I actually agree with you, it shat the bed.

That ban reason seems very unfair based on your comment history. mrdown, you should really get proof before making such a claim. I just thought the summary might help set the record straight.

I agree with you (and I think so would db0), that Mr Kaplan does not seem to be a zionist, and was undeserving of the “zionazi” label. When folks equate what lemmy world mods/admins do with what actual zionists do (all the murdering and genocide), they are making a totally false equivalence. All that the lemmy world admins are “guilty” of being imo are centrist liberals. And that is not sufficient grounds to call them nazis or zionists, at least in the majority of cases.

In fact, since we brought in the no-zionism rule, we’ve only had to ban a handful of people for zionism. The fact is that most lemmy users are very anti-zionist, even on lemmy.world.

But there is certainly a pattern of moderation with certain LW mods where they will treat those who oppose genocide as somehow worse than those who commit it, simply because they use “extremist” rhetoric. And as though calling for vile killers to be killed makes everyone equally bad.

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Yes, and the single user who used that word did in fact temper their phrasing.

Were the Nuremberg trials genocide?

Please try to follow the posting guidelines. Is this about you being banned as an anti AI troll by Mystic or is about the LW drama? Because at the moment this just looks like a troll post to me.

Agitating for justice against actual murderers, like Israeli Zionists, is not a case of one thing as as bad as the other, dingus.

Because you didn’t read the post either.

Nobody is arguing for that, read the damn post. They are the ones threatening to defed from the FAF. We are just calling it out and agitating for a boycott if they do.

The problem is the admin has gone rogue and is making defederation decisions that will affect thousands of people. There’s no way LW users would freely choose to defederate and fracture the fediverse in this way.

Gross attitude.

Quick, you better defederate their whole instance! That’s the reasonable thing to do here, or so we are led to believe.

PTB

I thought they’d decided to refederate? Isn’t this just continuing the disagreement for no reason at this point? I’m completely against defederation unless absolutely necessary.

You are right that they did decide to re-federate, but only until they completed a review. Mr Kaplan feels there is no point only de-federating from AN, he is pushing hard for LW to de-federate from the whole FAF. We don’t want a defed, and this is simply an attempt to raise awareness and pressure LW to act more reasonably.

I agree the time will come eventually, but right now I would guess a significant majority of our users would prefer to stay federated with LW for the content. Once all the dust has settled, and if LW does decide to stay federated, I think that’s the best time to consider having a vote on it. But to be honest, I’m very doubtful a defed vote would succeed in that scenario. And if it goes the other way, then the decision is made for us.

We are not escalating, and are only proposing the blockade in the event LW defederates us again based on the whim of one of the admins again. I agree it is a massive waste of energy, but we didn’t pick this fight.

Thank you, comrades!

Please remember that this whole proposal is only for if they decide to defederate from us first. In that case, it would trigger the “blockade” which is (hopefully) a group of instances defederating from lemmy world in protest, en masse, until such time as the issues are resolved. All it is about really, is asking for mutual aid from other instances to ensure Lemmy World can’t act with impunity with regard to defederations. It’s purely a defensive measure. Does that make more sense?

Kaplan basically threatened us all with defederation after a “review”, because they felt it would be “pointless” to only ban one of our instances (AN). All we want from LW is for them to put it to a community vote, instead of hiding their discussions in Discord servers etc, and leaving it solely in the hands of the current leadership team. Can anyone imagine Mr Kaplan and Jordan Lund doing any amount of self reflection, or coming back with a more moderate and reasonable take?

As things currently stand, LW is run top-down, with no accountability or transparency around policy decisions, poor (and slow) decision making on important issues, and an almost complete lack of community involvement in the running of the instance. It’s basically run like Reddit, but with federation. They also consistently double down on bad admin decisions instead of doing some reflection, and so naturally, we are concerned that after a week or two of seemingly doing nothing, they will announce the end of their “review”, decide they did nothing wrong (again), and proceed with the threatened defederation.

We are not voting for a preemptive defederation. This whole proposal is only for if they decide to defederate from us first, which they are currently considering.

I think you misread the proposal. The proposal is to pledge to boycott (aka defederate from) Lemmy World if (and only if) they decide to defederate one or all of our instances. We aren’t planning to defederate from them pre-emptively.

It’s basically a call for unity amongst the middle and smaller sized instances, to ensure there are negative consequences for LW if they go through with it.