Some arguments in the thread was that this was some bullshit rumour that was started by neo-nazi admins of dbzer0.com or from some .ml instances.
It’s easy to point fingers and make up rumours, but this is a genuine concern. Whether it’s at lemmy.world or dbzer0.com or anywhere else.
This is the responsibility of the communities to call these people out. Whether they are neo-nazis or zionists, it doesn’t matter. They should not be moderating any instances.
Finally, if there is any real proof of this, can people share it here? Like posts, comments, modlogs?
Look, ignoring anything else, people really need to get the idea that a post removal is not inherently power tripping. It’s the point of a mod. That’s the thing they’re for: curating and keeping the crazies to a bare minimum.
If the mod is removing a single comment or post, with no other action, it isn’t power tripping unless there’s some corroboration of a pattern of suppression.
In this case, you provided no evidence of such, and the accusation you made is so far over the top absurd that I think you actually deserve a ban here.
Now, me and db0 have disagreed on multiple occasions, and I called them an asshole the other day, so this isn’t someone kissing ass. But one thing that cannot be said about db0 is that they’re in any way a fucking nazi. Fuck, if a real revolution popped off, despite my disagreements on precise details of what should happen after, db0 is one of a small handful of people on lemmy I’d gladly work beside.
This post is pure shit stirring, and isn’t what this community is for, though it’s good that it stayed up so that the absurdity of it can be addressed.
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the principle that mods and admins can be and should be called out when they’re up to fuckery. But that isn’t what this is. This, to go old school, is calumny, verging on libel.
I’m sorry.
This wasn’t the best place to post about it, I suppose. As someone else mentioned, something like out of the loop might have been a better community to ask about this.
I’ve been called a liberal and I’ve been called a tankie and I’ve been called an anarkiddie, but it’s the first time someone calls me neo-nazi. I’m apparently all political positions at the same time.
Shit. Like you divided by zero or something.
I owe you an apology.
I wasn’t fully informed on this whole matter.
You may be an arnarkiddie (that’s the first one seen the term, and the term is hilarious), but you’re our anarkiddie lol.
Somehow we’re tankies, anarchists, liberals, hate the DNC, support the DNC, support Trump, funded by China/CIA/Russia, all alts of .ml and hexbear, and support whatever the thing they hate, no matter how much doublethink they do.
Someday people will use their brains. Not today.
Quick, you better defederate their whole instance! That’s the reasonable thing to do here, or so we are led to believe.
to be fair, dividing by zero does kinda resonate with quantum superpositions to a silly degree. Schrödinger’s’ politics.
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Dbzwro is anti imperialist, ridiculous to call it neo nazi
That’s not exactly that I meant. Though these were the allegations made against an admin by some on .world.
Anyway, other users provided detailed comments that explain it much better. I understand better the situation now.
Can you answer the question with Yes or No? If so, then it’s not an open-ended question.
That’s a stupid description. “Would you pull the lever if X is tied to trolley track a and y is tied to trolley track b?” is one of the most famous thought provoking questions, and it can be answered with a yes or no. Your definition is totally wrong and just ad hoc to dismiss this question. It is not the reality.
Notably, this is not part of the community’s rules. If this were a reasonable definition, it would be. Good luck trying to enforce it.
“A Fediverse community for open-ended thought provoking questions”
(my emphasis)
It’s literally the first sentence on the side bar for that community.
“An open-ended question is a questionthat cannot be answered with a “yes” or “no” response, or with a static response. Open-ended questions are phrased as a statement which requires a longer answer.”
Looking at the community, the rule is not enforced. There are other not open-ended questions up and doing fine. At best, assuming this is intended to be enforced, it’s being enforced selectively.
Assuming you’re being perfectly honest and fair, this rule should be changed. Questions that require elaboration from “yes/no” should be (and are seemingly) allowed. Sure, questions that can only be answered with a “yes/no” aren’t providing a discussion. The trolley problem, for example, can be answered with a yes or no, but invites people to expand on why.
Inb4 someone says you’re a Zionist.
Why? What are they saying that would cause that?
Edit: wow that modlog, Jesus. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=9312352
Only 3 bans in there, and I think one of them was lifted. Most of the removed comments were sarcastic.
“Haha no I’m just ironic in my hate speech guys”
Let’s take “The Jews are behind everything!”
That was my response to this comment:
There is no civil war. They is israeli backed gangs fighting Hamas
I was mocking what the other guy was saying (in my opinion). I was putting words in his mouth. I thought his trying to blame Israel was ludicrous and was probably driven by anti-Semitism under the guise of “I only hate Zionists.” We’re talking a lot about that today because it might turn out that some of the people doing that are neo-Nazis.
It’s kind of like you just tried to put words in my mouth to mock what I wrote.
The mod considered it might be sarcasm but decided against it. That’s fine. You can’t win them all.
YDI.
Would have been better to post in an out of the loop community, because it definitely reads like shit-stirring. Especially “neo-nazi” admins of dbzer0. Like holy shit that’s so far off the mark I have trouble taking it in good faith.
Anyway, I don’t have context about the world admin being a zionist or not. But this comment lays out the rest of the events pretty clearly.
In short: an anarchist.nexus (piefed sister site to dbzer0 being on lemmy) admin set their display name to something intentionally shit stirring like “death to all zionists”. A lemmy.world admin took it personally for some reason, and instead of reaching out to other admins on anarchist.nexus or dbzer0, reporting it, publicly announcing what was going on, or even running it by the other lemmy.world admins first, they just decided on their own to defederate from anarchist.nexus entirely.
As soon as dbzer0/anarchist.nexus admins learned what was going on, the admin with the shit stirring display name stepped down. Lemmy.world has refederated with anarchist.nexus, but the admin that took it personally is still holding onto the threat of defederating from them again.
dbzer0 is currently gathering allies from smaller lemmy and piefed instances to agree to collectively defed from lemmy.world if they follow through on defederating anarchist.nexus again, because this should have been something discussed, not done in the dark at the whim of a single person.
Thank you.
Yeah i can see how my post can be interpreted that way. Indeed outoftheloop might have been a better place to ask.
I’m glad that some of you provided more details and explanations.
Hey look, OP has previously defended Proton for being an explicitly pro-Trump/Nazi company.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/59927938/23253473 https://web.archive.org/web/20260428010818/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/59927938/23253473
Link given in screenshot: https://tildes.net/~society/1ldg/proton_ceo_tweets_support_for_donald_trumps_department_of_justice_pick_and_the_us_republican_party
YDI
LOL! They’re not pro Trump.
And apparently the CEO made the right call when he said he was in favor of the woman they had picked at the head of the antitrust division. Because she apparently did her job and was later fired for doing so.
Well, I’m certainly not a neo-nazi, and the folks I talk to regularly here at the div0 and a.n chats seem pretty strongly against nazi-esque ideas. Our basic ethos, anarchy, is about no absolute power. Fascism is an incompatible idea and something I’m pretty sure we’re all in agreement can fuck right off.
I completely agree that admins, myself and my cohorts inclusive, should be held to task by our users. I run a.n as a service to my users, and want the site to thrive as a community. A core agreement I have with my other admins and my users is that if situation comes where I am voted out as admin, I step back and genuinely work to hand over my access and servers to the chosen team. No ragequitting or tantrums.
This all started over some animosity and rash actions taken without any communication with the primary admin of a.n (me). A very vocal user, and admin at the time (stepped down since) said some things that upset the .world admin in question.
There’s several threads covering this with receipts.
This is a good summary so far.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25750862
I hope you can find a good answer in these details.
Thank you very much for the well written comment. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this in detail and providing a reference.
And yeah. Fuck fascism in all its forms.
Where was the removed post posted to?
Asklemmy on lemmy.world
needs context
An admin on world is making waves by saying that calling for the murder of zionists is against its instance’s ToS and the tankie triad instances (including triad-adjacence instances like dbzer0) are losing their shit over it.
It’s quite amusing.
Correction, an admin on .world is pretending “murder all Zionists” was a direct death threat against them, after they got upset over their parent organisation being called ZioNazi.
The admin hastily acted to defederate an entire instance rather than reach out and talk to anyone. Leading to a days later announcement post by .world with 500+ replies mostly saying how shit .worlds admins acted by members of all instances.
.world meekly walked back the defederation, gave a random mod secret admin access and started banning users en masse.
Note how SMCF didn’t actually read any of this, just angry at people being anti-genocide.
The real genocide is the meanness to .world
Would you consider murder all zionists to be supporting genocide?
No.
Would you consider murder all Nazis to be genocide?
It’s an ideology.
Probably, seeing as he can’t tell the difference.
Zionism is a political ideology, not an immutable characteristic like nationality, ethnicity, etc, so I’d say no. I don’t find it especially productive to say but it’s not hard to see why people feel that way.
No, no one is born as a Zionist. It is an ideology. No one is born with an ideology, it is taught to them or informed to them with age.
No one took it as supporting genocide when people said Kill All Nazis. No one is born a Nazi. Or fascists in general.
Nazis wanted to purge all Jews (and Romani, disabled, and more), a ethnic and cultural background. Zionists want to purge all Arabs and muslims, a set of cultural and ethnic backgrounds.
You are conflating Zionism with being an ethnic or relgious Jew, an explicitly antisemitic belief. There are anti-zionist Jews, and there are Zionist Christians, Hindus, Germans, Americans, Inidans, and so on.
This is you thinking Jews must inherently need to do this in their holy book or in their blood. That somehow all states that happen to be ran by Jews must do this otherwise something bad will happen to them internally or they will be punished according to the Torah.
You are incredibly gross for this. No one should take you seriously. And I know how much you don’t me personally, so I am reveling in you revealing this. I’ve never once said anything this blindly hateful.
Is Israel not a Zionist state?
Israel is the objective of zionism. It’s the result of the ideology itself.
It is, but people aren’t their nation, the leaders are the heads of state, but not the state. Donald Trump is not America as a person, as much as he shows things about it. Trump said something stupid, does that mean you believe it to be true and must be followed?
And Israel has citizens who probably don’t support the endless wars and being drafted into it. All of Israel isn’t one person. Again, conflating the actions of a philosophy with an ethnic background.
Fucking disgusting person you are.
I don’t think you’re understanding how blanket calling for the murdering of a nation is problematic even if they’re actively involved in their own genocide.
If you genocide genociders you’re still genociding.
An admin on world is making waves by saying that calling for the murder of zionists is against its instance’s ToS and the tankie triad instances (including triad-adjacence instances like dbzer0) are losing their shit over it.
No he’s claiming a former admin saying kill all zionists is a threat to himself (Mr Kaplan) then banning instance AN because it was small, then threatening db0 afterwards.
I just realized that by unilaterally defederating an instance using its few numbers as a reason, Kaplan placed themselves as someone who would censor minorities due to their lower numbers, relatively speaking.
Having someone in power subconsciously saying the voices of the few don’t matter is a bit ironic considering what the federation of these small instances is supposed to represent.
But I might be overreaching with this…
Gross attitude.
Differing viewpoints aren’t gross.
Genocide isn’t a viewpoint unless you’re a monster. piefed.world moment
