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What a wild time to be around in. Imagine trying to explain to a Reagan republican in the 80s that by the 2020s they’d be following a guy who literally does nothing to hide the fact that he’s a Russian asset for an ex-KGB strong man.
The right really has totally collapsed the notion of fact based reality.
Well, Russia is not communist anymore, Reagan would be happy!
He might be happy about defeating communism, but he wouldn’t be happy about getting cozy with Russia.
My grandfather was happy to win WW2, but he never bought a German or Japanese car, you know? Also, he didn’t use the words “German” or “Japanese”, but that’s another story…
My grandfather was at Pearl Harbor, and the day he bought a Honda blew everyone’s minds.
And nowadays if it’s a CUV or SUV it’s probably as much made in America as any of the American brands.
I grew up in Detroit and my parents owned some of the only VWs (old Bugs and a Bus). They got some shit for it in the 70s-80s, but nothing like my aunt got when her dad (an engineer for Chrysler and lifelong devotee) bought her a ‘59 beetle in ‘59. The jocks at her school rolled it on its roof.
I’m trying to think of what my father is saying to himself. I would guess he’s just laughing at Tuck for being “a joke” without allowing any introspection whatsoever. :)
Finally, he’s home.
Nature is healing.
Holy fuck.
I wonder if this is when his fans clue in. They really should.
They won’t.
His fans think Putin’s Russia is the way to be. “You get your coin back when you return the shopping cart!”
“You could go to Aldi for that experience…”
“No! Become Russia!”
The best part of that was him claiming it would fix the homelessness problem here. No free carts, no homeless people pushing their belongings around the streets.
Clearly, where are the homeless going to get something as valuable as a quarter‽‽
Which fans, the ones moving to Russia, the ones that want the US to buddy up with Russia/Putin, or the ones that basically fantasize about electing Putin as US President?
Those people are thoroughly immune to reality. Not a chance.
They won’t. They fully believe that Russia is a better run country than the US. They truly believe that Russia is more free and has more rights than the US. Dictatorship is what they want.
They are clued in. it’s exactly what they want.
They won’t. The “conspiratorial left” had their version of this with Abby Martin. She was on RT I believe.
Who? Like I looked her up… but I’ve never heard of her. She’s certainly not nearly as high profile as Tucker Carlson. Maybe a more apt comparison would be if someone like Rachel Maddow left MSNBC and went to Russia for RT.
Definitely a fringe audience, I was just commenting on the fact that audiences won’t change their minds when their “favorite” talking head moves to a “concerning” platform.
Yeah but the entire point this is newsworthy is that Carlson is a huge figurehead for conservatives with a huge audience going working for Russian state media.
This woman is a relative nobody, even in lefty spheres. Her moving to RT isn’t going to make the same political waves as the former FOX News darling that is Tucker Carlson
That is the point of the article, but not the point the person I replied to was making. They just said they hope their viewers notice this and I was just using an anecdote to say they probably won’t care.
I understand who you were replying to but you gave an example of some random vaguely left leaning conspiracy theorist with very little following in general and compared her basically unknown presence to the absolute massive media presence that is Tucker Carlson, where nearly every person in this country has probably heard about him. He’s not on the fringe, he is the mainstream.
Pointing out she’s a leftist example of what Carlson is currently doing is just a straight up false equivalence. She doesn’t have the media following Carlson does, she doesn’t have the political sway Carlson does, she didn’t have literally millions of people watch her show every day.
Dont bury the lede, say exactly what you mean. What was the point you’re trying to make? Some leftist nobody joining RT is the same thing as the biggest media face of right wing propaganda? There’s only 2 reads for that line of logic, either left-wing conspiracy theoriests have just as much political sway as the oil baron funded propaganda machine? Or Tucky McNear Swanson-heiress Carlson, face of conservative media, joining Russian state media just isn’t that big of a deal?
I think you’re reading too much into what I said.
I literally meant to say one thing: people who want to follow someone won’t care where they go. They won’t process that information as something to be concerned about. That’s literally it. I wasn’t saying anything about the importance of the individual.
If it helps at all, I’m fairly far left and I’m not trying to defend anything. There’s no agenda here. I used her as an example because I was once one of those “conspiratorial leftists.” Everything was about the American Empire, and her going to RT if anything was an assurance that what she said wouldn’t be “altered” by US political pressure. That’s what I believe other people will think of Carlson as well.
Correction 05/21/24, 1:10 p.m. ET: This article was updated to make clear there is no evidence the Tucker Carlson Network has done a deal with Russian state TV.
They changed the article title and comment to correctly reflect the report that Russia is just playing his crap which says enough about his ideology. But real lax initial reporting standards…
Damn. The race to be first to report is a problem. It’s worse than the old race you see in movies and tv about broadcast news and newspapers.
Believe it or not, it’s better than it used to be.
That’s at least the 3rd time this week I’ve seen a news outlet push a misleading headline in its haste break a story.
I don’t like Tucker Carlson, but he’s doing the most American thing he can possibly do.
Name anything more American than giving zero fucks about the moral/ethical/destructive/antisocial implications of an action and TAKING THE FUCKING MONEY?
That is literally our most cherished core value in practice, prioritized higher than any other claimed values we pay lip service to. We literally make children go hungry and leave their public schools in underfunded ruin to cut our most zealous profiteer’s taxes and call it horseshit like “fostering self-reliance.”
I don’t like that about us, I don’t like us period. But it’s who we are, balls to bones. People either fucking each other over for moooaaaaaar money, or fantasizing about getting to be the ones doing it, when we aren’t shooting each other at least.
Our practiced values are wrong, and fully explain the hell we’ve made for ourselves. Tucker/Trump/Jones/McConnell etc people exist in prominence precisely because we celebrate/worship/emulate greed and the greedy instead of throwing rotten fruit at them when they show their faces. We literally beg life advice of our antisocial greed lords.
If this were all true we wouldn’t have Medicaid, Medicare, or social security. There wouldn’t be welfare, literally at all and Unions wouldn’t exist. Not to mention that slavery would never have been abolished.
There is a moral core that has run through this country since it’s inception that is currently being suppressed by the ultra wealthy in their race to gain more wealth and power through the use of social media platforms and most major media outlets. But there’s only so much their suppression can do before that moral core comes knocking at their doors and demands a reckoning.
If I was him, I’d be a little cautious about taking Russian money. It’s not about damaging your own reputation. (its already damaged anyway). Its about being subject to Putin and Russian oligarchs and getting unalived if failing to do certain things.
I recommend Tucker builds his Russian house without windows.
The best defenstration is a good offenestration
I don’t like that about us, I don’t like us period. But it’s who we are, balls to bones.
painfully honest; well put.
Traitor Carlson.
He is not producing a show for Russian state TV. Rather, Russian state TV has taken his episodes and is rebroadcasting them with Russian dubbing.
While still indicative of the kinds of views Carlson has and espouses, it is different than what the headline here suggests.
It’s like a bad joke.
Literally had to check a few times to make sure I wasn’t eating the onion 🧅
Stranger than fiction
It’s
likea bad joke
The Onion has gone so hard recently, and real stories have gotten so bizarre.
I’m really getting confused.
The powers that be have allowed The Onion to author reality “for the lulz.”
“Along the way, The Onion’s journalists have garnered a sterling reputation for accurately forecasting future events. One such coup was The Onion’s scoop revealing that a former president kept nuclear secrets strewn around his beach home’s basement three years before it even happened.”
When we entered the LHC black hole, I expected space and time to swap, not reality and satire.
Now this i DID have on my 2024 bingo card, right in the center as a given point.
Of course he did, he’s like a stereotype “Red” agent out of the Cold War. He will be living and thriving there once Dems take everything back. Good riddance.
I wish I had your optimism.
All I see in our future is Mango Mussolini and the heritage foundation/federalist society running rampant completing their fascist theocracy…
But hey, at least we taught Democrats a lesson…
It’s a long time to the election, and the more he gets to speak the more 30% of the country loves him and 60% hates him. Fight for it, but have faith. Pro-Trump rhetoric anecdotally seems much, much lower than in 2020. Fewer bumper stickers and yard signs. But I live in Michigan where the party is broke and shattered.
I think Dobbs actually broke the backs of centrist conservatives. Trump is running rightward to gain ever more crackpot voters for his base and I think there is a huge disillusioned middle.
How much more proof do people need that shows this fuck along with Fox News and the Republican Party that they’re Russian informants, propagandists, useful idiots or all the above? The critical thinking in this country is beyond abysmal.
People who can stand watching Tucker at all already have brain worms. What is that racist screed he did about diversity, didn’t it essentially boil down to, “what if I go to my hometown and hear Spanish? What if an ESL barber gives me a bad haircut?” Only a dimwit who has already chosen racism over thinking about anything would listen to that without recoiling in revulsion.
The Russian informant part is a benefit to them
😂
It shouldn’t be long until a streaming link is available via truth social.
But he already had a show on Fox, and has a show on Twitter. How’s this any different?
