• IndescribablySad@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
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    “True trauma healing entails addressing and dismantling the systems that perpetuate it”

    Uhh, I don’t think I can manage global socioeconomic rifts, and I’d wager that the people who can do so would largely be disinterested in doing so

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      You’re thinking on a global scale where the therapist is likely talking about the small systems of people immediately surrounding an individual

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      I will dismantle the petrol-car-alcohol-war systems that made a friend die of a car crash

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      You don’t have to think on a global scale to have meaningful impact on your immediate environment. Whether that be the friends that you keep, separation from a relationship or family, holding an abuser accountable, starting a labor movement at your job, moving out of a toxic community, working to fix a toxic environment, etc. All of society is a series of systems at every level.

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      • unsourced bullet point advice is unlikely to fix your mental health.

      I like that. Got any more?

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      Hot take, bullet lists instead of numbered list, while everyone talks about number X is annoying as fuck

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      That’s a theory in a vacuum. The more failed solutions, the fewer the pool of untried ones remain, ergo: unsourced bullet points’ chances of doing exactly that effectively go up. 🤌🏼

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      would like to see a source or at least more information… otherwise this is just low-information vibes, a meme that succeeds by speaking to common experiences without necessarily being rooted in anything more substantive (i.e. a mirror rather than reflection or analysis)

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          Astrology isn’t evidence based and readings are performed by people with no real credentials.

          Tons of mental health resources come in short worksheets or bulletpoint format. No one is claiming a single resource delivered in point form is going to change your life, but since a lot of therapy is about reframing thoughts, this isn’t without value.

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      That’s crazy! So similar to the road to Democracy™ that apparently includes seizures and meal reductions, among other benefits.

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    Everything does happen for a reason. In many cases, it happens because some evil prick has not been properly dealt with.

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      That is a very common reply when someone loses a loved one from a natural disaster or disease. Your child didn’t die from cancer just to teach you a lesson, it was just an unfortunate tragedy (I will admit that sometimes that cancer was because of some evil, polluting, asshole corporation).

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    The problem with #2 is if you don’t love or value yourself first, you may choose a bad partner that takes advantage.

    The forgiveness one is not about letting them off the hook, but you yourself stop holding the hot coal that is burning you… There’s that great video by a monk about it. 1 hr 35 minute mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOZv5YZ0iUc

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      The whole thing is rubbish. The trick is finding a balance between extremes. My balance isn’t going to be your balance, but can be a useful gauge for beginners.

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      I can see why it’s listed though. I tend to try to improve myself ad infinitum, and never start living and making mistakes. I’ve heard this so much that I’m pretty sure it’s one of the big reasons I haven’t been dating for a long time, even though I should. Funnily enough, my therapist told me to stop thinking and improving and just try it out. And she was right.

      So it’s not a wrong thing generally to say, but sometimes people have a hard time wrapping up the healing process and just trying things. And that’s when it gets bad.

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        It should be amended to say sometgimg like love yourself, that love includes accepting you make mistakes

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      I always took that to mean until u achieve inner peace u cannot effectively grow that close to someone without hurting them. If ur together for long enough ull end up sharing a few traits negative included.

      Edit:obvs I don’t think inner peace is like getting rid of negative traits entirely but if u truly love and accept yourself then u will accept ur negative traits too and thus ull be less harmful if someone grows that close

    • hissing meerkat@sh.itjust.works
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      Forgiveness is something you do for yourself. It’s deciding that the fact you were hurt in the past won’t control how you react to getting hurt, or the possibility of getting hurt, in the future. It only applies to situations you decide to perpetuate. Resentment without “holding the hot coal” is a perfectly reasonable alternative when getting hurt; you can decide you will continue to react negatively to getting repeatedly hurt rather than accepting it, without holding onto it as extra pain on top of the hurt you experience. But we don’t really have a word for that in-between, recognition/acknowledgement are maybe the best. But you can hold on to the fact that you are being repeatedly injured and acknowledge that.

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    2 hits home for me. I always feel like I don’t deserve to be loved because I hate everything about myself and until I fix it I deserve to be alone.

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        the worst part is that even though I’ve been working on myself for the past two years with therapy and meds I still feel like a complete failure.

        this shit never ends

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      That’s a form of perfectionism and it isn’t healthy. Perfection does not exist, it’s entirely imaginary. You may think “I’m not aiming for perfect” but l need to tell you something important, yes you are. Whatever your mental model of desirable is, whatever it entails, that is your version of perfectionism, and it’s unhealthy. It’s okay to pursue growth and change, but you also need to learn to accept yourself for who and what and how you are right now. You are always changing. You always have and always will. You can work with that. You can make it work. You’re worthwhile just as you are. When you make progress toward a goal, celebrate it, but if you don’t feel like you are making progress you can still celebrate the effort. Everyone does what they can, and doing what you can is what makes you worthwhile, not the outcome, but the effort.

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        I’m kinda aware of my perfectionism and I’m trying to do things regardless of it, but I just can’t stop thinking about all my flaws, real or not. Wherever I am I’m constantly thinking about what others may think of me and I know it’s bs and most people don’t give a shit about me but I just can’t help it. It’s like I’m just unable to do anything for myself anymore, no matter what I do I’m always thinking of other people’s opinion and hoping someone would praise me for what I do. I’ve been nothing but constantly criticized by people around me and I no longer know if I do things correctly, because most of the time I get told I’m wrong.

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    7 should be on a t-shirt. Go hard. Team up with someone rocking a “Tell me to smile more. Please.” shirt. Ignore all other humans while out & about. 🤘🏼

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    Yeah I always thought all those stupid hallmark sayings were just stupid bullshit. Different situations and people require different solutions.

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    “you’re so strong” can be really annoying to hear

    Counterpoint: I have a friend, who is tends to be shy, but I thought it was just because she is like that naturally, like me. But turns out she has a narcissist for a father, a mentally unstable mother, a former friend that tried to kill her, a few stalkers, an aunt who is also trying to kill her, a dysfunctional extended family and almost no one to rely on.

    She told me all of those stories, and I told her “this is insane, it’s not normal, and all of your issues are not bad habits, they are ways to deal with some fucked up things”. I told her she was so strong and I meant it. And she said she never knew it was not normal, and she was happy to hear it, and I think it was really important to hear.

    Of course “you’re so strong” can be annoying, but it can also help someone get a grip back on reality. As a general rule, if it’s only annoying to some people, it can still be worth doing. I’ll annoy 100 people if it means I can be helpful to even one person that’s like my friend.

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      I mean, but when you have to hear it all the time, y’know, like most people don’t, it kinda just… feels wrong. It’s probably pretty nice to hear when you’re in deep shit though.

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        Yeah I can imagine if you get it all the time it’s really patronizing in a weird way, but as someone who says it, I have good reason to still do it. Of course if you tell you don’t like when I say it, I’ll stop.

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    Personal gripe is hearing “I’m so sorry” which just reminds me how bad or fucked something is/was, often long after I’ve already made peace with it.

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      I have been the person to say that. Usually because I’m shocked by what someone told me and I feel the need to say something, anything, to break the silence.

      I think you can go down the list though.

      • “You’re strong!”
      • “Thanks for having the courage to tell me.”

      In truth, I’m not a therapist. I don’t have the training to talk to a person sharing their trauma with me. I usually just freeze, like deer in the headlights, and then I worry about how the person who just shared what they did is feeling.

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      I’ll take it over ghosting. Cuz there’s a ton of cowards who will run to the hills so they don’t have to face your trauma as ‘something that bums them out’. Even family. So I don’t want to make it harder for them to even talk or think about it by laying out land mines to make them feel shit.

      So someone says sorry or anything or even if they want to hangout and we don’t talk about it even is just fine with me.you learn who your real friends are in trauma. Even a sorry is fine from a friend. If Their intentions are trying to figure out how to be around you cuz they care and I wanna help them with that.

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    The education of people in your life via the ‘I can’t love you until you learn to love yourself.’ tag phrase simply reduces the amount of love the suffering person feels, making it even harder to crawl out of the hole they are in.

    Also, giving them ‘space’ just let’s them dig a larger diameter hole.

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    Wow #2 is like the most common thing I hear from people… That’s pretty crazy

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    1. For some reason positivity is bad for interpersonal relationships and very good for leading a team.