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Je suis le seul qui a un problème avec cette instance? Il se sont fédérés récemment à la plupart des grosses instances, et à chaque fois que je vois leur commentaires sur certains fils de lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] (par exemple), ça me semble assez probable qu’ils sont liés au PCC. https://jlai.lu/post/316000 [https://jlai.lu/post/316000] un bel exemple, le niveau des commentaires fait passer les MAGAtard pour des philosophes. Alors le répondre à leur commentaires agressifs avec des citations de Liberty Prime une fois la tentative d’argumentaire passée, c’est marrant 5 minutes, mais je trouve ça inquiétant à force. Qu’en pensez vous ? Dé-fédération ou on laisse passer ? Edit : Voici ce que lemmy.world en pensent, ils les ont bloqués avant même la fédération https://jlai.lu/post/200336?scrollToComments=true [https://jlai.lu/post/200336?scrollToComments=true] A mon avis il faut suivre cet avis.

L’année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l’idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.

Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l’expérience de quelqu’un qui rejoint le fediverse via l’instance jlai.lu.

Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l’expérience Lemmy.

Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc… je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d’à peine d’un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l’encontre de l’état d’esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.

Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l’année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu’ils ne sont pas francophone et que j’aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d’une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c’est trop.

Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l’idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu’il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
    177·
    2 months ago

    The linked post is ableist, it uses the word MAGA---- as a derogatory term, and there are conspiracy theories about CPC connection, as well as general anticommunism, which is linked to fascism historically (I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds).

    The comment accused the user of fascism, not necessarily the instance.

    • Camus (il, lui)
      11·
      2 months ago

      Hello,

      Thank you for commenting here.
      The linked post is there for context, no decision was made at the time, we remained federated with hexbear. We are going to ask the author of that post to edit it.

      For OP, not sure if things got lost in translation, but their point was that “Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc… I think that, in my humble opinion, their behavior and their ways of brigading and defaming an opinion that diverges only slightly from their current of thought, sincerely goes against the state of mind of our community on this instance.”

      So the CPC theories are irrelevant, as OP is strictly referring about brigading

      Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        178·
        2 months ago

        I have no interest in debating the broader issue, but your bolding here is silly:

        Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc…

        The idea of us being connected to either group is a harebrained conspiracy theory, so I think speaking of it as though it is credible while saying you won’t talk about it is classic apophasis, i.e. a rhetorical device for making insinuations about something you want to denigrate while dodging responsibility for doing so.

        • Camus (il, lui)
          7·
          2 months ago

          Do you think things would have happened differently if OP has just said “I think that, in my humble opinion, their behavior and their ways of brigading and defaming an opinion that diverges only slightly from their current of thought, sincerely goes against the state of mind of our community on this instance” ?

          • inlandempire
            6·
            2 months ago

            Citation dont je partage la pensée en lisant ce thread mdr, quelle bande de bachi-bouzouks

            • Camus (il, lui)
              5·
              2 months ago

              Attention, toi aussi tu fais parti de l’instance facho, c’est bien connu 😂

              On passe notre temps à parler de sujets de gauche, à promouvoir les initiatives de gauche, à critiquer Macron, le RN et toute la clique, mais les mecs ils débarquent et hop, ils savent tout. Franchement ça me fume comment c’est dingue.

              Je devrais tag l’utilisateur avec Gauche dans son nom, il apprécierait sûrement.

              Après attention, bachi-bouzouk -> le Capitaine Haddock -> Hergé -> le Congo, cqfd!

              Enfin…

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            137·
            2 months ago

            I think there are multiple things one can complain about, I was simply objecting to your minimizing one of them. I think even within that modified statement there is malicious (or perhaps self-victimizing) mischaracterization, but I don’t feel like arguing about the other statements as others can probably do just as good a job and have more enthusiasm than I do for endlessly re-addressing the same complaints, which increasingly feels to me like the main dealing Hexbear has with liberal comms.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        126·
        2 months ago

        That adds clarification. My understanding is that interaction between this instance and Hexbear is limited to begin with due to the French language barrier, ergo brigading doesn’t make sense as a defederation reason, but this isn’t my instance. I do have a Hexbear account, so obviously I am pro-Hexbear.

        Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.

        Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.

        • anansiMA
          8·
          2 months ago

          Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.

          It’s been a while that I’ve read it but iirc that’s not what is described in the book due to the difference in intent.

          Anticommunism is born from the ruling/fascist adjacent class to misled less politicized people by manufacturing false consciousness. While anticommunism materialistically helps capitalism and fascism, this is not the intent of the anticommunists, while it is the overt goal of the fascists.

          A dumbass being anticommunist because of gaslighting is fundamentally different from someone being an actual fascist. The former will still be able to change his mind, the latter won’t because it’s usually coming from it’s material interest.

          Saying they are twins is not only a misleading, but it also hides the different mechanisms between anticommunism and fascism.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            104·
            2 months ago

            Fascism is Capitalism in decay. As Capitalism decays, Communist sentiment rises, and Capitalism employs its defensive mechanism, fascism, against it. The largest sources of anticommunism come from the same place as fascism, they aren’t the same, but they are twins. That’s my point.