The content on all the communities seem different.
Why didn’t the “copycats” get the “this community name has already been taken” message?
It was bad enough at The Other Place finding one overlooked sub about one of your interests.
Now you have to find every single community in every single instance if you hope to talk about your topic?
I mean, look at this:
No Stupid Questions@lemmy.world
No Stupid Questions@kbin.social
No Stupid Questions@lemmy.ca
No Stupid Questions@mander.xyz
You don’t have to. You can, if you want. You have options in your life. You could always just go plant tomatoes instead. 🍅
For real, man. Homegrown tomatoes are fkn delicious.
If y’all aren’t growing your own butter lettuce then you’re missing out on one of the best things in life
Ever had dry farmed tomatoes? They’re like regular homegrown tomatoes but with twice the flavor.
What’s dry farming? Limiting water supply?
Essentially no watering. Only works with places with some mild temps, a 20 inches of rain per year, and some morning fog etc.
Where appropriate climate and soil conditions exist, growing dry-farmed tomatoes can be a good option for specialty crops growers. Dry farming generates an intensely flavored crop much prized by consumers and retailers.
A limited number of geographic regions are suited to dry farming, which requires adequate winter rainfall and—in the case of annual crops—a summer-time marine influence that generates cool mornings and warm afternoons. These climatic conditions, combined with careful soil preparation, appropriate variety selection, adequate plant spacing, and vigilant weed control are all required to successfully produce dry-farmed crops.
Thanks for your reply. I haven’t heard about this directly, but I have noticed that birds-eye-chilly plants(don’t know if this is the right name for it) get chillies that are so much more eye-watering-throat-burning-ass-blastingly spicy in the summer than other seasons. It even seems to do better when it’s NOT watered than when it is.
But then there would be my tomatoes and the ones at each of my local grocery stores. Am I supposed to go get some from everywhere to enjoy tomatoes?
It seems to me like there are 5 places the grocery store has tomatoes and and you need to check all 5 places before you know which place you should buy from. Then, maybe next time you’re at the grocery store, a different spot will have the better tomatoes and there are also 3 other new tomato stands in the store.
I’m definitely grateful for lemmy or kbin or mastodon or wherever the fuck I am right now as a reddit replacement, but this shit is confusing and annoying
Sure, and if you choose the correct place in the grocery store to get your tomatoes, you have all the fixings for a nice pico de gallo or guacamole all in one place. But why don’t they ever have chips there? I know this has to connect somewhere …… yeah
I think the idea is people coming from a grocery store where all the fruit and vegetables were centralized in a “produce” section and then going to a Farmers’ Market and complaining that multiple stalls sell tomatoes and having to visit all of them to go tomato shopping.
At least that’s what I’m getting from these comments. I’m new here too, and getting used to it, but I get a Farmers’ Market vibe.
That’s a good perspective. Thank you for that. I’ll try to look at it like a farmer’s market from now on
I go to two different grocery stores to get different vegetables because they have varying quality. For example, if I want tomatoes I go to store 1 and for onions I go to store 2. For carrots I go to either because they are fine at both.
So if two instances have tomato, onion, and carrot magazines/communities with similar quality patterns I might want to sub tomatoes at one, onions at the other, and carrots at both.
I just want an easier way to find all of the instances that have onions so I know what I might be missing at the local farmer’s market. Or find out that a new farmer’s market opened up!
- Where to find existing onion stands: https://lemmyverse.net/communities
- Where to watch for new onion stands: !newcommunities@lemmy.world
What is a “better” onion? More variety, maybe? Onions come in two kinds for me (other than type) edible and not; not a lot of spectrum on onion quality for me I guess.
Just about any other fruit or vegetable I can accept the varying quality of produce but onions and potatoes are either firm and good or mushy and not for me.
Or I could be overthinking what was probably an arbitrarily pulled example for an explanatory analogy.
Fresh, not bruised, the size I like, in stock. Just better quality overall. Same with the tomatoes at the other store.
I have no idea why there is such a difference in quality consistently for those two vegetables, but it has been consistent for a couple of years.
Since the two stores are within 5 minutes of each other and there are other reasons to go to each (brands, deli, bakery,etc.) I split the vegetables while I’m at it.
Fair enough. I don’t know that I’ve ever had a grocer with consistently bruised/rotted onions. I’ll go ahead and put that in the plus column.
Cool! I’m not growing as many tomatoes this year as some years — we’ve gone in heavily for strawberries and herbs this spring, and potatoes this summer — but I’ve got a Brad’s Atomic Grape and an Indigo Ruby starting to set fruit.
In this heat?! Masochist.
edit: or sadist, no judgement.
This is how the world works. On Reddit there were multiple subs that covered the same topics, but the mods developed different cultures and vibes through moderation tactics and sub policies.
If you want a car, there are different companies who all provide one but with different options. Same goes for ISPs, TV networks, restaurants, and schools.
It isn’t at all a new concept and I’m not sure why people coming from reddit continue to get stuck on it. Subscribe to them all and as they mature unsub from the ones that develop into something you don’t feel like you need.
Posting to all of them will be easier when cross posting is possible on Kbin (it is already possible on Lemmy) but developments like that often take time.
Adding an edit as I’ve thought a bit more: I think it’s important, for those coming from reddit, to truly understand why the Fediverse exists. The intention is to be open source. To ensure that there is no single source of power. There are ‘unlimited’ options (instances, magazines, etc.) to ensure that it cannot be swayed, corrupted.
This is why people are coming from Reddit - you are seeing what happens when one corporation has the power and sets the terms.
I think it’s lovely to dip your toes here, ask questions, and see if you’d like to stick around. But please do understand the intention is not to be Reddit 2.0. We should not try to turn it into that.
I think this answer is the most accurate. People get too hung up same names on different servers. There will always be multiple versions of a community whether they have the same name on different servers or whether one of them snagged the og name and others prefixed with Real_x / True_x. Imo I like it this way better because there’s less favoritism to the one that comes first / people can’t universally squat on a community name
I think the key for people who are confused about this is that it’s necessary to consider the part after the “@” to be just as much a part of the community name as the part before it. There’s no such thing as a community named “No Stupid Questions”, with no @whatever after it, because all community names inherently include that portion.
As an alternative solution there are issues for “multireddit”-like features, this issue for Lemmy, and Kbin has one here.
Very well said. Great call out.
It isn’t at all a new concept and I’m not sure why people coming from reddit continue to get stuck on it.
Because having communities with an identical name on different instances will fracture the community. Given the hallmarks of the fediverse this is practically intended, to my understanding, but it is bad for initial growth and coherence of posts. This happened on Reddit as well, of course it did, but the way instances are completely separate and communities can have the exact same name compounds the issue.
Because having communities with an identical name on different instances will fracture the community.
They’re different communities on different websites, though. Trying to force them all into one space is erasing all communities but one, just for the sake of having to see an @website.com address, or for pretending you’re not missing out on something when you ignore 99.9% of posts and comments that end up in the space.
1 million users discussing a topic spread out across 1000 communities of 1000 active users leads to more vibrant and meaningful discussions on that topic than having 1 million of them all crammed into one place, shouting and competing for slivers of attention. And no one will miss anything of deep value in the 999 other communities, because people will cross-post the good bits anyway.
For the record I don’t think what OP describes would be right. But I am certain there are better ways to mesh together disparate feeds into one and have all discussion at least be cross-referenced - something better than just crossposting. Because while
1 million users discussing a topic spread out across 1000 communities of 1000 active users leads to more vibrant and meaningful discussions on that topic
May be true, it doesn’t hold true at smaller scales; a hundred users spread out across ten communities of ten active users each is pretty much a ghost town.
Indeed, there’s a viability threshold for a community, and it’s probably on the order of 100 active users. Having them spread out isn’t doing any of them any favours.
But that points to the need for and importance of discovery tools. Community tags, better search, better federation tools, better back-linking and cross-posting tools, user-defined lists, etc. The Misskey/Calckey “Antenna” saved-search feature would actually be very powerful in the threadiverse, particularly if coupled with community and post tags, and would really improve the visibility of new or undersized communities to those who are looking for them.
But forced amalgamation across independent and independently operated websites definitely isn’t one of them.
I don’t think it should be forced, but I think some kind of option for “amalgamation” should be available, either user-side (multireddit-esque thing, etc.) or community-side.
If communities want to amalgamate, they can just collectively choose to use a different community. Negotiate mod status for the immigrating mod team, and abandon the old instance. With small communities, this is feasible. With large ones, it’s not, as a significant number of members won’t want to amalgamate. And they shouldn’t have to.
At the user level, lists and antennae would give users a lot of power to shape their streams.
Yeah let’s get to that million first before splitting everyone. It’s really not helpful in the current state.
And there are actually options besides “this is how it currently works so it’s good”. Like some kind of federated communities/magazines where when you post to one it’s posted to all of them. And I’m not saying it would be technically easy to implement, I have no idea, but I’m saying there are always room for improvement.
Near-identical communities/magazines with the same exact goal isn’t practical.
I think a lot of users on Reddit (including some who gave migrated to kbin/Lemmy) haven’t experienced a lot of the forum and IRC era of the internet.
As you’ve mentioned, “fractured” communities can actually be beneficial since each contribution is that much more valuable and nuances can actually exist between the similar communities. It allows things like the instance I’m on where I know I’m more likely to get a Canadian perspective in the communities on lemmy.ca versus other instances. To me that’s a huge feature over centralized platforms where those nuances would get drowned out.
There is no “the community”, though. These names don’t “belong” to any one specific group of people, there’s no “there can be only one” mandate.
As an example of why “there can be only one” is a bad thing, there’s /r/StarWars and /r/SaltierThanCrait over on Reddit. When the Disney Sequel trilogy came out there were some Star Wars fans who liked it and some who didn’t, and it became such a contentious subject that those who didn’t like it were literally driven out of /r/StarWars and had to create /r/SaltierThanCrait so that they could discuss their opinions without being downvoted into oblivion or outright banned. Why should they have had to give up the name StarWars, though?
Another example is /r/Canada and /r/OnGuardForThee, which was a similar sort of schism - /r/Canada got “taken over” by right wing moderators and those who weren’t of that particular political bent ended up having to make a subreddit with an unrelated name. Why should one group and not the other get to name their community “Canada”?
You make good points. I think name squatting and squabbling over who is the “real” community was prevalent on Reddit, and the way it works here fixes that.
But I still think that a downside of decentralization like this is splitting the activity up, sometimes unnecessarily, and making discovery of new communities just a bit harder. It’s not a deal breaker by any means, but I think it’s an issue that will have to be addressed either by Lemmy UI updates or third parties.
There are feature requests in both Lemmy and Kbin’s issue trackers for “multireddit”-like functionality, that might help when implemented.
It would help, but frankly I think there needs to be more - both because it would be helpful and because, up to this point, Lemmy is mostly following in Reddit’s footsteps in terms of features.
Consider a “multipost” option, on top of the existing crosspost. Multiposting something to another community would push the post as-is (no edits allowed) there, then collate all comments across all communities it had been multiposted to into one comment section displayed on all of them. The original community each comment chain originated on could be marked on the parent comment, and child comments could automatically be routed so they originate from the parent community of the chain.
Just spitballing here, but something like this would help bridge the gap a lot more than just a multireddit port.
there’s /r/StarWars and /r/SaltierThanCrait over on Reddit
Those two spaces had differing stances.
There also the case of InterestingAsFuck as opposed to DamnThatsInteresting, because why the fuck does “Fuck” have to be in the title?But then there’s shameless karma-farming duplicates, like ComedyCemetery and ComedyNecromancy.
Starting up is always hard. Short of copying over a subreddit to a declared official new home (which did happen for a few), you have to build up from nothing. I think it’s come a long way in only the last few weeks. I’ve already seen a post complimenting the response time and answers from a Lemmy community when the Reddit posts went ignored, and also I’ve seen one community owner realize that the other communities of similar names are doing much better and decide to close up. Another group decided the best solution was not to try and pull in other communities, but act as a general discussion that also served to link up the many specific niche communities distributed throughout Lemmy and Kbin. Lastly the attacks on .world and .ml serve as a reminder of the benefits of having duplicity. What if one of those had been a long-time established home of a community with millions of posts and got wiped from such a thing?
This is evolution in action, what works best will prevail, and part of that will be redundancy and adaptive ability.
It’s a sticking point because it’s new to people who only have experience with reddit after it became more mainstream. Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon, etc. and how they all work together isn’t a super simple concept. For all the shortfalls of a centralized social media website, the prevention of multiple separate communities having the exact same name is convenient and simple. It prevents duplicated posts. You want to capture all of the traffic in one place. That’s why link aggregation sites and blogs exist, so in order to do that you have to subscribe to all of them. But then there’s a pretty significant chance you’ll see the exact same post cross-posted to the other 3 communities…which would annoyingly bloat your feed obviously.
the prevention of multiple separate communities having the exact same name is convenient and simple
Except for when those communities have names that aren’t intuitive in any way, or the intuitively named communities are full of off-topic content.
I’m not going to say that reddit is the bastion of how to properly run a website. Clearly r/trees r/marijuana r/earthporn so on and so forth is super unintuitive, but until the concept of how the fediverse works becomes more common knowledge, we’ll have to help new members along. It’s taken me a little more than a week to even get remotely comfortable with how it works.
I only just learned today that I can’t see content from users on instances like lemmygrad because the instance that I joined has it blocked. I didn’t even really realize what I was doing at the time. Fortunately it’s something I also would have done, but my point still stands that its not something that’s immediately apparent or intuitive.
And you can’t see content from Facebook on Reddit, or from Twitter on Instagram.
The part that’s unintuitive is that you can see content from users on lemmy.world or lemmy.ml.
Even doing this for a month now I still forget that a lot and treat posts like Reddit posts. Being a Kbin user, I have to constantly stop myself from replying to questions about Lemmy and app suggestions for features that I already have thanks to script mods. And that’s even with mods that highlight the post isn’t from Kbin!
when cross posting is possible on Kbin (it might already be on Lemmy, not sure)
For your own awareness, cross-posting is available on Lemmy.
Nice! Thanks for the info :)
It seems to just copy the text with an intro bit, though, which doesn’t feel great.
This was really well said!!
I’m here from Reddit and that’s what I’ve been doing, just subscribing to whatever I can find for each subreddit I’m losing, and then whichever one seems like it’s either most active or has the most quality content stays and I unsub from whatever sublems aren’t providing content.
This OP seems pissed off about subbing to multiple sublems that are the same but like…you don’t have to. Go use Reddit? lol
The multiple sublems thing is kinda the point of Lemmy, there isn’t one big overlord controlling everything
Cross instance communities or a way to stich these places together better needs to happen though. Splinter groups making their own community is fine, but there needs to be some main communities for things.
It’s not just a make it more like reddit need. If lemmy.world decides to defederate like beehaw (or goes down), then all that content is gone from lots of other people, and the fediverse as a whole loses. If there exists a way to blend communities, then maybe people only notice less posts on memes rather than just an empty void.
It’s also a huge discovery problem, some people are going to think there isn’t an active NSQ community, and maybe try making yet another, because the didn’t find the one active community. It’s also possible that there’s 5-10 small/tiny- communities that could become a single thriving community of they were able to actually discover and coordinate with each other.
Discovering new communities that share names and topics will be the biggest core improvement in my opinion. Like having a way for an instance to poll all federated instances for communities with the same name or with a name that includes a term to easily add would be awesome.
Then the ability to combine them into subsets of your siscriptions by whatever topic you want would be awesome. Like instead of subscriptions as a while you could have ‘Tabletop Gaming’ with various 40k, CAV, BattleTech, and other games grouped how you want or subgroups for each game.
No, just subscribe to the most active one.
Or three Incase that one goes down
no, subscribe to the ones that follow the same ethos as you do. larger is not always better
Did you consider the ethics and morals of every subreddit you subscribed to? I don’t think the average user really cares about that.
No, not every. But for things like world news/memes/etc then yes the instance does play a part in what I have subscribed to
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you fundamentally misunderstand lemmy. These are all independent communities, hosted by different admins.
Which is stupid.
Not really, it’s just not Reddit
Of course you’re welcome to that opinion but it’s a fundamental design feature of the fediverse.
There’s no central point of control. Anyone can create an instance and create their own “No stupid questions” community.
There are obvious benefits if you’d care to consider them but if not it’s fine if the fediverse isn’t for you. There’s always reddit I guess.
There is nothing stopping the fediverse from checking with other instances to see if a name is already in use. That would be a pretty cool feature to avoid a whole bunch of duplication.
They’re not duplicates. Remember /r/games and /r/gaming? Both with unique moderation styles? Well now they don’t need different names.
Yup, this is just as easy If you notice one of the “nostupidquestions@fucknuts.com” communities is always posting edgy bullshit, you unsub and go on your way. No different than unsubing from “Actual” or “True” variants on reddit.
Yes there is.
It’s decentralised. There’s no central authority.
Even if lemmy imposed that restriction, you could just fork the code and remove it.
Wait, he’s got a point though: Why not something like this:
A user wants to create a new community. He enters a name, then the system checks and informs that “the fediverse already has a community by that name +here and +here.” The user may still create this same community on this instance - or he might say, hey cool thanks, and go subscribe to (one of?) the existing ones instead.
This would only help if people creating these communities were not aware that communities with the same name exist on other instances.
Even if this feature did discourage someone from creating a new community, some other fief lord would be along shortly to create it.
I did feel the same way about multiple communities initially, but now I’ve been here a while I realise that it’s just not a problem - just subscribe to all of them, that’s the solution.
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Ah yes, just like how having multiple email providers is stupid. We should all just use Gmail as a the single source of truth! /s
And confusing
This is the same thing as having a community on Discord, Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook, except you get the feature of them seamlessly working together.
Now I’m wondering if we could create meta subs that we could subscribe too…
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I think over time some instances and some admins will become more popular, and weed out the rest.
To some extent perhaps but I don’t think that should be the objective.
Just subscribe to all the “no stupid questions” communities. It’s no big thing.
New ones get created all the constantly. Are they supposed to spend all their time monitoring every instance for new variants of a community?
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I mean, this is how everything worked already. People start subreddits and have to get traction, make their way to /r/all, etc. Having ~one single space~ wasn’t magic, and things work exactly the same.
If you see a community that interests you, subscribe to it and be the change.
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It’s fine.
As the philosopher Macho Man said “The cream rises to the top”
It’ll take time but eventually everyone will merge into one major one unless some admin/mod shenanigans.
At least I think.
I actually think the fediverse is going to fracture very quickly. You’re going to have instances that will defederate with anyone that permits the slightest bit of anti-trans commenting and you’re going to have instances that will make 4chan look inclusive and will defederate from anyone posting “woke bullshit”
Ive posted on here before that its only a matter of time before someone like Volkswagen-Audi start their own instance so they can control the narrative and push their own content too.
And I can ABSOLUTELY see paid only instances for well moderated kid friendly content and also hardcore porn.
Yes, it will fracture, but hopefully at the fringes, as you mentioned. So thsie with extreme views find it difficult to get traction due to lack of users or lack of places to post.
It should mean that we don’t get brigading from communities. You can just block them. It should.nean that there are safer communities but they miss out on some content.
At the moment, the only large communities are general. That may change over time. I do hope that companies start their own instances. Not to control the narrative, but to be their official communication. I don’t want commercial users using the community instances.
Again, then, they can be blocked but also, they can be verified.
The issue as I see it is that once Meta or someone similar can start pointing to far right instances, child abuse materials or anything of the like and start painting Lemmy as a whole as the new 4chan “radicalising and grooming the children” only to release their “new app” which is just their instance then the “free fediverse” is going to BE the fringe.
Large companies will have no desire to be involved with “that place” because the sanitised, community guidelines having, data farming goliath will have 2 billion users. Why risk the bad pr?
Why risk the bad PR of being on meta when you can be on your own instance that any other instance can access.
It’s like email. People don’t hold Google responsible if someone emails them with profanity.
I expect there will be sanitised versions and free for all versions. Moderation will differentiate but it may be that it’s send regulated, like porn on NSFW instances.
One thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve blocked the NSFW instance from my feed and any comments from there are blocked too. So users from instances with a lot of NSFW content may find they have less engagement. L it may be that more regulated instances have less freedom of speech but more people to listen.
Likely the realiry will be somewhere in the middle.
I think you have a very optimistic outlook on people. We understand how the fediverse works but I wouldnt trust most people to differentiate between the app and the content it serves.
Perhaps, once legal consequences of comments start kicking in here and there, the Fediverse will tend to remain fragmented to avoid having very large communities that also happen to act as a lightning rod for litigation
Why would they face any legal consequences any more than any other social media? The platform would not be liable for the content of its users. Obviously, they are responsible to remove illegal content, like child porn.
You have to have the ability to advocate for your rights under the law. Even if there are laws saying that the platform is not liable for content of the users, there can still be nuisance suits or prosecutions. Even if those actions are frivolous, it still costs to respond to them. They generally can’t be ignored.
Not more, necessarily, but definitely more exposed as smaller servers won’t have legal and regulatory compliance teams supporting them
Why would they face any legal consequences any more than any other social media?
Instance location. Content comes at you from all over the Fediverse but once its in your instance it’s actually located on your server. It’s obvious how even regular NSFW stuff can be a problem if your instance is sitting in a ME country but perhaps less obvious (and more troublesome) is text based content.
For instance if a user is enrolled on an instance located in Germany and then subscribes to Neo-Nazi content from an instance located in the United States. That NN material is now on your instance but much of it is probably illegal in Germany. What happens when the German Authorities find out and come knocking?
Even “Child Porn” isn’t nearly as cut and dried as most people think. Things like /c/tinytitties or /c/flatchested from lemmynsfw are arguably illegal in a place like Australia since the person can be perceived as under-age due to their physical characteristics. It gets worse when you toss in the AI Generated stuff.
Big Tech does a lot of juggling trying to stay clear of these problems and they have large legal teams to help them when they run into trouble. I rather doubt that most instance admins have the resources for it.
I run this instance for loggers
This. For now, what I do is join the ones that seem to have momentum with active posting. Eventually one will be dominant and I’ll drop the dead ones.
Everyone’s going to say No, and “just subscribe to the most active one”, but if you’re a ‘Fediverse completionist’ and want to ensure that there’s not a single thing you miss anywhere at any time, then the answer is Yes.
Fomo isn’t real, it can’t hurt you.
Correct. Ultimately it’s up to each person how much they want to extend themselves into the Fediverse. You really can’t follow everything everywhere all the time, so you need to pick what you want your feed to consist of.
I’ve subscribed to any redundant tech / IT security related communities no matter how many of them there are, because I always want to stay current on any news that could impact the network environment I manage.
On the other hand, I like seeing some memes, but memes@lemmy.ml will absolutely flood your front page if you subscribe to it, so I stick to a few smaller meme subs like starwarsmemes@lemmy.world, risa@startrek.website, and lotrmemes@midwest.social.
I hate to tell you this but fears can absolutely hurt us.
Good thing I play any%.
It would be cool if from your subscribed communities, Lemmy would let you group the ones that are the same but are on different instances.
So if the same article is posted on two or more of the grouped communities, then it would merge the comment sections into one.
if the same article is posted on two or more of the grouped communities, then it would merge the comment sections into one.
Or just drop the dupes. There are so many bots posting the same link to almost-the-same communities with no comments.
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There’s sooo many ways to improve quality of life in the fediverse.
That’s an extremely generous way of putting it. 😂
I hope some of the app features make it back into the server. Stuff like blocking instances, collapsing dupes, etc are quality of like stuff that makes Lemmy bearable.
No. You don’t have to. But if you want to throw a wide net and not just wind up with a singular place with a unified mentality, it’s good to have multiple places focused on the same topic. For perspective.
Ask yourself if you subscribed to /r/tech or /r/technology or both or neither (or /r/pics, /r/pic etc., whatever you jam is) and you will have your answer.
A community name is just an address, both on Lemmy and on Reddit. It never mean that that address had the exclusive rights to a topic.
Yeah, this actually happens on Reddit a fair amount. Off the top of my head, there’s /r/tearsofthekingdom and /r/totk which both have 100,000+ subs, and /r/nsfw_gif and /r/nsfw_gifs that have millions of subs.
EDIT: There’s also /r/gaming and /r/games which was a notable early community split when people started complaining that /r/gaming had too many low-effort memes.
If I send an email to support@microsoft.com, it should be copied to support@gmail.com because it is the same thing, right?
Lemmy isn’t Reddit. It has similar capabilities, but it is fundamentally different. Think email or web hosting, not one stop shop.
I see your point but this is not a valid analogy
Choosing different communities with the stated purpose is all about context: the policies of the mods, the policies of the admins, and the reputation of the instance. Yes, it isn’t a perfect analogy, but people need to shift how the think about the Lemmy/Kbin model from how they think about Reddit, and the example that seems to connect most easily with users is e-mail. Maybe a more subtle / apt analogy would be
!cool_game@lemmy.worldhas an obviously different context and significantly different content than!cool_game@coolgamedev.com, but the same stated purpose (and community name).The problem is that it isn’t just the users who are confused about this: Lemmy admins seem to each have the goal of being “the place to be”, and Kbin goes out of its way to devalue off-instance content. I personally think (primarily) user instances should be separate from (primarily) content instances, but that would take a coordinated effort by the admins. We are starting to see some grass roots efforts at making that happen, though the actions of the admins may prevent that from taking hold.
So? Reddit has about 10 sizeable Subs that are just a variation of “Ask Any and All Questions”. That’s not even counting speciality subs like “MedicalQuestions” or “ITQuestions” or “DermatologyQuestions” or “AskTrangender”. Or the different language ones like “FragReddit” (German). In the end 1-3 will become the major ones, all will be a bit different and everyone will find the ones they like most.
No offense, but you’re argument reveals that you’re thinking of all this fedi stuff as a service provided to you, like Facebook or reddit.
It is not. It is people like you and me creating and taking part in them.
These tools are BRAND NEW. It is likely the creators of one didn’t know about the other(s) at that time. This is US doing all this for US not a corporation making tools to suck people in to advertise to.
Not gonna crit you further. You probably don’t remember the internet before the corps ruined it.
Wait until they find out that there used to be hundreds of websites all talking about the same thing?
And it was magical.
Can you be any more condescending? Op has a point, it is not ideal to have the same community on different instances. There is no need to be a dick about it.
Sorry, didn’t mean to be dickish. I just reread my post. Saying “sounds like you’re expecting a corporate experience” was an observation is not an insult.
Decentralized stuff is fundamentally different than centralized coordinates corporate stuff. Serious question, do you understand how it is that so many people can start so many similar communities?
It’s not the same community. It’s 5 different communities on 5 different instances that all happen to have the same name. It will be the owners of those communities to determine whether or not they want to consolidate.
Yeah, as someone who used to frequent car forums back in the day, one way I think about it is you might have Mazda, Subaru, Ford, Chevy, etc specific forums. And they all had subsections devoted to suspension upgrades, with a lot of content that would look really similar to someone just getting into cars. But they also met the different needs of the different communities, and had their own vibes and culture.
Now imagine all those communities could interact with each other directly, and you end up with something like what we’re getting with the Fediverse.
Or maybe I’m just too hung up on analogies, idk.
Oh dude you just reminded me of the guitar tab websites. Those were fun and fucked up all at the same time.
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Thw internet was much better before corporations dug their teeth in.
Better as in more information, much of it useful, but far less monetary reward for narcissism.
You have stepped through the Looking Glass, Alice. Welcome to the
MultiFediverse.Begin at the beginning, then continue until you reach the end. Then, stop.
I mean, are you really that concerned that you might miss some random question on one of the less popular ones?
I’m going to guess yes
It’s an example. If there are multiple instances of a thing do I need to subscribe to all of them? The answer is yes. It’s different from Reddit but there are pro and cons.
The answer is no. You don’t NEED to subscribe to all of them. If you want to make absolutely sure you don’t miss a single thing everyone says on that topic, then maybe you do. But if you are just interested in electric cars, you can just pick the most active one of the one with the most subscribers. Even on reddit there were both /r/electriccars and /r/electricvehicles.
While I agree with what you’re saying in terms of seeing posts, the flip side is wanting to make a post visible to as many users are possible gets tougher.
Say I have a problem with my MicroSonySonic MPZoomPod that’s driving me crazy to figure out, so I figure I’ll post on Lemmy about it and see if anyone else has had that problem and a solution. In the reddit days, I just go to /r/MPZOOMPOD, or I google for “reddit mpzoompod” and find the subreddit. I can now post there knowing I’m hitting the entire community of mpzoompod users, or at least the majority of them. To do that on Lemmy, though, I now have to wonder if instead of a single community with 120k users, I have 12 communities with 10k users. So either I post to a tiny fraction of the communty, and thus have a much lower chance of getting my question answered, or I post the same thing to 12 different communites and have 12 different threads to keep track of for replies.
Obviously this is simplified, cause more likely there will be on big community somewhere, a couple other smaller versions, and then probably a couple completely devoid of posts from when people were first migrating to Lemmy and were excited to start communities.
Anyway, that was kind of a lot, but I think it really comes down to the subject matter. I don’t need 5 versions of showerthoughts, and I don’t care if showerthoughts has 1k subscribers or 1m subscribers, but if I really wanted showerthoughts to grow in popularity, the more people using one copy the better. Alternatively,it would be rad if /c/googlepixel or whatever wasn’t fragmented so I could know I was looking at the most likely source of information.
It’s all kind of an interesting thing to think about, and I can’t decide just yet which way I’d personally prefer. I remember reddit before all the digg people piled in, and I liked how it felt more like a community back then, but I also can’t disregard how incredible reddit has been in recent times for finding answers to specific questions, or getting news, or finding fans of a particular subject just because it became the default website to look for that stuff.
You don’t have to if you don’t want to. Subscribe to the one you like best, and help grow that one.
Personally, I find myself only subscribing to and browsing communities on the local instance. The idea of the Fediverse is cool and all, but it’s just way too much information for one person to process.
This where I’m at. I’ve given up on any content that isn’t on Lemmy.world
Federation is honestly a lot more trouble than it’s worth and I wish a different system had been implemented. Unfortunately it’s too late to change that.
