“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”

The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.

But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.

Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”

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    some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump

    Yep, these people are fucking morons.

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      We don’t get good support from this one guy, so we want to make it so the guy who promises to fuck you over gets elected.

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      I get your point of view because the alternative is surely worse, but from their point of view, their people and for some their own families are the ones who are dying.

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      Yeah, they’re morons for refusing to vote for a guy killing their friends and families. Maybe you should work harder to move the Dems away from supporting genocide.

      They’re not voting for Trump either. They’re exercising their democratic rights. Biden should earn their votes, not be entitled to it because one guy is less overt about doing genocide.

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        You have a gun with one bullet. Should you shoot the guy who says he’s going to stab someone or shoot the guy who says he’s going to blow up a daycare full of children? Hmm. Better exercise your moral highground and do nothing. That’ll show’em!

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          What a nonsense imaginary situation you’ve made up to excuse your favored genocider-in-chief. If you ever wonder how the Holocaust could’ve been allowed to happened, just look at your own posts trying to justify genocide happening right now.

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          At what point will you be asking yourself why it is that you are being forced to make choices like that? If you normalize this, you are signing on to it.

          The people walking away from Biden refuses to do so… and your only response is to smugly lecture them?

          Yeah… Trump is going to be your next president. This whole “lesser evilism” bullshit the Dems have been peddling for years now was going to hit rock-bottom at one point or the other. Guess what… that time is now.

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      The true morons are biden and his supporters who think supporting genocide is more important than winning the election. Stop supporting genocide and you get their votes. Seems like a win-win, but I guess biden and his supporters think that’s too much winning. Typical democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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      it’s not a kind of cut off one’s nose to spite one’s face fucking morons. If they don’t do that, they’ll be played around over and over again. If they’ll do that, it will be a lesson not to trivialise their importance. When Trump is back it can be worse but now the sentiment around the world is changing, which can help to control Trump which which will deem him to be at the same level with Bibi which will leave him isolated, which is good. So, it’s not moronic but a rather calculated risk.

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        Yeah sure, Trump will surely be controlled

        Just like Franz von Papen ensured Hitler could be easily controlled once Hitler was in a position of power:

        “In two months, we will have pushed Hitler so far into a corner, he squeaks!”

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          Not that kind of control. Much like the way Bibi is being controlled right now, in which of now in which as of now he would already have a full ground attack on Rafah if not because of the dwindle support from the world community. The ‘Good’ guy needs the support of world community to maintain its moral legitimacy; if not they will have to transform into being the bad guy - which is not the option for the US. The hypothetical Trump can choose that path but he will further be isolated and the US will no longer hold the reverent supremacy as before. This is never the favorable path in line with the long term geopolitical strategy of either the US or Israel.