Changes proposed for ADB could kill an entire ecosystem of open-source power-user apps, mobile developer setups, and rootless privacy tools based on Shizuku.
  • INeedMana@piefed.zipEnglish
    6·
    9 days ago

    I’m also looking around what to switch to. What worries me in Sailfish is that AFAIK the OS is not fully open-source. Jolla goes out of business and community has nothing to continue on

    Murena on the other hand is still tied to AOSP

      • INeedMana@piefed.zipEnglish
        2·
        9 days ago

        I haven’t been into the topic for long but I already recognize your nick ;) I’ll keep an eye on pmOS

        btw, is https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices up to date, or there are better sources? I’m asking because dd-wrt had (last time I checked) a mess in their wikis, so it might be similar case

        • TheMightyCat@ani.socialEnglish
          4·
          8 days ago

          I think it’s fairly up to date with what you get with default pmos, like the fp6 page is very outdated if you include my patches, but for default it is accurate.

    • ExtremeDullard@piefed.socialEnglish
      5·
      9 days ago

      What worries me in Sailfish is that AFAIK the OS is not fully open-source

      My four biggest gripes with UBPorts - namely the lack of Swype-like keyboard, crappy native Signal and crappy Waydroid / Android Signal integration, the swipe-right thing in the UI that drives me up the wall, and the battery status hidden behind the in-screen camera - are supposedly solved by the Jolla phone.

      I too am a bit concerned about the future of the company, but here’s my thinking:

      • If the Jolla delivers, then I’ll have a phone that I can daily-drive. There’s precious little choice if you want a Linux phone, and even less choice if you want a good one. So… It’s not like I have much of a choice.
      • I would very much prefer it if SailfishOS ran on a Fairphone. Apparently there’s an ongoing project to port SailfishOS but it’s not quite there yet. So I’ll buy the Jolla phone for now, and if/when the Fairphone5 port of SailfishOS is mature and usable, I’ll resell the Jolla phone.
      • I have the disposable to buy a new phone and a SailfishOS software license. I’d rather not do that, but I’m old enough and the kids are out of the house that it’s not a strain on my finances. Hell, I have FP5 loaded with UBPorts right here that’s sitting unused on a shelf…
      • I’ll take my chances on Jolla-the-company. At some point, someone has to pony up the money and support Linux phone makers if we want Linux phone makers. If nobody pays up for fear that they’ll disappear, then it’ll be a self-fulfilling prophecy and they’ll disappear. So let’s say I’m doing my part to support a commercial non-Android outfit.
      • If SailfishOS is not fully open-source but Jolla doesn’t violate any of the open-source software packages’ licenses, then so be it. Android isn’t fully open-source either - far, FAR from it, even deGoogled AOSP variants: they all rely on proprietary kernel blobs if nothing else. So it’s not really any worse.
      • INeedMana@piefed.zipEnglish
        1·
        9 days ago

        Mainly I worry that once they get following they get bought out by Google or other Microsoft and product will be killed. Open sources would mitigate at least some of the damage

        • ExtremeDullard@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          9 days ago

          Mainly I worry that once they get following they get bought out by Google or other Microsoft

          I’m really not worried about that 🙂 Jolla is not even a blip on any of the monopolistic players’ radar, let alone a hint of a threat, and mostly likely won’t ever be.

    • Solrac@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      9 days ago

      Sailfish is decent, but yes, tied to the company. Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish suffer from the same problem, limited app repositories, excluding waydroid, I mean linux software, but Ubuntu Touch at least has Libertine Containers with PPA support…

      PostmartketOS, Mobian, PocketBlue all use mainline kernels, so that might limit your options, but have access to packaged and Flathub! (pmOS is still better for device comparability)

      There are more options, niche as they may seem… Like I was not aware of OpenSUSE mobile, NixOS for phones, were actually a thing. I had heard of Arch mobile, thanks to Arch ARM, but again, not a lot of documentation that I’ve seen

      Also I’d check check out !linuxphones@lemmy.ca

      • INeedMana@piefed.zipEnglish
        2·
        9 days ago

        I’m already subscribed to that comm, thanks :)

        limited app repositories, excluding waydroid, I mean linux software, but Ubuntu Touch at least has Libertine Containers with PPA support….

        Can’t apps be compiled on the phone AUR-style?

        I had heard of Arch mobile, thanks to Arch ARM, but again, not a lot of documentation that I’ve seen

        I’ve been using Arch ARM on my SBC. I’d say the project still feels very young