• Grandpa_garbagio [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    The argument that Biden is doing nothing is patently false. He is actively supporting Israel in their campaign.

    Saying he is doing “nothing” is sort of apologia for liberals, so they can say “well trump would do the same but worse”. No. They’ll just do the exact same thing and support Israel to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.

    Not going to get into the Biden is a lesser evil thing for transfolks and women, I dont see him doing anything particularly helpful, but this is the one area id argue he is actually doing “nothing”. If marginalized people in these groups tell me to vote, I probably will, but yeah

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      If marginalized people in these groups tell me to vote, I probably will, but yeah

      I am telling you to vote for Biden please.

      We have to buy as much time as needed to build up leftist movement in the country.

      Yes, Biden is not on our side and will never be on our side, but at least at present they still have to pretend to care about minorities and progressive issues.

      If the Democrats realize that they have lost the progressive and minority votes, it will only accelerate their fascist turn.

      At this point, even delaying the inevitable by a couple years is all we can hope for, rather than handing the whole thing to Trump on a platter which we already know will treat the minorities far worse than Biden ever will be.

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        If the Democrats realize that they have lost the progressive and minority votes, it will only accelerate their fascist turn.

        Howd that work out for progressives during the Obama era when the Dems thought they had the progressive and minority vote locked down?

        but at least at present they still have to pretend to care about minorities and progressive issues.

        What does this even mean besides just paying lip service?

        What is the material outcome if both sides support the other’s policies in regards to immigration, Israel, healthcare, police brutality and energy policy but one just looks sad while doing it?

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          As I have said, Democrats will never be on our side. But do we really want to hand the power to Trump and the GOP so they can embolden the fascists and let them kill minorities on the streets? How many lives would have to be lost for us to really concede that Democrats in power will, at least, delay it for a little longer?

          The left needs time to build up its movement, and we cannot risk having it crushed by the Trumpian fascists when it is still in its cradle.

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            9 months ago

            It was under Biden, not Trump, that abortion was banned in America.

            Biden will not protect leftists. Voting for Hindenburg will not stop Hitler.

      • DyingOfDeBordom [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        I am pretty sure that having any Republican president is actually more helpful because liberals won’t just turn off their brains and support everything and tell you to sit down and shutv up because trying to defend your rights might lose them the next election