• chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        24·
        6 months ago

        In fairness, it’s probably a psychological defence mechanism put in place to prevent the mention of St*ckport causing emotional damage.

        • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          I understand why they do it. After all, they do dominate western media and internet so to them it is the majority of content they see.

          Edit: Although, this is feddit.uk, but again I often forget to check where I am.

          • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.ukOPEnglish
            5·
            6 months ago

            Where you from for this Stockport hate?

            I don’t hate Stockport except for comedy purposes. I had a nice day out there a month or two back and it’s got a lot going for it.

            As a Manc my major beef is with the Scouse.

            Well you aren’t going to like my answer then…

              • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.ukOPEnglish
                3·
                6 months ago

                My Mum was from Manchester, so it makes things complicated. It’s much easier to hate Southerners.

                Plus 0161 > 0151

                Wait until Preston hears about this kind of argument!

      • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        64·
        6 months ago

        Well, amongst the English-speaking World the US does have more population than all of the others combined (even including South Africa’s 60 million people) so it’s kinda undertandable that in an English-language forum sooner or later an American will come and start talking about the stuff within their own life experience.

        That said, having lived in Britain for over a decade, I for one loved the joke :)

        • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          I did reference this in another comment further down.

          I don’t blame Americans for it. It’s natural. Even though it’s a UK instance, we don’t always check where we are

          Edit: Not sure why you being downvoted for this.

          • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            6 months ago

            Well, this was funny enough to end up in the All feed of other instances, so I bet a lot of people didn’t even notice it was posted in a UK instance (I certainly didn’t).

            As for the downvotes, it’s probably due to pretty much the same reason as why as time goes by the probability of an American making a comment talking about America on a post in an English-language forum about a place other than America, becomes 100%, as I explained above: basically as the former probability becomes 100%, so does the probability that somebody by now well and trully fed up with such posts by Americans pops-up and starts downvoting anything in the least way seeming to justify it, since the two are correlated.

            It’s only natural ;)

    • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
      22·
      6 months ago

      I used to think that a small portion of humanity was pants on head stupid an just loud, but now it seems that the proportion is roughly half.

      • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.socialEnglish
        17·
        6 months ago

        Honestly, I dont think this is truly stupidity, at least beyond what is typical of everyone else, because intelligence is not the same thing as knowing facts. I dont think being uninformed is really the best word for it either, because if someone tells you something is true that conflicts with what you already think is true, just accepting this isnt really the intelligent thing to do, verifying it would be, and as most people do not have the expertise to verify most things, the best one can usually do is look to those one trusts as a source of information, and if the people that back up this new information are unknown to you but the people you already trust assure you that what you already believe to be true, is true, you dont really have a good reason to abandon that. What I think this is then is that a huge fraction of the population puts their trust in the wrong people, partly due to self perpetuating bad luck (one’s parents and family are likely to be the first people one trusts, and thus whoever they trust is likely to seem trustworthy to you as well, and if you are unlucky with what group you are born into and they trust the wrong sources of information, there’s therefore a decent likelihood that you will as well), and partly due to the fact that those that wish to intentionally deceive for their own ends are likely to know all kinds of psychological tricks to make themselves seem more trustworthy, and probably will be more willing to use them to manipulate public opinion to their own ends than an expert that just wants to share what they know.

        or for a TLDR: I dont think counterproductive political opinions like this are a result of mass-stupidity, I think they’re proof that propaganda works, and that under the right set of circumstances, you or I or anyone could be made to fall for them.

        • jjjalljs@ttrpg.networkEnglish
          6·
          6 months ago

          Yes, belief is social. What our in-group believes is way more important for what we believe and how we change our minds than one might think.

          Like, if someone is a flat-earther, changing their mind with facts and figures isn’t going to be very effective. Their in-group believes otherwise. And when you come at them with contrary facts, the brain treats it similarly to a physical threat to its survival. In ancient, pre-history humans, this might have been an advantage. The guy who didn’t go along with the group got left for dead. Unfortunately, modern life is more complicated.

          If we want to make the world better, we should probably focus on breaking up shitty ingroups (eg: fox news, the gop) and fostering groups that are worthwhile (I can’t think of an unassailable group, which may indicate another problem)

          • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.socialEnglish
            6·
            6 months ago

            An unassailable group seems impossible given that there shitty people out there, who if they join such a group, immediately mean that someone is not necessarily trustworthy because of merely being a part of said group. Even a belief that one’s group is an unassailable paragon seems problematic as if one truly thinks that one’s group is unassailable, then any accusation of wrongdoing by an outsider towards a member will get dismissed, and you could get a situation like some religious groups get with priests or others that they see as inherently good and trustworthy, where when an abusive person inevitably attains that status, allegations against them are dismissed and covered up.

            • idiomaddict@feddit.deEnglish
              3·
              6 months ago

              That is by far the most empathetic take on the Catholic Church I’ve ever seen. I grew up catholic, and I’m not there yet, but I find it admirable that you are :)

        • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          It’s not about lacking the hardware for thinking through complex things, it’s about thinking habits (non methodical, not validating conclusions, operating at a pure language level rather than at a very concrete and precise meaning level - which is why you see people dispute scientific conclusions based on their own definitions of words) and being emotional about it without the needed introspection to spot that and stop doing it (becoming wedded to the conclusions one reaches and take it really bad when they’re disproven, overestimating one’s knowledge and being unable to reevaluate that estimation because it feels unpleasant to admit one might not know something, wanting to feel one is winning the argument hence digging into ever more illogical arguments and basically ignoring the full picture when trying to “win by attacking the words of the explanation”).

          In the old days, people would yield to authoritativeness on domains outside their expertise, which is something that was abused (for example, look at how experts were paid by tobbaco companies to say that their products were no dangerous for Human Health or if you want a more recent example, look at the field of Economics) so now we have the problem that a lot of people think they’re as good as any expert even while not understanding even the most basic of basics of that expert domain (a quite common problem I see is people simply not knowing basic Statistics and assigning meaning and even motive to coincidences of random events or misreading as causation something that can just as easilly be correlation or even reverse causation).

          Most people don’t have training in Analytics or Science, so it makes sense that they just apply their day-to-day way of thinking (which has no method and using “common sense”) to any and all subjects including domains which are highly structured and can’t just be understood on face value or which are heavilly probabilistic and you can’t just apply the mental shortcut from day to day life (of the “if I thrown a stone it will fall” kind) to draw conclusions.

      • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        The proportion is roughly 30% but that 30% are much easier to rally and thus form a single large voting block.

        • u/unhappy_grapefruit_2@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          6 months ago

          How is the Russia-Ukraine war necessary to the conversation leap in logic is mental I don’t need to know nor do I give a flying fuck which side your on.

          Fuck zelensky, by the way :3

          Anyways back on to topic. NHS objectively isn’t good it’s crumbling under its own weight for various reasons. I’ve gotta wait 6 to 7 months for 1 appointment. And then be lead on a wild goose chase. I’m assuming you think that “taxing the rich” is going to fix this. Which it undoubtedly won’t. It wouldn’t be sustainable. Sooner or later. The NHS would run out of funds.

  • Zeshade@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    6 months ago

    Well personally I don’t care that much. Going there is probably also a lot of faff. If it took 5h to get there “door to door” maybe. I understand the people who would like to go there, though, I completely get it.

    To be given the chance to visit a safe friendly alien planet inhabited by intelligent species, now that’s something I’d like to do. Probably more for the cultural experience.

  • Moghul@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    6 months ago

    Damn, I’d go there even now, no need to guarantee security. Put my ass in a box to Jupiter with guaranteed no way back, I’ll go.

  • JackGreenEarth@lemm.eeEnglish
    7·
    6 months ago

    I would though, it would be an incredible view. But only in at least as much safety as in a car.

    • Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.socialEnglish
      17·
      6 months ago

      The monkey’s paw curls. You find yourself in the passenger seat of a luxurious, self-driving car, driving up into the sky with the moon directly in front of you. A speed limit sign flies past; “55 mph”

    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      Pretty much everyone who has been to space claims its one of the most transformative perspective changing things they have done.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        6 months ago

        Just wait until it gets filled with tourists.

        Nothing quite spoils even the most awe-inpiring experience than being surrounded by people who “just have to” vocalize (worse, as some kind of performance for those around them) how much awe inspiring the whole thing is.

        Mind you, I’m an introvert, so maybe it’s just me having trouble appreciating socially performative “awe”.

            • Tb0n3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              52·
              6 months ago

              Your point was poorly made. You responded to someone saying people’s perspectives change when they’re launched into space and then you said we should do it to more people. That would indicate you think there are a lot of people that need to have prospective changes, not that you think they should die.

              • TurtlePower@lemm.eeEnglish
                14·
                6 months ago

                It’s called a joke. Many could benefit from the perspective change, but a lot also need to just be launched into space. Man, Lemmings are fuckin stupid.

  • Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.eeEnglish
    6·
    6 months ago

    Guaranteed if there were home made sausage rolls on the moon it’d be colonised within days

    • rmuk@feddit.ukEnglish
      4·
      6 months ago

      The first is when something isn’t completely brit, the second is HM Government’s new cryptocurrency.

    • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.ukOPEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      You can have a British car but only British people are Britons.

      It gets more complicated in history as Britons referred to the Celtic people of Britain, as opposed to the Romans, then later the various other peoples who made up the rich tapestry of Middle Ages Britain: the Anglo-Saxons, the Vikings, etc. It’s why the British Isles includes Ireland because the Insular Celts were once all Britons.

      • BruceLee@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        I refuse. I refuse to be Briton and I refuse you as my king.
        Did you thought I would let it pass just because you have cake day? No sir, no…

        • GiveOver@feddit.ukEnglish
          1·
          5 months ago

          The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.

          • BruceLee@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            4 months ago

            Le royaume de Logres n’a jamais atteint les portes de mon pays et le fils de Pendragon n’a aucun allié dans mes terres. Accepte ta défaite et fait preuve d’humilité tant que je le demande courtoisement or me and my people shall teach you politeness by the edge of our…

            Forget about that I’m a pacifist. But still, I’ll pacifically reject your authority and the authority of whoever invested you with yours.

  • GeneralInterest@lemmy.worldEnglish
    63·
    6 months ago

    The thing is that you can’t guarantee safety. Things can always go wrong. Perhaps that’s why people are cautious about it.

    • eatthecake@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 months ago

      It’s a hypothetical, you’re supposed to ignore the logistics. That said, you are correct, a bunch of people cited this reason.

      • GeneralInterest@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Hypotheticals can be interesting but I think they’re more interesting when you think about how they would actually work in reality.

        Like if someone says “would you give up alcohol forever for £1 million”. Surely the interesting part of that question is thinking about how it would work in reality. For example would you be allowed to take the £1 million, invest it, end up with several million, then pay back the original £1 million so you can drink alcohol again?

        • eatthecake@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          You’re right, that’s a much more interesting question. Also, would my investment performance be improved by said motivation if i am an alcoholic? Would i stop wanting the booze by then? I don’t think gratification delay is a trait i possess so i would probably just take the money and switch drugs.

    • noobnarski@feddit.deEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      Everything can go wrong in one way or another, it just depends how high the risk is. People drive their car every day, even if there is a chance that they wont make it to the next day because of it.

      But the risk just isnt felt to be too high in comparison to the usefulness, or people wouldnt drive.

      If I knew that it was fairly safe to go to the moon, I would do it, even if it could mean that I dont come back, because it would be a pretty special experience.