

Bon, bah il est plus défendable. Triste histoire.
I try to contribute to things getting better, with humor, sourced information, OC and polite rational skepticism.
Disagreeing with a point ≠ supporting the opposite side, I support rationality.
Let’s discuss to make things better sustainably.
Always happy to question our beliefs.


Bon, bah il est plus défendable. Triste histoire.


I could understand his initial intention of having some kind of nsfw filter for radical opinions, even though the implementation was questionable. And I was honestly sad about the shit storm that hit him. Too many people here pretend to be more respectful and empathetic than average, but will happily dogpile to get a piece of a person given the right momentum.
But this ddos code is hard to defend, it goes against his own initial intention. He should have walked away before reaching this point.
Can we avoid adding new events to this sad chain of events now?
This reminds me I was stopped in the street a few years ago by someone explaining some newer Korean Christian based religio/sect which believes that there are two images of God, the father and the mother, as humans were created in God’s image. I think it is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God


Je pense qu’il a expliqué qu’il y a un flag bien visible pour désactiver ce filtrage. Diviser par catégorie n’aurait probablement pas changer grand chose à la polémique. Sur les emails jetables, ça semble assez alligné avec l’idée de rendre plus difficile le contournement du blocage. Je pense qu’il avait dit que l’appel était possible tout simplement via une pull request.
Je ne peux pas vérifier parce que je viens de constater que le poteau n’est plus accessible. Il l’a peut-être supprimé pour réduire le harcèlement. Dommage.


Je pense que c’était déjà présent à la base étant donnés l’idéologie bien affichée des dev de Lemmy et leur instance lemmy.ml. On aurait pu penser que ça se rapproche de la moyenne au fur à mesure de la croissance de la population, mais ça ne croit pas beaucoup et je pense qu’il y a pas mal de chose pour repousser l’internaute moyen. Je pense que l’essentiel de Lemmy est content de son entre-soi et n’a pas envie d’accueillir plus de gens qui recentreraient sa moyenne politique. Il n’y a qu’à observer les ratios de vote sur toutes les communications du dev de Tesseract, c’est de l’ordre de 80% de bas-vote.
French has a specific quirk (one among a metric ton of others) with this subject. The country and the country’s people names get a capital, but the nationality adjective does not.
Les Anglais d’Angleterre sont des personnes anglaises.
The English from England are English people.
I think it may also be the case for all Romance languages.


À mon avis beaucoup moins grave que ce que le scandale laisse pensé. J’ai posté mon analyse ici: https://jlai.lu/post/40897719/22278834


Je recommande de lire les explications du dev avec une tête froide, en évitant la vindicte populaire déclenchée par db0, pour comprendre ses motivations.
Poste après scandale: https://jlai.lu/post/40982516
D’après ce que je comprends, le dev voulait faire de son projet une interface plus safe pour rendre Lemmy plus accessible à la moyenne (genre filtre nsfw, mais pour les propos politiquement radicaux). Le radicalisme étant défini par lui comme les appels à la violence ou au meutres, très communs sur Lemmy (par exemple contre les patrons ou les colons israéliens, pour les plus fréquents). Le genre de propos qui ne sont pas non plus légaux dans la plupart des démocraties. Je vous rappelle que jlai.lu a été victime d’utilisateurs souhaitant que les attentats islamistes à Paris adviennent de nouveau et que cela nous à mener à nous défédérer de certaines instances.
Toujours d’après lui, les (une ou deux?) instances queer n’ont pas été bloquées parce que queer, mais parce que leurs admins ne modèrent pas ce genre d’appels à la violence quand ça va dans leur sens (gauche radicale).
Commentaire mentionnant blahaj: https://jlai.lu/post/41022211/22272443
Maintenant, ce qui est à mon avis l’aspect le plus objectivement questionable c’est l’implémentation relativement cachée des blacklists (ça reste un fichier open source accessible par tout le monde). D’après lui, cette implémentation est ainsi pour éviter qu’elle ne soit trop facile à contourner. À mon avis, être visible, claire et facile à modifier par admin, depuis le début, même si politiquement orienté, aurait été mieux.
En outre, c’est un logiciel libre, par un type qui y a passé des jours de travail gratuitement parce qu’il est probablement passionné par le Fediverse et qu’il voulait contribuer. Libre à chacun de l’utiliser ou non, et de l’adapter à ses besoins.
Est-ce qu’au final, cela mérite vraiment le harcèlement, le lynchage et les accusations de transphobie et de fascisme qui ont déferlé depuis?
Personnellement ça me fait surtout désespérer de pouvoir avoir des conversations raisonnables sur Lemmy. J’avais déjà failli quitter Lemmy à mes débuts avant de comprendre le phénomène tankie et de les bloquer largement. Mais le radicalisme et l’agressivité continuent de transpirer un peu partout sur Lemmy.


Those communities often don’t work because things that are actually unpopular here will get down voted, only a few very tame unpopular opinions may survive. It’s just incompatible with popularity votes.


I’m just glad we could have a conversation about this without one calling the other fascist as it happens too often here.


The wiki doesn’t help because there is no common thread between the groups listed, and they aren’t all comunist. Like, iran? The article goes on to talk about modern russia. That’s not communist either. The only thing I can find in common is that they are not “western”.
I think it implies a sort of connection in this way: Marxism -> opposition to capitalism -> opposition to countries championing capitalism such as the USA -> defending organizations who oppose USA -> defending Islamist organizations or current Russia.
I have observed those thoughts combined within instances that claim to be Marxist on Lemmy. Have you not?
I believe all human rights abuse are bad whatever the ideology or absence of it. But maybe it’s even more depressing when it comes from an ideology base that claims to be in favor of the oppressed people. It’s also most visible from the leftist side here, because far right instances are more unanimously ostracized. I never saw them in my feed personally, probably due to admins early filtering.


I recommend you to check the profiles of the creators of Lemmy which are also administrators of lemmy.ml. At least one of them has plenty of writings that make their ideology pretty clear.


If this wiki page doesn’t help you understand the term tankie I don’t think I can do better. It’s basically people who support authoritarian communism including denying or supporting their crimes like the Tiananmen Square massacre and similar. As the last part explains, sometimes the relationship to Marxism gets lost as they focus on anti-Western or anti-American positions, such as defending Islamist Iran and other Islamist movements that share very little with Marxism and the left.
I don’t know if it’s possible, but I would guess democracy based communism with no human rights abuse. Maybe that’s better called social democracy or democratic socialism. For example, in Europe many former Soviet communism supporters lost their faith when they progressively learned about Stalinism crimes and founded what’s called “Socialist” parties as opposed to “Communist” (ex: French or Spanish socialist parties). In English, they are usually called social democrats, close to people like Bernie Sanders, I think.


The Wikipedia introduction is quite accurate for the kind of people you may find on those instances, especially the bottom of the introduction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie


I was expecting no less from Lemmy.


I don’t know if this dev is fascist I have not studied the question. Do you have some other information besides this list? Indeed, I’m not calling the dev a tankie, but rather some of the instances of the blacklist that I know of, as a possible explanation for being blacklisted. I don’t know all of them well enough to tell.


This reminds me that there’s a France based marketplace specialized in refurbished electronics called Back Market. I had some good deals with it some years ago, I haven’t used it recently because I’m too far.


Some of those tankie instances have been pretty aggressive with others, so I can understand that a developer wants to make its project more accessible to normal people by blocking them. Now, do all the instances on this list deserve it? I don’t know. Also, it would probably be a better compromise to have this as a visible “safe default” and let admins edit it easily.
I think he explained the trans related instances were not blocked because trans but because their admins did not moderate the calls for violence he wanted to filter.