Right, bring in the boomers, the oldies, that will make labour connect with the youth
Personally I will give Sir Keir a chance. I know lots of people hate him (the left think he’s too right-wing, the right think he’s too left-wing). I think he’s a pretty decent person though. Look at the alternatives - Farage and Kemi Badenoch - who would surely make the UK a more hostile place to live (unless you’re wealthy and white of course).
Maybe Sir Keir will ultimately be replaced by Andy Burnham. Burnham seems alright I guess but I don’t know tons about him.
Strange you only mention Farage and Badenoch as alternatives, why is that? Greens Poll better than Labour so it can’t be polls. Lib Dems won more councillors than Tories, so it can’t be election results…
Okay sure I probably should mention more alternatives. I doubt the Greens will lead the next government, but I suppose it’s theoretically possible. Then there are a few alternatives from Labour looking to replace Sir Keir as PM: Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner, and Andy Burnham who I mentioned before.
Personally I think I prefer Labour and also the Lib Dems to the Greens because the Greens apparently want to leave NATO and give up the UK’s nuclear weapons. I think the UK should probably keep its nukes until a time in the future (if such a time ever comes) where all nuclear countries negotiate that they will all disarm together.
As for the Labour alternatives to Sir Keir (Streeting, Rayner, Burnham), maybe they could do well. Burnham seems alright. But the disruption might be a bad thing. Shuffling leaders is what the Tories did and I don’t think it did them many favours.
I was mostly questioning the selection. Why Labour and Tories?
At risk of repeating myself:
Greens beat labour in polls, it’s not polls you were going by, else you wouldn’t have mentioned Labour. Lib Dems beat Tories in this election, so it’s not election results, else you wouldn’t have mentioned Tories. 2 was a fine number, just strange picks.
For what it’s worth, I think Reform are winning the election too.
Why Labour and Tories?
They’re still polling relatively well and by the time the general election rolls around, they could be in better positions.
I think Reform are winning the election too
I guess the problem is that the anti-Reform vote is split among multiple parties. I would guess that Labour is the best-placed party to defeat Reform but yes they would need to make some big changes to pull in Green voters, Lib Dem voters, and even SNP and Plaid voters too.
Gosh, I hope not. But, I acknowledge we might disagree on that
I guess the problem is that the anti-Reform vote is split among multiple parties.
There is a solution to that. After IDs we can acknowledge no referendum is required for election changes. Then push through Proportional Representation. Helps that labour have been elected on that premise before. PR naturally positions the center as the most powerful entity too, even in extreme times such as these.
Proportional representation would be good. I doubt that Labour will bring it in though unfortunately.
Wes Streeting
As authoritarian and corporate as Starmer, but more oily and more likely to ruin the NHS. Please, no.
Don’t forget the mental open border policy of The Greens:
The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.
Absolute batshit.
Who on earth is this supposed to placate? Labour and Tories got massacred because they are the establishment.
These are also people from the Mandelson generation of Labour politicians.
It makes no sense at all.
I thought starmer was just out of touch but he’s like neo using bullet time to dodge being in touch.
Bringing in Cameron didn’t go great for Sunak either.
Cameron wasn’t elected as an MP they used a loop hole and he got to lead the Foreign office which was the big rankler for me.
At least these two are brought in as advisors.
Gordon Brown for all his faults had the 2008 crash to deal with, no one would have come out of that unscathed and he arguably left the county in a better position than if he hadn’t bailed out financial in institutions.
Wasn’t a loophole at all. There is a limit of 109 ministers, of which no more than 95 can sit in the commons.
To take his ministerial position he was raised to the peerage (which was the norm for former PMs until the early 90s).
The guy that got kicked out of office in a way that lead to 16 years of Tory rule? Yeah, what a genius move.
