If you think something is a moral emergency, you’re going to be more hysterical about it. It’s like saying “democrats need to stop being so militant about climate change and tell others who are to stop.” You can drive a hummer and fly a private jet everywhere as a lifestyle choice, but people can and should call you out for it.
Well yeah I mean if you’re the minority I agree. I generally think people who are too emotionally invested are generally the worst at convincing people. I’m just giving a reason why they’re so aggressive and angry.
I see the same in some people arguing for lgbtq+ rights and I don’t think they’re being effective(maybe even damaging), but I get why they’re so upset about it.
Oh yeah, it’s absolutely understandable. But also frustrating because division tactics only need to point out things to be angry about and then people will get angry about them (might have already been angry about them but now the topic is on their mind) and yell or lecture people about it which feeds that division and makes it less likely they’ll ever get on the same page. Especially when the offending side was trying to act in good faith but gets accused of just being an enemy or bad person.
Shame only works when the person decides on their own they should feel shame, otherwise the best you can hope for is platitudes while they secretly want to see you fall (or otherwise get out from under your sphere of influence) so they can stop pretending to care about that thing. Average case would be an argument that leads nowhere, which is what usually happens online since no one has any real power over others, other than mods/admins who can only ban.
If you think something is a moral emergency, you’re going to be more hysterical about it. It’s like saying “democrats need to stop being so militant about climate change and tell others who are to stop.” You can drive a hummer and fly a private jet everywhere as a lifestyle choice, but people can and should call you out for it.
But the point is that calling out seems to make people double down more often than agree and change.
Well yeah I mean if you’re the minority I agree. I generally think people who are too emotionally invested are generally the worst at convincing people. I’m just giving a reason why they’re so aggressive and angry.
I see the same in some people arguing for lgbtq+ rights and I don’t think they’re being effective(maybe even damaging), but I get why they’re so upset about it.
Oh yeah, it’s absolutely understandable. But also frustrating because division tactics only need to point out things to be angry about and then people will get angry about them (might have already been angry about them but now the topic is on their mind) and yell or lecture people about it which feeds that division and makes it less likely they’ll ever get on the same page. Especially when the offending side was trying to act in good faith but gets accused of just being an enemy or bad person.
Shame only works when the person decides on their own they should feel shame, otherwise the best you can hope for is platitudes while they secretly want to see you fall (or otherwise get out from under your sphere of influence) so they can stop pretending to care about that thing. Average case would be an argument that leads nowhere, which is what usually happens online since no one has any real power over others, other than mods/admins who can only ban.