority of mass shootings, who openly celebrate the killing of black and LGBT+ people, rather than someone you’ve decided isn’t appropriately sad that neo-nazis got exposed for doing a thing they did.

      • Cowbee@lemm.ee
        72·
        11 months ago

        I certainly wouldn’t listen to Neo-Nazi music no matter how nice the tunes are, because I personally couldn’t stand supporting literal fucking Nazis and listening to Nazi bullshit.

        It’s not like the Nazis are the only ones making music, there are countless good, leftist bands out there. There aren’t slim pickings, there are oceans of good music out there.

        • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
          41·
          11 months ago

          Benefit of the doubt is a huge deal. It’s entirely possible to enjoy music and have NO idea of the message, themes, content, etc. source: Pumped Up Kicks.

          Edit to add: Iced Earth. Really fun power metal band. Loved a ton of their stuff, and then found out the bands lead was arrested at the jan. 6 riot. That stuff doesn’t really bleed into their music, and I was avoiding them for a while because of it, but at the end of the day, the music is good, and that’s why we listen to music.

          • Cowbee@lemm.ee
            51·
            11 months ago

            Pumped Up Kicks is explicit satire, not an actual call for school shootings.

            Let me ask this: what makes more sense, a random, specifically Japanese group of people, enjoys northern European Neo-Nazi music for the tunes? Or, perhaps, the fact that Japan has legitimate fascist movements, and historical ties to fascism without heavily denouncing them like Germany, means fascists are likely to search out more fascist music?

            I understand your point, but it’s incredibly hard to just randomly stumble upon fascist music and enjoy it for the vibes. This is a specific level of dedication in a country with higher than normal levels of support for fascism.

    • Mateoto@lemmy.world
      331·
      11 months ago

      Scary. The one I found from my city is a medical doctor with a good reputation. Fucking Nazis hiding good.

      • jopepa@lemmy.world
        161·
        11 months ago

        The one from my home town wound up in prison for 4th degree arson. Burned down his own house by accident.

        • Deceptichum@kbin.social
          18·
          11 months ago

          Second guy I’m looking up has already been doxed by some racist-metal site bitching that he was selling pirated copies of their CDs on eBay.

          • jopepa@lemmy.world
            16·
            11 months ago

            Good to remember the enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend. Sometimes it’s best to sit back and enjoy their self destructive little happenings

    • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
      61·
      11 months ago

      What are the legal implications of doxxing a person here? I can think of a few people I’d like to slap on that list, but it doesn’t seem risk free for me.

      • jopepa@lemmy.world
        131·
        11 months ago

        Fucking with nazis is never risk free, but not fucking with them is much riskier

      • jopepa@lemmy.world
        43·
        11 months ago

        Congratulations! This is only a directory of nazi punks and edgelord book clubs, really. Don’t get complacent, vote.

          • jopepa@lemmy.world
            31·
            11 months ago

            Nazis and white supremacists get a footing in government because they organize and vote. If the general population gets complacent and doesn’t vote then nazis poof into seats of power and influence. So what are you trying to say here?

    • rab@lemmy.ca
      2·
      11 months ago

      A few in my small city but can’t find anything about them

  • Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml
    593·
    11 months ago

    AFA Sweden stands för Antifascistiskt Aktion, or Antifascist Action. Not Stockholm based as they claim, there are many groups.

    Great job in leaning Midgard, they also regularly doxx Swedish Nazis on their main website.

  • notannpc@lemmy.world
    453·
    11 months ago

    The only good nazi is a dead nazi. Gotta love how tech illiterate fascists are.

  • mob@lemmy.world
    383·
    11 months ago

    I don’t know shit about this band/this type of music… is it actually the kind of music that only Nazis would listen to?

    Like, if someone leaked a Pantera fan list, I guess I wouldn’t be on the wagon to ruin all their lives, even though Pantera is pretty well known for racism, shouting White Power and Nazi sautes n shit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/26/pantera-shows-cancelled-after-frontmans-nazi-salute-prompts-fan-backlash

    if you didn’t know about Pantera

    • RinseDrizzle@midwest.socialEnglish
      192·
      11 months ago

      Such a fucking shame learning about great music being made by terrible folks. Sooooo many rockers with controversy, be it racism, underage groupie fucking, or otherwise.

      Thankfully there’s no shortage of really talented people making awesome music these days. May need to dig around a bit, but my Spotify is an absolute labyrinth of more tunes than I can possibly get through. I’ve had to make annual playlists for every sub genre I’m into just to attempt to keep my archive manageable.

      • damnyouclouds@sopuli.xyz
        3·
        11 months ago

        Yep. Lot of bands you’d like to support, to buy their music, later find out they are damn bigots, nazis, whatever asswipes you can find. Especially in the metal scene. Makes me sad

    • littlecolt@lemm.ee
      161·
      11 months ago

      This makes me incredibly sad.

      Edit: seriously tho. I never wanted to believe the band members were racist or anything. The song Rise was always my go to to show people how inclusive they wanted to be. “Taught when we’re young to hate one another, it’s time to have a new reign of power. Make pride universal so no one gives in, turn out backs on those who oppose”

      I always thought that song especially was saying “we must not hate one another. We must all be proud of who we are and turn our backs on those who continue to hate.” I may need to do some deeper thinking about it all. I have not listened to them in many years. Dimebag dying legit hurt.

    • penquin@lemm.ee
      72·
      11 months ago

      Damn it. Why did you have to make me aware of this? :/ I love Pantera.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      2·
      11 months ago

      Phil Anselmo did a nazi salute. This made me sad. But the band didn’t market themselves as nazis or write songs that praised nazism or overt racism. I wouldn’t mind if someone knew that I own all their albums (except the one where they were apparently a hair band; I never saw that in stores when I was buying CDs). They didn’t make nazi music, so I can defend it.

      I won’t send money their way because of the nazi salute. That I can also defend.

      • mob@lemmy.world
        1·
        11 months ago

        Oh yeah, I’m not trying to blame a fan base over the actions of a group/artist. I also don’t know what type of music the original post is about. Maybe they do make music thats like “we are Nazis and so are you if you sre listening” and then I’d probably be understanding of consequences of being fans.

        But that Nazi salute is definitely not the only documented racism by Pantera members, and I’m sure you know that.

        That doesn’t make their fans racist imo