What does this at all have to do with you being an antizionist? One person is way too invested in calling the other one a child, the other one is just bickering pointlessly. It seems like this is namecalling.
I also wan to address this comment of yours
I’ve been trying to understand this one for a while, and every time I’ve asked for elaboration on the .world admins being Zionists I’ve been brushed off. I’ve seen them defend a couple shitty moderators and that’s not great, but I haven’t seen anything close to actual Zionism. So sincerely, and not trying to start anything here: what behavior/actions/etc. makes them obvious Zionists?
I wouldn’t say lemmy.world mod are necessary Zionists but them allowing Zionist propaganda in their instances is verifiable like I reported a guy claimed that Palestinians was not ethnically cleansed during the nekba , that most of them left willingfully which is false yet his comment was not removed. In another post a lemmy admin said to him sorry because antizionist report his comment
(I always wonder about folks who go thru my post history. Like, should I apologize for the flashbangs? Maybe I should add a disclaimer to my profile or something. Sorry if that happened to you!)
And that kind of thing going unaddressed is deeply concerning while at the same time not being damning evidence of the admins being zionists. Idk, it’s so hard to sort out the tribalist BS from the actual patterns of behavior, the chance of something just being overlooked and/or the result of volunteer labor and we can’t expect that to be anything close to perfect.
People expect moderators to be grateful for their positions of privilege, and while that’s an understandable perspective it usually glosses over that moderation is a large and stressful undertaking with absurdly high burnout and essentially no support.
What you’ve posted is the closest I’ve gotten to a good response yet and I’m genuinely grateful. Thank you.
(edit: typo ź -> / and slight clarification)
deeply concerning while at the same time not being damning evidence of the admins being zionists.
I spend enough time here on Palestine discussions to know that no matter how much Israeli apologia is posted, it never gets removed, while rightfully pro-Russia propaganda does; so there is a pattern rather than just a few individual cases. I expect moderators, most of the time, to apply rules equitably.
I think there is a difference between being a zionist and allowing zionism propaganda to spread
I’m confused, and it’s about an admittedly meta topic:
While we seem to agree in spirit, and while we differ in our experiences here I don’t see any strict ideological differences. But 40 minutes ago, when this discussion was entirely about your interaction with Remon, you banned me because I am a “Zionist Defender”
While I’m very much in support of the rules being applied equitably, you yourself have said that you don’t think the admins are necessarily 100% outright zionists and have had a very civil discussion about the topic.
So… where was I defending zionists? And is that really an example of applying the rules equitably?
I admit it is not a clear but you are defending lemmy.world who allow zionist propaganda to spread
Did I? Fifty seven minutes ago (as of writing), I said you were behaving like an ass. A minute later you banned me from a community I have never heard of.
For clarity: I don’t love the recent behavior I have seen from the .world admins, but I have not seen the rampantly overt zionist behavior everyone tells me is obvious. I take zionism pretty seriously (the IDF scraped out my babysitter’s spine with a bulldozer - and then they flipped her over, so she’d bleed out instead of a quicker death from drowning in her own blood. That sort of thing gives you a complex) but I am also extremely hesitant to accept “everyone knows” as justification for purity tests - I have seen Israel use that kind of rhetoric far too effectively to divide groups.
If “No, you were both generally acting like dipshits, you had it coming because you started it and it wasn’t very awful, this has nothing to do with you being an antizionist, move on” is the bar to be considered “defending zionists”, I don’t particularly want to participate in your community anyways.
But if, as the timing really suggests, this is retaliatory because I did not agree with you - then you are doing of the exact kind of personal-feeling-based enforcement you have accused the .world admins of.
You seem generally nice, but please really look at your behavior for a minute. Maybe take a step back for a sec then come back to try and see how this might look to an outside audience.
That ban reason seems very unfair based on your comment history. mrdown, you should really get proof before making such a claim. I just thought the summary might help set the record straight.
I agree with you (and I think so would db0), that Mr Kaplan does not seem to be a zionist, and was undeserving of the “zionazi” label. When folks equate what lemmy world mods/admins do with what actual zionists do (all the murdering and genocide), they are making a totally false equivalence. All that the lemmy world admins are “guilty” of being imo are centrist liberals. And that is not sufficient grounds to call them nazis or zionists, at least in the majority of cases.
In fact, since we brought in the no-zionism rule, we’ve only had to ban a handful of people for zionism. The fact is that most lemmy users are very anti-zionist, even on lemmy.world.
But there is certainly a pattern of moderation with certain LW mods where they will treat those who oppose genocide as somehow worse than those who commit it, simply because they use “extremist” rhetoric. And as though calling for vile killers to be killed makes everyone equally bad.
The post is about the issue between dbzer0 and lemmy.world regarding zionism. I am a vocal antizionist and lemmy.world selectively use removing comments for civility based on their ideology
Ngl, this sounds like you’re just trying to use this community to win an argument where you started being a dick to someone for absolutely no reason, and are trying to hijack the actually pretty important discussion about censorship to try and get people on your side over not winning a stupid bickering contest.
Calling you a paedo when you repeatedly, and for no reason, start calling someone else a child isn’t exactly an unreasonable retort - and why the hell were you doing that, anyways? They answered your question and you were an ass in response.
Ngl, this sounds like you’re just trying to use this community to win an argument This is your delusional mind
where you started being a dick to someone for absolutely no reason
The dick is you and him not me. I compared his mentality to a 5 years old because he has 5 years old style arguments . You simply don’t call other pedos
You said “you talk like a kid” in response, like… I’m not looking to get drawn into another pointless slapfight: the way I am reading this, your behavior was as bad as theirs until you came here to complain about it. Moderators ignoring both of you seems like the healthiest option.
Your behavior is the worst, don’t make excuse to people calling other pedos. You simply don’t call people you don’t know or ever seem a pedo.
Moderators ignoring both of you seems like the healthiest option.
They can remove both of our comments and I wouldn’t mind
It would be a bit much to have done that out of the gate; but in this case they were pretty clearly doing that in response to you calling them a child so often and with no reason.
Do I call random people a paedo for no reason? No, that’s a pretty henious thing to accuse someone of. Do I call people that are being rude to me for no reason and who call me a young child over and over a paedo? Yeah, maybe. That’s pretty weird behavior and deserved to be called out.
