Edit: Seems like the Mod-Logs are public, so it’s not ‚secretly‘. My preferred mobile app doesn’t show this and for me the post just disappeared from my history.
Anyway, the breach of rule I allegedly did is obviously an excuse to block inconvenient opinions as it’s not at all related.
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I’ve seen so much hate for .ml. Can someone explain it to me? It’s one of the first to popup on https://join-lemmy.org/instances and their front page seems to be tech stuff and some politics.
Well I liked the idea of a community more focused on the global south. However, I often was confronted with hate and (imho) unjustified bans and deleted comments when saying that imperialism is bad, doesn’t matter who is doing it. Many people there seem to think that invading foreign countries and killing people is fine as long as it’s not done by the USA, Israel or European countries. They are the only evil ones but others (especially Russia and China) can bomb whoever they want. As I’m not silently disagreeing with that, I had some trouble with people there. But make your own experiences and choices. For sure there are also nice and reasonable people there. I would like to see more content from/about the real global south!
Just the general vibe they give off. Very disingenuous imo. Which is unfortunate cuz i always thought Marxist-Leninsts were suppose to be for — woah ok i did some quick reading and Marxists and Leninists are not the same as Marxist-Leninists, they are three different groups, ive got so much to learn lol — ok sorry back to the comment.
If you post a source they will always try to discredit it somehow, claiming only their sources are “accurate” or “the truth”. Very derogatory/insulting/troll-ish.
Someone else described them as “r/the_Donald” of lemmy but are Marxist-Leninsts (hence .“ml”) instead of MAGA.
Just find out for yourself. Been here for years and always have been treated fine, but because my account is here, I’ve been treated like crap on several instances. It’s all bs if you ask me.
Generally, the .ml instance is where most of the tankies reside. They are critical of the US, which is fine, but are also hyper defensive of russia and china. So reasonable takes like “everybody should vote” are met with a dozen edge lords calling you a child murderer and screaming death to America.
some politics
Lol.
.ml is basically the /r/The_Donald or /r/Conservative of Lemmy. Not because they’re conservatives or support Donald Trump, but because they behave the same way. The vast majority of .ml users come off as preteen edgelords who think they know everything and constantly attempt to get others to start some revolution that they want to take place but are too cowardly to initiate themselves. If you don’t fall in line and agree with their extremist views, your comments are removed and you will likely be banned from their instance.
Many of them take anti-voting stances. Many of them want an anarchist system to replace democracy. They are extremely annoying and extremely ignorant. Obviously not ALL .ml users are like this, but so many of them are that the entire instance has earned a negative reputation on Lemmy. I was on Lemmy for all of a month before I found out for myself what the deal with .ml was. And it’s only gotten worse since then, especially leading up to this year’s election.
You should probably do what more and more of us are doing and ignore their comments and block their instance. It makes Lemmy a lot nicer to use.
FYI: This year I’ve noticed the dbzer0 instance trending in the same direction as .ml, so I’d keep an eye on their users as well.
Such an innocent take. .ml is a Chinese propaganda outlet masquerading as a far left American group.
masquerading as a far left American group.
Who said that we’re an “American group?” Some of our users (such as myself) are from the US, but we have people from all over the world.
But, I mean, it is true that the only possible reason anyone in the world would have for hating the US is if they’re on the payroll of the Chinese government, so I guess you’ve got us there.
Criticism of the United States is not why people point out that
.mlis a propaganda instance. Repeating chinese and russian propaganda is.FYI: This year I’ve noticed the dbzer0 instance trending in the same direction as .ml, so I’d keep an eye on their users as well.
Does dbzer0 also “repeat Chinese and Russian propaganda,” or are people lobbing the same accusations at them just because they’re also critical of the US?
“ml” is the subdomain for the country of mali, but here it’s short for “marxism-leninism”.
the developers of the lemmy protocol (not the fediverse as a whole, just lemmy) also run lemmy.ml as the “flagship instance”.
they are out and proud tankies, meaning their politics are reactionary america-bad first, and running full throated defense of russia, china, and north korea right behind that. despite the fact that none of these wannabe empires are politically even close to any marxist roots. any criticism or independent journalism is verboten.
many of the people on these instances are propagandized westerners, but there was also an observed drop in traffic following ukraine strikes on russian datacenters.
hexbear and lemmygrad are smaller, more commonly defederated instances with even higher concentrations of tankie bullshit. ml is the more moderate gateway that has established many foothold communities on the fediverse like the one OP is referencing.
also an observed drop in traffic following ukraine strikes on russian datacenters.
You will notice a pattern in the replies, and whenever the subject comes up, of thought-terminators designed to minimise your exposure to what the ml’s actually do say and believe.
If you care whether what you believe is true, I suggest taking a closer look for yourself.
I can’t speak for others, but I’ve had several posts censored. I even got demodded on a sub I created (/c/intelligence). In all instances, I never received a warning, notification, message or anything. My posts were just gone, my mod privs just removed without ANY contact from who did it or why.
Are you familiar with the mod log? It does seem like a flaw in the system if you don’t receive a notification of a mod action, but at any time you can search your user name and see what moderation has occurred. You can use this link to see your history:
Thank you for showing me how to look at mod actions taken against me. It still doesn’t explain who did it or why.
My Epstein/Mockingbird protest is a good example of exactly how my political speech has continued to be censored first on Reddit, and now here. They are completely afraid to even talk about it, which is why I never got messages or an explanation.
I’ve been protesting at Sun Valley for 6 years, and I’ve never been arrested or detained. I’ve slowly grown the number of protestors each year from 1 (me) to several dozen, including this year the local Boise Democratic Socialists of America.
My Epstein/Mockingbird protest is a good example of exactly how my political speech has continued to be censored first on Reddit, and now here. They are completely afraid to even talk about it, which is why I never got messages or an explanation.
That was done by the mods of Lemmy.world
The ML ban (not sure if that automatic removes you as a mod from any coms on that instance?) gave the reason of Rule 2 on the comment that was removed. Rule 2 is
Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.
I think it’s pretty easy to see why the comment
I’m savoring a delicious glass of raw unpasteurized, non-homogenized, non-industrialized bovine lactation as I surf Lemmy, and come across this crap? Go jump in a lake soy sucker.
was seen as disrespectful.
My understanding is that folks have issues with the instance rules. I struggle to understand why this is a problem, as it’s fairly easy to block an instance you don’t want to interact with.
My hot take is that the way Lemmy operates isn’t fully understood. There is no central admin team. Each instance sets their own rules and enforces them and each community has their own additional rules as well. It can be confusing at times because at a glance you might not realize you are interacting with a different instance and you may not be aware of their rules. Further to that, each instance admin can remove content/ban users for actions on other instances. When you make a report on a comment or post it goes to the community mods, and I believe at least the host instance admin and the user instance admin if not more admins.
It does sound like folks might be thinking they were secretly/silently blocked because they are not aware that the mod log is public. It sounds like folks are not notified when a moderator action is taken. I think a better understanding of what one is agreeing to when interacting with each instance would resolve a lot of problems.
In this post it sounds like a post was removed and then reposted a few hours later, resulting in a temporary ban. I’d ban the person too if I was a mod!But the Op didn’t seem to realize their post was removed and a reason given. If they did, they might not havereposted it.posted this meme in response, resulting in the ban.Edit to correct factual errors…
Small correction here: I did not repost the same thing. The ban happened because of my second post (that was the same meme like posted here).
My apologies for the error, I have corrected my post.
Apparently calling someone a slug is ableism. I was banned for 2 days for that.
The ban was from Hexbear not Lemmy.ML: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=24601588
Sitewide rule 14 is:
Also, when engaging with your fellow users please take the most charitable interpretation and assume good faith.
Interesting. The mod I guess messaged me afterwards and told me I was being ableist so I just assumed that’s why. I’m only on here on my phone so didn’t have an easy way to confirm the rules.
Are you using an app? I use Boost and I can click community info and then get the sidebar like this:
For instance side bars there is a menu item:
I do like using the web interface (even just on my phone) for some things though.
Ah thanks! That’s helpful info. Not sure who downvoted you for helping lmao.
My instance doesn’t have downvotes (and downvotes aren’t persistent like on Reddit) so there is basically no consequence if people want to use it as a disagree button 🤷♀️
I hate .ml. Bunch of pro-Russian stooges
It’s .ml, what do you expect? The community banned me for questioning their dogma.
Well I was joking mainly about US-Americans. But it seems current US-politics are fine for them there
Marxist-Leninist groups have been captured by Russian and Chinese state interests for decades. I’ve been hearing “you can’t be a leftist if you’re not against NATO” since Geocities was a thing.
Funnily the post showed two US-Americans and was joking about them.
Yes of course, the only possible reason to criticize the geopolitical bloc behind 75 years of wars, coups, terrorism and genocide is “state capture”
Have you also failed to notice that local leftists were the target of these operations approximately 100% of the time?
Funny how this “regime change” never seems to find it’s way to right-wing military dictatorships (unless they oppose the zionist colony of course)
Wake me up when you clowns criticize right wing governments like Putin’s.
Posts like this almost feel un-sportsman like. It’s just shooting fish in a barrel. Where’s the love of the game?
Didn’t you know that Our Noble Elites are always honest, especially about matters of war and peace
the only possible reason
Get a better straw man lmao
TIL strawmanning is when you do reducio ad absurdum, apparently
Did the original comment leave open an alternative possibility to “state capture” as to why people would question The Righteous Narrative?
Go on then, tell me how what I quoted is a logical consequence of the original post. You know, as a reductio would go, if that’s what it were.
I’ll brb as I have no popcorn.
I will gladly do so
Argument analysis:
Explicit Premise:
I’ve been hearing “you can’t be a leftist if you’re not against NATO” since Geocities was a thing.
Unstated major premise (laughably false):
There do not exist legitimate critiques against the NATO bloc
Conclusion:
[therefore] Marxist-Leninist groups have been captured by Russian and Chinese state interests for decades.
My response:
Parent commenter absurdly acts as if there is no other explanation, which is ludicrous. Parent comment likely commits “falacy of the missing middle” with the missing premise also being the most obviously false one. The great thing about a reducio is how it cuts through all that noise
Hope this helps
The missing part of this is how you decided that the “unstated” “premise” is a premise at all.
You didn’t show how it follows logically from the op’s statement so you failed. How predictable, all this popcorn was for nothing
Ok Captain Logic, show us your deconstruction of the argument and how it’s logically sound since you didn’t engage with mine at all
I’m especially interested in how you believe the argument should move from the single premise to the very distant conclusion without a missing premise
I predict that instead of actually analyzing the argument formally you will “Nuh-uh!”, then declare victory like you have done multiple previous times in this thread
Secretly? Mod logs are public.
Eta:
I admit, I was not aware of this, as it seems to be not featured in the app I’m using. For me, the posts just disappeared from my account history. So thank you for the correction!
Anyway, rule 1 because of the post is a joke. It’s absolutely not related
I’m not going to weigh in on if the post removal/ban is justified because it’s not my community and I’m not a mod. But if you didn’t know about the mod log, you may not know you’ve been banned before. Personally, I’m a lot less gracious when people repeatedly break rules:
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=25682582
There are two rule #1, one for the community and one for the instance so, it seems reasonable to message the mod and ask for clarification if you feel it is unjust.
That’s the interesting part. I was informed about the deleted comments and temporary bans in the past that were based on my comments (Imperialism is bad, doesn’t matter if done by USA or Russia or anyone else). Now there was no info about deleting my posts. However, it seems I was shadow banned from the whole community now, because I can’t see it anymore. Other communities on Lemmy.ml are still available for me, so it was just a personal problem with the local mods.
Shadow bans are when you can see and post but no one else can see your posts.
I’m not sure what you mean about no info about deleting posts? My understanding is a ban will not necessarily stop you from seeing the community, but it does unsubscribe you. There is an option to remove posts/comments when banning someone. I can’t speak to what would cause you to not be able to view the community at all. Do you want to post a screenshot to trouble shoot?
I can still your see older comments in the community. The screenshot is meant to demonstrate how you can search for them as well, it’s not the only comment there.
(I don’t have a .ml account, so I’m not logged in but I am searching directly from the lemmy.ml web interface because sometimes federation means searching from one’s own instance is a bit behind.)
If I understand what you have said in this thread, you posted once and it disappeared (corresponding to the “removed posts” mod log) and then you posted it again. I’m assuming that’s what the ban was about, and the ban could also remove the post.
We’re both just speculating. I think if you want certainty, it would be a good idea to message the mods or the instance admin for more info.
I don’t care so much for being part of this community, if those mods act like that. Not worth to discuss with them. However it’s interesting to experience the different types of bans and blocks.
In the past I was temporary banned. I saw the comments, but I couldn’t write any new ones for a while.
Yesterday my post was deleted without me getting any notification about it. The second post was different and the same happened. Still I was able to see the community. Now it’s not part of my joined communities anymore and if I search for it it doesn’t appear in the results. (You are right, shadow ban wasn’t the right terminology.) But it’s limited to the community, not to lemmy.ml because I still can see and join other communities there.
As previously mentioned, I’m on my phone (Blorp App), so it’s maybe different in the web browser.
In the past I was temporary banned. I saw the comments, but I couldn’t write any new ones for a while.
This does say temp ban too. Looks like it was for 7 days originally.
Totally get you aren’t eager to be involved with the community but my brain won’t let go of the unexpected behavior following the ban so I did a little test for myself. There is never any pressure to respond to a comment but I hope this won’t be unwelcome. I’m also sharing it it case it helps others. This isn’t meant as a “gotcha”, no judgment for it not being worth the effort in your end to figure it out. I block instances and comms without hesitation because I don’t like being angry lol
My first Lemmy account was on .world, so I still have that and I am mod to a now dead community.
I made a post in the comm from this account and I banned myself, selecting the delete content option as well. You can see that in the mod log:
(This looks different than the other screenshots I have shared because I figured out I could see the log in the Boost app lol)
So then I tried searching for the community from this account and it didn’t show up in search until I hit enter (i.e. the predictive list didn’t include it)
But I couldn’t make a new post:
I didn’t get a notification or anything, so I can see why that’s annoying for sure.
In the web UI I can see I’m banned if I look at the sidebar:
But no such luck in the Boost app:
Mods also can’t unban people unless they still have access to the post/comment they banned them for…which isn’t easy if you removed the post, so I guess I’m staying banned lol.
Anyways, You might try searching !memes@lemmy.ml, checking your own block list or yeah, checking the web interface. It could also be a federation issue which the ! in front of the comm name might help with.
Except “Rule 1” is completely unrelated
I can’t see the post so I can’t comment either way.
Rule 1 is “Be civil and nice”.
The post was this, which was always going to get removed on ml: https://media.piefed.zip/posts/Gu/HY/GuHYu0vuo4cEleW.jpeg
That is a clear violation of rule 1 It is very uncivil to say Russian spy without mentioning he is also a pedo
Could be the instance rule #1:
No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
It’s a catch all for anything that hurts little spez’s feelings.
Silently would be the better word
Asking for myself, are there best practices with respect to removing posts? I understood the expectation was to give a reason for the log.
In my ideal world, I would personally say replying to it with a quote / summary of the post itself (or maybe a link to the specific modlog (if thats possible even) before deleting it or whatever so that people can still piece together the thread / more easily “audit” mod integrity.
Might not be necessary tho, I generally use mobile so maybe you can see deleted comments easier on desktop?
I can see the value in replying so that the author is clear about what happened. I have seen quite a few posts where people don’t seem aware of the mod log and I don’t believe they are being dishonest, just not aware.
I believe deleted posts are not visible unless you are a mod/admin or the user who made the post.
Thanks for your reply!
And again. Lasted not even 14min
Yes but [whataboutism related to another country that everyone agrees was really shite on this particular occasion], liberal?
rightwingers love this shit as if they dont literally support Hitler reincarnated every single election
power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely…
nah fr though good meta.
Daily “lemmy.ml upset me and I need validation” post.
Thank you, 11 day old account, for your insight into the .ml problem on the fediverse!
So people should stop talking about a problem if everyone knows about it? because it’s annoying to you personally?
Kinda selfish
This is how I feel about all the people whining about constant us politics posts.
I mean, if those .mlers could just stop banning users for stupid reasons for one day, we wouldn’t get daily posts.
daily reminder that .ml unpaid intern ops have accounts on all sorts of different instances to make it less obvious when they dogpile valid critique
literaly that account LOL. 6day old bastard probably gets banned constantly because he can’t stand those “damn libs!!!”
You’d really think these folks could find something better to do with their time. Something less pathetic.
Everyone I don’t like is a fucking russki
I’m not racist though
That’s not what he said.
its almost with a conservative take too, which makes the out themselves.
First I’ve heard of this “daily reminder”. When did that start, when you pulled it out of your ass earlier on?
These validation seeking posts are pointless and annoying, everybody knows by now what .ml is like, so why have they left it unblocked, and better yet, why are they posting to its communities? It’s like you just enjoy the drama and whining. There’s a “valid critique” for you.
Also, a single user making a single comment does not constitute a “dogpile”. Seems like you need to look up what that word means. The very thing that happens when someone posts a comment that .worlders and piefed users don’t like on one of their communities. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
there’s literally no difference between literal state-funded psyops and the most popular normie instances
lol, you’re funny! i can’t see how many ml comments there are because i blocked that piece of shit instance forever ago :) dogpiles happen all the time but because so many of you do it for free, it’s not always organized!
everybody knows by now what .ml is like, so why have they left it unblocked, and better yet, why are they posting to its communities?
“everyone knows i’m a piece of shit so stop drawing attention to what a piece of shit i am” is just… really sad to even have to say, you know? if even one gullible moron can be detered from falling down that particular rabbit hole, i think i won’t shut up!
It’s like you just enjoy the drama and whining.
i enjoy clowning on the second most gullible idiots on the open internet! after sovcits of course. if this qualifies as drama to you, you should stay away from a career in theatre
I want everyone to know that I’m a tankie
You know what I said is true, but you can try and deflect all you like. Being called a tankie by a .worlder is a great badge of honor.
It is a badge of abject uselessness.
hey look a tankie alt account!
Back in the bin with you
