I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.
Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.
Welcome to the Internet? It’s not just Lemmy lol
Agree. Reddit was the same thing if not worse. Nuance is [apparently] dead and if you do not explain everything from the dawn of Man to cover your thought, people pick the comment apart like carrion as if you’ve never thought about anything deeply before. They might even gloss over things you did say and attempt to invalidate or discredit your post because only they hold the Truth of the Internet handed down from the Elders. It can be a bit frustrating.
Did you even consider vegans don’t eat decaying flesh? You cant just hold everyone to your standards. I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of what you wrote because you’re so fundamentally wrong already that I’m confident i can stop there and not miss anything of substance.
This is gold. Thank you!
Yeah, but I feel like it’s worse in Reddit and even WAY worse in here. I’m not sure I wanna keep using Lemmy anymore. Or threadiverse as a whole
Sure, but have you tried using Linux, going vegan and guillotining billionaires?
You forgot Firefox, you absolute monster!
It is quite often that responses seem to come from school age children who just discovered [insert edgy counter-culture ideology], and all of their responses and world views revolve around a rudimentary desire for that ideological utopia, with very little consideration given to sociology or economics. I suppose that is actually who’s responding a lot of the time. All real world considerations are discarded, and any issues you identify are perceived as stupid/shill/Trumper/dummy/capitalist drivel with zero consideration given.
Agreed, often if you check the post history of folks like that you’ll see that they’re still in school.
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I find Lemmy significantly worse than reddit was in this regard. The number of times I’ve had my different (not unpopular outside of lemmy) opinion met immediately with personal insults is way higher here in the few months I’ve been here than my years with reddit.
I’ve just been learning not to engage on any of the lemmy propaganda areas, and that leaves me with a lot less active communities.
I agree, and attribute that to the kind of people who would boycott Reddit forever, where the largest part of the lemmy population seems to originate from.
As much as I roll my eyes at the overuse of the term, lemmy is mostly comprised of the "woke"est of the reddit population.
Lemmy is less ban happy than reddit, so I don’t mind throwing down in the comments. Do your part, fight against stupidity.
It’s not less ban happy at all.
Reddit will ban you from some subs just for commenting in other subs, no way it’s as bad here
Well, entire instances are banned (defederated), sometimes for barely any reasons. Sooo it’s even worse
See? Even the post criticizing the lack of nuance says everyone thinks capitalism ia bad. :D
I feel like many people here are literally unreasonable. Any person with any faith at all is an idiot, all enlightened atheists are superior… FuckCars seems to be leaking and anyone who has to drive for their job is hated on… Linux is the only option, you should never, ever use Windows for anything… etc…
Like, not everything is black and white! The real world is shades of grey and often requires compromise. But the loudest voices here seem to be extremists that slap down any comment that isn’t 100% what they believe in. It’s exhausting…
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
That is literally why my instance finally defederated from
.mlEvery 3rd comment from someone there was exactly that regardless of what community you were in. It was exhausting. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were already blocked here, and once the.mlpeanut gallery was gone, it was like “wow, this is kind of enjoyable again”.Do I miss a few FOSS communities that were more active there than their counterparts elsewhere? Yeah, a little. But, overall, the experience is just so much better after they were blocked. It’s not even that I really disagree with them on everything, it’s just…STFU already, stop brigading, and maybe say something constructive for once.
I dunno man, I didn’t come here looking to contribute to or find a plan to fix the world. I came here to doom scroll and look at memes.
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196 has most of the good ones in my experience
But also the worst of the bad ones.
It’s a shame that this discussion so frequently centers around the political discussions, but this has definitely seeped into the broader discourse. Short, low-effort comments with no actual content are nearly always at the top. The only solution I can see is to create some heavily moderated spaces where low-effort comments will not fly, but we’ve seen time and time again that lemmy users are more anti-moderation than most.
They also have a reddit-scale visceral hatred for religion lmao
The replies of this comment is the reason I’m tired of using the whole Fediverse.
I find it more concerning that you appear to be a bootlicker for religion
Religion is fucking bad, though: without hyperbole, it is and always has been a scourge on our collective existence.
But religious people aren’t always bad and that seems to get lost on here.
It’s hard to trust religious people. I grew up a fundie christian and nearly every Christian I’ve ever known has hurt me with their faith. Trusting religious people feels like repeating a trust fall with people who routinely decide not to catch you. And then people get mad at me for not wanting to engage anymore.
Are all religious people bad? Of course not. Has my experience been one that has constantly affirmed that religious people, namely christians, cand be trusted? Absolutely. So what am I supposed to do in this case?
110% agree.
I could say “you know, I guess I can kinda see why people thought free market capitalism would work”
And someone will come out of the woodwork like “I can’t believe you think billionaires profiting off exploitation is actually a good idea”
First of all, no? Lol I’m saying I understand why people might think it would work, but for some reason forget that we as a people are generally selfish. Human nature and corruption and all that, people in power hoard power.
So basically you’re saying capitalism would work if human nature were completely different? Gee I wonder why people don’t take your views seriously.
Wait, are you not being sarcastic…?
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Humans have been trying to make Capitalism “work” for the past 400 years. It. Doesn’t. Work. We’re now at an extinction level event due to just how atrociously bad Capitalism is for the human species (and all species for that matter) .
Is there an /s missing or not? Genuinely hard to tell. Your comment is so fitting to what OP is complaining about.
There’s no /s missing. Just because the op complained doesn’t make the facts less true.
I think we agree on capitalism for the most part, but do you see how OP and others might find your comment unhelpful?
As OP says themselves, yes, they know capitalism is bad. Pointing it out and leading every discussion onto it doesn’t make for a very interesting or nuanced debate.
As others have said, capitalism is here to stay for at least several decades, probably closer to a century. Major societal change is unrealistic on the short term. I think OP (and I think I largely agree) thinks that it would be better to talk more concretely about the small incremental changes we can make to make society better today.
“we’re moving straight towards that iceberg, we’re all going to die!”
“I agree but this reaction is not being helpful. Now help me rearrange these deck chairs…”
I mean, this kinda comes back to OPs complaint again. As I attempt to enter in this discussion with a more nuanced take, you reply to me in a sarcastic tone with a metaphor (that I don’t think fits very well to reality) that seems to imply that either I fully agree with you or I am part of the problem or at least not doing anything helpful.
Surely you realize that these topics are complicated and there’s not a black/white dichotomy? Can you understand how OP and others might find comments like that off-putting, as you either need to fully agree or you’re part of the problem?
I also don’t think this stance or attitude is helping your case actually. If you want to convince people to action, this is not the way to do it. This just puts them off and pushes them away.
Not every post I make is meant to be a convincing call to action. Not every situation is going to be helped at this. I surmised that this thread - full of smug centrists pointing out how we “have to be realistic” and downvoting everyone pointing out that being this way has led us directly to a climate apocalypse - is not going to be worth the effort.
(that I don’t think fits very well to reality)
I think it’s the most apt analogy there is. There, the only possible solution would have been an effective mutiny, to wrest the wheel from the captain and sail to safer waters, and damn the journey time or company profits. Much like the only solution we have right now it to wrest the “wheel” of society from the rich an d damn company profits.
But I saw you elsewhere engaging in unscientific climate denialism, much like every capitalist apologist has to in order to stave of cognitivie dissonance, so I have no patience to talk to antiscientific people.
Surely you realize that these topics are complicated and there’s not a black/white dichotomy? Can you understand how OP and others might find comments like that off-putting, as you either need to fully agree or you’re part of the problem?
There is no complications in saying that an Anthropogenic extinction is underway and we need to stop the system powering it.
But I saw you elsewhere engaging in unscientific climate denialism, much like every capitalist apologist has to in order to stave of cognitivie dissonance, so I have no patience to talk to antiscientific people.
Where? I’m sorry if I’ve offended you but I am definitely in favour of doing all we can to stop climate change and I am definitely not anti-scientific or in denial about climate change (I fully believe climate change exists and is caused by humans, for the record).
Please, let’s not devolve to name-calling or insults.
If you block unhelpful people you improve the Internet for yourself.
While i agree with this and i do block people, regularly, if you aren’t paying attention this is exactly how you get echo chambers.
Not suggesting i have a good solution, because i don’t.
Best i can do is try to differentiate between “opinion that is not my own” and “flagrant arsehole”.
I like to think it’s the difference between good faith and bad faith arguments, but that still assumes i can tell the difference consistently.
Shit is hard yo.
Shit is, indeed, hard yo
I just want to talk about Linux and make clever jokes.
