Choice quote:
Putting “ACAB” on my Tinder profile was an effective signaling move that dramatically improved my chances of matching with the tattooed and pierced cuties I was chasing.
What I’m hearing is: guy gains wealth and cultural capital, realises he is steadily approaching the echelon of society that the police actually protect, decides they are not so bad after all, and now wants privatisation of police so that he can build a personal army.
Like sure it can be argued that policing as it is right now has some benefit to social order, and it definitely can be argued that the situation can be improved. On the latter point, calls to defund/abolish the police are a valid means to that end. Yet OP for whatever reason has decided that the only real solution is literally that libertarian cop copypasta.
Less Wrong introduced me to a lot of interesting ideas, like how you can apply Bayesian reasoning to beliefs and making your beliefs “pay rent”, but I’m not in love with the Sam Bankman-Fried of it all.
It’s not bayesian reasoning without actual math, and many beliefs are not so easily quantified under any statistical framework.
All it really offers is unwarranted confidence in one’s own rationality, often used in these circles to cloak nauseating positions.
Making ideas « pay rent », In these circles is also used for black-pilling people into rejecting common sense and humanity. It’s good to be skeptical of new ideas or new claims, it’s even good to analyze and synthesize your own beliefs, it’s a bit dangerous to say that every belief is negotiable, and to give the tools to others the tools to mould them (here be cult dragons).
Despite it’s flaws, it is a good opening to the Declaration of Independence of the US (not American myself): « we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [people] are […] equal […] with certain unalienable rights »
You can’t get morals from stats, and some core ideals ought to live in your mind rent-free.
I haven’t talked to these people on any regular basis, other than once attending one of their weird little seminars at someone’s house once, so I’ve had little to no experience with how they apply these ideas. I just read the blog posts and mulled it over on my own for a while, and my main takeaways were something like “change your mind incrementally when you get new evidence”.
That said everything you’re saying does ring true, and I’ve been changing my mind about Yudkowsky and his ilk pretty gradually for a number of years. Hearing that he’s in with dudes like SBF have made me ready to fully distance myself from their stuff now that I know what they get up to.
I never heard of applying the ad hoc Bayesian thing to moral stances. I’d only ever applied it to questions of fact. Creepy to think where that leads.
Thanks for chatting with me about this, it’s been helpful.
I only read the intro bit and I had complaints, looked at the scrollbar, felt despair and then I realized nobody is forcing me to read all this, I could just stop.
Anyway, somebody should call marxbro, marxbro will love this. This feels like it will lead up to a ‘ancap/lw misunderstands marxism’ episode again. (Sadly we do not have a breadbro (breadbro? anarchybro? perhaps best to let the anarchist equivalent of marxbro decide their name for themselves) to go to town on how wrong the ancapper is on anarchism as well).
And anyway, this is prob not needed, surely there are enough people in the LW community who are well versed enough in anarchism/marxism to talk to him about it from a honest anarchist/marxist perspective. Right? RIGHT? [insert face of Padme here]
E: late edit, because I just randomly went ‘wait that is actually a really weird thing we do he just admitted too’. I get why women have trust issues, ‘I lied about my political beliefs to get laid’ and nobody bats an eye.
I only read the intro bit and I had complaints, looked at the scrollbar, felt despair and then I realized nobody is forcing me to read all this, I could just stop.
Average experience reading a LW article
Certainly, guess im getting old. I will have to sneer at myself soon. “When I was young we used to read the articles we made comments about!”
