its BUGGY and distros keep pushing it to users as if it worked correctly; It doesn’t.
GNOME, one of the biggest desktop environments, breaks constantly under Wayland. It breaks on the brand new laptop (framework), it breaks on the old laptop (old ass Dell)
People keep talking about switching everyone to linux, but then as soon as we have a mature technology (X11), we replace it with half baked garbage
Also, bug report in GNOME created
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Not sure what you mean. Been running Wayland for years with little to no problems. No desktop environment though
Yeah good for yoy, but my 50 year old mum needs a desktop environment
I get that. Surely there’s bugs. I just wanted to add the perspective since you painted a picture of a broken technology. I’d talk to your distro’s maintainers if they are rolling out unstable stuff
Sounds like GNOME pisses you off. Try a window manager/compositor that is not designed by lunatics who think the OK/Cancel buttons should be at the top of the window when everything else reads left-to-right/top-to-bottom, and that every application should provide its own window decorations so every application looks wildly different. Maybe you would prefer https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/
Also, X11 is decades of half-baked garbage hacks piled on top of half-baked garbage. Wayland fixes real problems.
I like XFCE but the support of high dpi screens is lacking; and the overall consistency bugs are annoying too (like scroll direction is broken)
I decided to try Wayland a year or so ago. I never used X11 again. I use hyprland and niri with no issues
Depending on the “old” definition, but yes will continue to do so!
report the bugs so they can be fixed.
Yup
Done
thank you for your service
breaks constantly
What do you mean by this?
I don’t think I’ve ever had an entire desktop environment break.It hangs completely, and forces a hard reboot. I can focus to different windows, but cannot dismiss the “tab-switcher” window. So I can’t launch any other window; and cannot click the content of any existing window
I am SO with you! Wayland is just not feature complete at all and everyone is acting like it is.
I just updated my steamdeck to the most recent version which switched to wayland by default and guess what? Remote play was busted in desktop mode, which I use all the time, awesome. Thankfully they still let you switch back to X11 for desktop mode.
OBS window capture does not work for certain window types in wayland, I tried every method available, this bit me to so hard to had to do an emergency rollback to an out of life version of an OS on my OBS machine because it was a majorly breaking change.
You can’t ssh in and run something on the desktop, like I tried to ssh into my desktop and start moonlight (because there are no good remote desktop solutions still) but apparently there is NO WAY AT ALL to run something as my user, on my desktop, from an external SSH session, nothing like setting your DISPLAY variable and allowing access via xhost. I had to walk over to my desktop and manually start it, it felt like going back to the stone age. What if I wasn’t home? I would be unable to access my desktop UI at all without driving to my house and manually touching physical things, this is a wild regression to me.
The lack of good remote desktop is still an issue, but to be fair that’s plagued linux for a while, it just mostly seems wildly inconsistent now with what will or will not work.
I guess X11 forwarding has been band-aided with waypipe, which is good, though I’ve not used it much yet so I don’t know how well or not it actually works in real world use.
Someone please tell me I’m wrong about this and explain what I don’t know, but every time I’ve asked about this stuff in various places I get radio silence.
I’ve had success with wayvnc, but that’s because I use wlroots based wayland compositors. It doesn’t work for GNOME or KDE.
I suppose there’s nothing to stop someone from having multiple compositors installed to the same host. One for meatspace interaction, and a wlroots based compositor for remote access.
Thank you for the response and information. Unfortunately I’m my advancing years I’ve found I actually kinda like KDE now… so I’ve been using that. But that is certainly something I can play with to see if I can get it working.
I use mint. I think Wayland is available, but I’ve just never switched to it. And to be honest, I’m not even sure if Wayland is actually available on mint. My point is this I don’t think anybody is forcing anybody to switch? Or any other distro’s actually forcing it
Fedora ships by default with GNOME, which by default ships with Wayland
Nope.
The Main 2 options are workstation and plasma.
Yeah, there’s a lot that doesn’t work for me, unfortunately.
Yeah I remember having x11 and zero problems, but I have to say that on KDE I don’t have anymore Wayland issues nowadays.
It was ridiculous finding the Linux experience better 5 years ago than last year (thanks also to nvidia writing shit drivers)
Every time someone complains about Wayland it’s always drivel.
No, Wayland is not more buggy than X11, you’re just using an awful desktop environment and haven’t developed proper Linux skills. You bought a Framework laptop and expected everything to be perfect without having a clue what you’re doing.
Sure buddy lol
Since learning Linux I’ve seen a hundred exact copies of you. People who get frustrated and blame everything but themselves when tech goes wrong.
Wayland isn’t an issue. The issue is you. Remember that.
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Keep struggling with basic tech that a child could navigate.
Wayland doesn’t even do lock screen, jitters on scroll… I don’t get the hype.
If it were new I’d be patient, but I feel like it’s been 10 years now.
Turn off baloo indexing, that helped my stuttering 100%
As the author of a wayland gtk lockscreen - the first assertation is false.
I also don’t experience any jitter on scroll on any device
Wayland does do lock screen: https://wayland.app/protocols/ext-session-lock-v1
The only thing I ever see jitter on scroll in Wayland is X11 applications. What is jittering on scroll for you?
I had jitter scroll on wayland for a while several years ago when I switched from X11. I can’t remember the fix but it ended up being pretty trivial. If I do remember I’ll update.
Man, i’ll have to remember that the next time I go to unlock my computer running wayland. Apparently it’s all in my imagination.
Also running it on Nvidia, which is the nightmare setup, and scrolling is fine. I think you just have an issue with your setup. I’ve only seen issues like that with generic graphics drivers.
Thank you all for the responses. Let me preface this to offer a modicum of credibility. I started my open-source adventure at the turn of the millennium when I found an obscure dutch program called Blender back in the NAN days and volunteered, earning several different positions in the organization as it grew over the next decade and a half. I also was a beta-tester for Artrage (could spot endianess issues when mac switched from motorolla to intel chips), working on other graphics software, commercial and open-source. My primary machine is a Legion Pro laptop with rtx 5800. And am currently employed at a company doing tech support for a linux operating system.
The idea of how do you take these outputs and present them to the user is a fascinating subject I will NEVER get bored of and every advancement excites me. I don’t know how Wayland works, all I know is that in Mint there is an option to turn it on when I log in, and every two years or so I try it, and I end up saying, “not ready yet” because well I need to lock my screen when I leave my computer, not to hide anything but out of respect for the data of my users. Scrolling, probably in Firefox, looks like a strobe light, that’s an exaggeration but it is anything but smooth or with the momentum X11 provides. I’m old now, in my 50’s, I don’t want to faff about with settings or extra shit… so that is why I gave the critique I gave. If you wrote a lockscreen then wtf isn’t it incorporated into Wayland, I mean I might be 60, 70 years old by then… it just seems like the string theory of graphics display, and if it’s that fucking convoluted, why don’t you guys just start over?
Running X11 still, screwed up the display setup and still haven’t fixed it (How to reset wayland so I can properly configure the 3 displays for my vr. A question I haven’t been able to find an answer that works) under X11 I have a single tear somewhere on the screen running across, any time I scroll a web page, dolphin or watch a video. When I use Wayland it is buttery smooth, wish I could find a way to reset that so I could do it all in Wayland. Running Kubuntu 24.04 which didn’t come with wayland by default, had to install it and now I’m concerned about removing it to try to start fresh
