I hear people saying “Mozilla isn’t trying to push AI on users”, well here is an example of it.
use forks instead, hate ai shit(
Why would someone want a page summarized?
If it’s short, just read it.
If it’s long, the LLM will probably fuck it up.
They’re really going after the illiterate and lazy segment.
Yeah sadly it’s working very well, this function in particular. I can already notice most around me no longer reading anything beyond a single paragraph, just asking ChatGPT about the subject or even to summarize the page, yeah. :<
We can actually say pretty concretely that a long page cannot be summed up by the LLM, because that is a limitation Mozilla themselves disclosed!
Up to 3,000 words with iPhone 15 Pro or later… Up to 5,000 words with other devices
If only there were ways to skim or scan text to get an idea of what it says.
Dude, do you realize how fucking long 5000 words is? That’s approximately 11 pages with 12-point font single-spaced – consisting, to emphasize, of just words. That would represent an overwhelming majority of pages that people are reading and is well beyond a “long page”. If this is your attempt to make fun of the feature’s limitations, you’ve actually instead surprised me that they allow this much.
Mind as well that your cited limitation is more to do with on-board processing power than “the LLM will probably fuck it up”. Which are connected, sure – more sophisticated, resource-intensive models tend to do better. But that’s not really apples-to-apples with what they were talking about.
I don’t know if this particular sidebar handles it, but AI summaries of youtube videos save a huge amount of time. Especially when I’m only interested in one specific bit that’s buried somewhere in an hour of other stuff.
I can see the appeal but I wouldn’t trust it.
Related thought: I despise how much stuff is made into video when a few paragraphs, maybe with a gif, would do just fine.
It doesn’t, and YouTube already has an AI-free way of finding stuff in videos. It’s called the transcript.
The transcript is what the AI would be basing its summary off of.
Many of those transcripts are, themselves, generated by AI.
Facedeer, don’t be a troll. You know that when people criticize AI, they aren’t talking about speech-to-text .
Oh, it’s you again.
I see you don’t want to talk about how people use words like “AI” in real life. Noted.
And don’t pretend to be surprised. You were just complaining about me a day ago. Try less AI shilling/trolling.
There’s the block AI enhancement switch in the settings, should get rid of all this.
No worries, I’m aware, I’ve just decided to stick with the defaults (on this profile) to get an idea what the average user will see, and when, and how often.
Mozilla has been captured completely already, the new bosses are just turning up the heat slowly in an attempt to not scare too many users away. Im still gonna use a firefox fork for now but there is no future for mozilla unless some heads roll in their management.
Firefox does two things that are still really important, and I think the combination is unique to FF:
- Promises to (and sometimes does) make ethical improvements to the browsing ecosystem
- Gets forked into browsers that are usable by the general public
Is another browser possibly worth it? For instance, Brave. Or would you prefer a fork of Firefox.
Brave is shit. Either a firefox fork like librewolf or a completely different engine that is neither firefox nor chromium
Cool. Thanks for your response.
People aren’t huge fans of Brave but Mozilla cannot provide a quality alternative on iOS, and Android performance will vary tremendously if you have too many Firefox Android extensions
If this is called “pushing” then you don’t know what actual pushing looks like (see MS). This is basically a one time feature suggestion, it won’t come again if you decline or even use the AI kill switch.
I feel like most of the users in these communities have the reading comprehension of a toddler, and the world understanding of an LLM.
I saw some users comparing Mozilla’s AI to Microsoft copilot inclusion in Windows. Like bruh, it’s night and day and if you can’t tell the difference maybe you shouldn’t be voicing your opinion on the internet, and let adults talk instead…In this instance, the OP is a troll with AI derangement syndrome
I installed the latest Firefox with AI.
I turned the AI off and removed it from the menu bar.
Never saw it after that.
As much as I dislike even having to opt out/remove it instead of it being an opt in feature, it was painless.
For the average person that doesn’t understand promotional AI spam, how much pain would be involved in removing this option painlessly?
Should we be concerned that a browser that is built supposedly for the public good has so much AI promotion inside of it?
The average person probably isn’t downloading Firefox, and the average person is apparently unconcerned with AI.
I don’t think you’re using “average” correctly when it comes to this situation.
Fair enough if you’re being genuine. If you believe the average person is not concerned about AI, and you believe Mozilla’s alleged pledge to keep the internet healthy and not Big Tech dominated, you must be very upset about Mozilla trying to indoctrinate people into Big Tech services.
Which would be why I disabled the AI. FF is the least worst option that still incorporates plugins like ublock among many others.
That’s irrelevant. I asked about what you want for others, not for yourself.
Should we be concerned that a browser that is built supposedly for the public good has so much AI promotion inside of it?
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Hey buddy, keep making up about me whatever makes you feel good.
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This is something there’s an easy-to-find toggle for in the settings. A lot of people use LLM shit, and I’m in the minority – even, I’m sure, among Firefox users – so I’m not going to gripe that I have to switch it off to never be bugged about it again. (Most of these, by the way, are one-time prompts IIRC.)
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I knew what you meant, to be clear. I was taking the piss.
driving people away from using stock firefox in the first place.
I cannot even express what a tiny, insulated minority that you’re in. A lack of these kinds of features is what would drive people away to Chrome. Like holy merciful hell, Firefox’s new LLM page translation is jank, but it’s something (this is the one feature I use; it’s local when you download the language pack, and my alternative would be using Argos locally – more accurate, but slow as hell and less convenient).
I cannot begin to tell you all the times I wished I had what Chrome had in the way of translation – just without the privacy concerns. I only didn’t switch because of a strong resolve; I read non-English articles all the time. It’s still not as good, but I’m so relieved to finally have a built-in, private translator. And I’m well on the “fuck the proliferation of LLMs” side of the spectrum.
And I can very well imagine those features I turn off because I don’t want them are to a lot of people what translation was to me.
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They said, on Lemmy.
Yes, they said on Lemmy. I solidly understand what it is to be in many tiny, insulated ideological minorities from decades of experience, namely that my experience is often profoundly different from most peoples’. Corporations are obviously inducing demand for large AI models, but I do speak to many people outside my anti-LLM bubble and rub up against the reality that people fucking love to use LLMs to (as an example from the OP) summarize everything for them. So many people I speak to are so fucking brainrotted from using LLMs as a crutch that they’ll whine that like 300 words, for a thing they asked to have explained for them, is too long and needs a summary.
Chrome is literally worse than stock Firefox. You seem pretty out of touch with what we’re talking about rn.
Yeah, I’m not going to waste my time with this one.
Also non-generative translation has existed for years just fine, just saying lol.
I have no idea what the hell you mean by “non-generative”. Do you even know whay that word means? I see now that one was introduced in late 2023 and I was unaware of it. But what makes this one “generative” and that one “non-generative”? It’s all tokens to tokens, regardless of if it’s an LSTM (I don’t know if that’s what that one used) or a GPT (which I vaguely assume Firefox uses now, and is a generative pretrained transformer, but that’s not really the job it’s doing here; maybe a BERT? Maybe an LSTM still?)
Many prompts to use AI pop up during conventional usage. This is the most egregious so far, but here is another (whenever you try putting tabs in a group).
Here is another (when Firefox could be loading provided page summaries, per Mozilla:
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I hear people saying “Mozilla isn’t trying to push AI on users”, well here is an example of it.
Are these people with us in the room right now?
