When the last tree has been felled, the last river poisoned, and the last fish caught, only then will the pale-faced man realise that money cannot be eaten.
As said Sitting Bull (Probably not the exact quote)
I recommand “Touch the Earth: A Self Portrait of Indian Existence” from TC Macluhan
You’d think the billionaires would know that
But a select few have so much money, they can ignore the consequenses for the duration of their lives. They don’t care what happens after that anyway.
Can they, though? I really cannot understand the appeal of spending one’s old age in a bunker. Not to mention knowing that your grandkids (most of them have multiple kids and seem to disproportionately care about “legacy”) will inherit an uninhabitable planet. You can survive in a bunker, but you cannot, for example, grow all kinds of exotic fruit in a bunker. You cannot take long walks in a bunker (I know they’re building huge bunkers but even that will get old after a couple years). Ultimately, they’re building life term prisons for themselves and their families, which is somehow fitting even if little consolation.
It would take nuclear war to require the rich to hide in bunkers. Climate change alone will not make the planet uninhabitable for humans. Of course, climate change is not the only factor contributing to the impending global ecological collapse, but even in a worst case collapse scenario, humans will survive. Life will be extremely unpleasant for most of us, but the billionaires would be just fine. That is, if we allow them to continue existing after their system of capitalism destroys everything. Hopefully it doesn’t take total collapse for us to gain class consciousness and achieve socialism though.
They don’t give half a shit about their grandkids. They didn’t get to where they are by caring about anyone else. They’re sociopaths.
They won’t really need bunkers to live the rest of their lives. The bunkers they’re making are in case of war and short term natural disasters. The surface won’t be unlivable in their lifetimes. Again, nothing after their death matters to them.
Most of the billionaires of today won’t reach the bunker stage, they will be dead before the surface becomes uninhabitable. Global warming will hit poor countries the hardest first but richer countries will be able to mitigate the effects for longer. The US will be able to mitigate the effects of global warming for much longer than say Afghanistan.
There’s already floods, heatwaves and tornadoes. Sure there’s much less death and destruction on a bigger scale, but their immediate surroundings won’t stay constantly enjoyable much longer. I happen to live in a place that’s too cold to comfortably enjoy the outdoors for most of the year - and full of mosquitoes for the remainder. Trust me, it takes a toll on your mental health really fast. I don’t think they realise that.
Right but billionaires have enough money that they can relocate to places that don’t have those issues. Their wealth insulates them from the consequences.
They have so many houses they can change their immediate surroundings whenever they feel like it
But but … These are effective altruists who due to their great technology will better theblifes of billions and trillions of people who are not even born yet, or so they say.
The money won’t matter.
Why do you think a few of the richest people on this planet are into making space craft?
Or bunkers.
Climate change will not destroy the planet. Climate change will make the planet uninhabitable for humans.
The planet will be here until the sun explodes, humanity will not. I wonder what will replace us.Climate change will make the planet uninhabitable for humans.
No it won’t and not a single credible study claim otherwise.
One group of people claims the entire thing is a hoax and another thinks it’s going to make humans go extinct. Classic example of both being wrong.
Why is it that we can’t just accept bad things as bad but we need to add color to everything and pretend it’s even worse than it actually is. Spreading this kind of misinformation causes an immense amount of pointless anxiety in people.
From the studies I’ve seen and discussions I’ve followed, there’s three scenarios that will make the planet uninhabitable:
- the oceans heat up to the point where they stop producing oxygen,
- we run out of drinkable water, or
- we kill off pollinators and run out of food.
Those are all entirely possible and will make the planet uninhabitable for humans.
Well obviously the tropical Antarctic archipelago will be habitable for humans.
I mean… obviously it won’t make the whole planet inhabitable, but billions will die when 90% of the planet is inhabitable. The last of which might be wiped out when the world fights over access to those remaining 10%.
No, those are still completely made up numbers. The estimated number of excess deaths under the worst case scenario range from 7 to 15 million people annually by 2100.
You do know that until 2100, there is still very little effect of climate change?
The actual timescale for most of the effects is in the span of hundreds of years. Because the catastrophic effects are so far in the future is why people do so little about it.
You do know that until 2100, there is still very little effect of climate change?
We’re seeing effects now.
Which scenario are you referring to? IPCC? Because one of the possibilities I’ve seen is that clouds will stop forming over land. Not to mention ocean acidification. That will kill far more.
It’s true that even the worst case IPCC projections are woefully optimistic. They almost completely fail to account for impacts beyond emissions or feedback loops or loss of keystone species, etc.
This is just heat/cold related deaths.
Catastrophes don’t need to kill everyone to still be considered catastrophic. D’uh. Remarkable insights.
The claim was that the planet would be uninhabitable not merely that catastrophes would happen. The person you replied to is entirely correct.
Nobody has claimed otherwise. Perhaps tone down the smuggery a bit and read what’s actually being said.
OP literally claimed that climate change would make the planet uninhabitable for humans, which is blatantly false. The person you are responding to is entirely correct, and now you sound like the smug one.
OP literally claimed that climate change would make the planet uninhabitable for humans, which is blatantly false.
I’m the one who called them out for it.
Hopefully, with something better.
Trinosaurs.
That’s why billionaires have houses and bunkers in places that are the last to be affected by climate change. They just need to survive long enough to die of old age while living comfortably.
It is really funny that billionaires think they will be safe in their bunkers in a post apocalyptic world. Their security teams will be the first to turn on them.
It’s unusual that you think that. Sycophants serve their masters until they die. When the Titanic sank, thousands of crew went down with the ship, even though it was arrogance and greed of the elite that sank it in the first place. American soldiers and their victims die all the time like pawns on a chess board so that the ruling class get whatever it is they want. Workers die in workplace accidents daily, justifying the danger they put themselves in when it’s really just to create more wealth for a greed driven economy.
That’s why we need to make sure that the billionaires starve to death and never come out
The planet won’t be destroyed though. Some areas will just become less habitable for humans. And that can be off-set with money (for example by paying for air conditioning). So your premise is faulty.
You’re not considering larger problems like food supply, displaced peoples, and infrastructure damage. Those things will effect everyone. Sure, with money you can initially buy security, food, and comfort but only to an extent. There’s a breaking point where money stops mattering anymore.
Air conditioning alone will not hold off the water from the coast metropolis, where something like 50% of the world population will have to relocate.
I think it’s fair to equate inhabitable with destroyed from a human perspective, especially considering that your assertion that it won’t be complete is itself not universally agreed upon.
It’s also meaningless if you spend your life at work.
When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money.
The fuck type of showers are you people taking
Getting stoned before a shower is one of life’s simple pleasures
All the money in the world is meaningless, regardless of climate change.
Hydrocarbons come from plankton and trees. Life will continue like it did millions of years ago. Uprooted people will just give more power to those in control.
The weather will just make farming output decline, food will be insecure, which gives more power to the people who can own land and defend it against starving masses.
Read about the French revolution.
The French royals didn’t have mechadogs to protect them, or social media to distract their subjects. I think they believe themselves safe this time (but I hope they’re wrong)
The Bourgeoisie toppled the Aristocracy by using the starving masses. Only the Bourgeoisie is left. Who should organize and finance a revolution?
“You can’t eat money.”
