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The article is about Kyutai, a French AI lab with an objective to compete with chatgpt and others with full open source (research papers, models, and training data).
They are aiming to also include the capability to use sound, image, etc… (according to this article (French) https://www.clubic.com/actualite-509350-intelligence-artificielle-xavier-niel-free-et-l-ancien-pdg-de-google-lancent-kyutai-un-concurrent-europeen-a-openai.html )
The post article also talks about some French context.
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330m is not much.
It’s more than 0m
Which is more than -$1.00.
Maybe they can buy… three nVidia GPUs and electricity to run them!
In that case, I’ll let them get a discount on the one I’m selling… Now only $100m.
That’s thousands of salaries for a year, that’s not too bad for an unknown company. More than enough to produce something that can attract more funding. Many startups became successful with less funding.
$330m is not nothing. But, with a funding split between a telecom CEO, and a shipping & logistics CEO - person has to wonder what sort of direction & tuning the team might be encouraged to explore. How will they stack up against existing & proven open source non-profits with impressive releases like EleutherAI?
These open source projects are neat, in that they give the average person the opportunity to peek under the hood of an LLM that they’d never be able to run on consumer level hardware. There are some interesting things to find, especially in the dataset snapshots that Eleuther made available.
In general, kind of cool to see France being on the cutting edge of these things. And I think it’s worth saluting any project that moves to decentralize power from states and megacorps, who seal wonderful, powerful things in black boxes.
France is on the cutting edge of AI indeed, the FAIR (Facebook AI lab) has a big office in Paris and its boss is Yann Le Cun. So there are plenty of researchers getting trained on the state of the art.
Makes sense it’d be the French again. They pioneered the internet after all.
I’m sorry are you crazy? Do you know any part of the internets history? American universities, government and defense contractors that created the internet.
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Thanks for the assist. I’m not an expert on the deep lore of the internet, but remember a few things from History class.
What did the Teletubbies have to do with it then? I could have sworn early development was tied with their government research?
You could read the article. It was actually DARPA, from the department of defense and not the CIA, who initially created the first working network. But it was some time later that CYCLADES in France demonstrated the first inter-network with a lot of the working concepts that later would make the internet as we know it today. It wouldn’t go global until we invented the TCP/IP protocols, that was a joint effort of a lot of universities over in Europe and the USA.
Ideally, they’d just blow the entire $330M training an LLM, and release the weights. In reality, much of that money will probably go into paying salaries, various smaller research projects, etc.
Ideally, they wouldn’t be paying salaries? What?
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The context is that LLMs need a big up front capital expenditure to get started, because of the processor time to train these giant neural networks. This is a huge barrier to the development of a fully open source LLM. Once such a foundation model is available, building on top of it is relatively cheaper; one can then envision an explosion of open source models targeting specific applications, which would be amazing.
So if the bulk of this €300M could go into training, it would go a long way to plugging the gap. But in reality, a lot of that sum is going to be dissipated into other expenses, so there’s going to be a lot less than €300M for actual training.
Is there any way we can decentralize the training of neural networks?
I recall something being released awhile ago that let people use their computers for scientific computations. Couldn’t something similar be done for training AI?
There is a project (AI Horde) that allows you to donate compute for inference. I’m not sure why the same doesn’t exist for training. I think the RAM/VRAM requirements just can’t be lowered/split.
Another way to contribute is by helping with training data. LAION, which created the dataset behind Stable Diffusion, is a volunteer effort. Stable Diffusion itself was developed at a tax-funded public university in Germany. However, the cost of the processing for training, etc. was covered by a single rich guy.
Btw yes! Why not include such project in something like BOINC and let people help training free AI?
Folding at home.
I dunno. I wouldn’t lend my spare power to put people out of a job.
?? Do you know people with enough time qualifications and money that are willing to work for free? I haven’t.
I know a few people on a certain site that host a kind of reddit alternative in their free time.
I still don’t know any.
I think you just replied to one.
No not me lol, I’m a glorified moderator. The guys I’m talking about are the actual hosts of this website.
I don’t know him but I do know that people have been banned for criticizing Lemmy administration wrt potential monetization.
I don’t want to be banned so I will not comment further on the admin.
I don’t deny that there are software engineers that would work for free but they are not common.
The potential monetization being the donations to give them a living wage? What exactly is the criticism about, that they shouldn’t get a living wage through donations and should rather make the platform paid or ruin it with ads?
Why do so many people get off on attacking the idea of FOSS, much of the software that is running our everyday lives is supported through FOSS (and lots of them are also being donated to so that the devs can afford to put food on their tables).
There are also many devs (on Lemmy as well) that contribute a lot without being paid, simply because they like the project, want to make it better, and want to learn by doing.
I don’t think many people were paid to work on the Fediverse.
Or emulators.
Or most free software.
That isn’t a job to them though, it is more like a hobby.
If you want peoples undivided attention, you will have to pay them, no matter how utopian your vision.
Which you can easily afford with 330 million funding.
Methinks cyd might be a libertarian 😄
Good luck training an LLM without any developer.
I hope they actually do, unlike "Open"AI
This is the best summary I could come up with:
This morning at Scaleway’s ai-PULSE conference, French billionaire and Iliad CEO Xavier Niel gave some extra details about his plans for an AI research lab based in Paris.
Six men took the stage this morning to talk about their previous work and what they have in mind for the research lab — Patrick Perez, Edouard Grave, Hervé Jegou, Laurent Mazaré, Neil Zeghidour and Alexandre Defossez.
Kyutai has also put together a team of scientific advisors who are well-known AI researchers — Yejin Choi, Yann LeCun and Bernhard Schölkopf.
“When it comes to the timeline, I don’t think our aim is necessarily to go as fast as Mistral, because our ambition is to provide a scientific purpose, an understanding and a code base to explain the results,” Defossez said at the press conference.
Macron also used this opportunity to define and defend France’s position on Europe’s AI Act, saying that use cases should be regulated, not model makers.
It’s not a question of defining good models, but we need to ensure that the services made available to our citizens are safe for them, for other economic players and for our democracy,” Macron said.
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with translation as well! good bot!
The article is English. Only the one in the post text for additional info is French.
Please put a space between the link and parenthesis so the link doesn’t break
There I fixed the link. Sadly still in some weird arcane language but never mind
Sry did it. The apps I use seem to be smart enough to stop at html.
Smart. Even Google knows that they can’t compete with open source models since open source development of AI models is much more optimized and a compliance serving model can’t catch up with it.
So an open source model is their best way to leapfrog these giants.
nice :)
I would be happy to see the real story behind every kind of this tech news. You know we’re the real money will be.
so they have enough money to train one model
It seems like their goal is not to train new LLMs, but to actually do scientific research. Large language models are such a tiny part of the whole machine learning and AI field that it’s ridiculous the amount of attention they get from mass media. But people do like their stupid chatbots.
What use would an AI be if it was made by French developers? The source would likely be in French (i.e. Variables, functions, objects names as well as comments). Yes, they are that in love with their own language. Check out their names for about everything related to computers…
Tell me you know nothing about coding without telling me
Wait until he finds out about obfuscated code he’s going to be real frenchy then
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wut!? did some bagget french kissed your mom or something?
Isn’t it Quebec(Canada) you’re thinking about?
Ive never seen french code in my jobs, it’s in English, Most Frameworks are in English anyway so why would they code in French
PHP Symfony is from a french company, and it’s in English, docs also available in English
And there might be translation of english words in French yes, how is it crazy, that’s the definition of a language otherwise we would all have the same words for everything and therefore the same language
As a SW Engineer from Germany, you will be surprised how much code exists in other languages. But I would expect companies on the edge of technology, who are either working closely with universities or with open source, that they usually chose English.
In Quebec all code must be in both official languages, Maple and C
Let me guess, you are a
murcianmurican who only understands english.Must be really difficult being from Spain and only knowing English
If you had put as much effort into searching on the internet as my comment history to speculate where I’m from, you would know that in spain (depending on the region) it’s mandatory to learn up to 4 languages.
I’ve not looked at your comment history at all, I was just making a silly joke about how you wrote “Murcian” instead of “Murican”. No harm intended
Oh, hehe.
No, I’m not, but I had to fight with a source where the original author was no longer available - and everything was in French. It sucks.
The source code was in a programming language which will have been in English it’ll be in the code comments and variable names it will have been in French and you can translate those
Anyway accepted convention is to programming English if it’s going to be available to an international audience.
and you can translate those
You know that there was a time before google translate, yes?
You ever heard of VLC?
Meh most software is largely in English. It’s not quite like commercial piloting but it’s pretty prevalent
I’ll take this opportunity to highlight that Scikit-Learn (Open Source ML library) is developed in large part by INRIA (based in Paris) and people have been relying on their code for preprocessing, baselines, and the rest for a long time. And all of the documentation is in English.
On the other side, MicMac which is by far the best free photogrammetry package, is developed by France’s IGN and it’s loaded with French comments, function and variable names etc…
However the English wiki has come a LONG way since I first had to try to figure it out, and while it’s still much more of a box of tools and parts than a single click app, it’s likely gone from “set of blueprints and sack of unsorted bolts” to “kit car with rolling chassis”
The difference here is that MicMac was probably developed as an internal tool, with no intention to distribute it at first.
Good for them. I has different experiences.
Seriously, all code produced by French devs are in English minor a few personal projects
Eh get the AI to translate the code to your language of preference.
Personally as an Italian, I think it would be good for Europeans to learn other languages aside from English… And the most widespread are French and Spanish.
Probably not, this is Quebec. I’m in a french lab and everything is written in English. You don’t really have choice as you are collaborating internationally. Even if the lab is based/funded in France, not all of the people inside will be french. They plan to have scientific advisors that are not french according to the link.
Let’s say you’re right and it will only be in French. It’s a language with hundreds of millions of speakers. Why not have it in French?
While it may have hundreds of millions of speakers, there are still billions of people who don’t speak french.
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I was assuming they would not self sabotage like that but if they do then you can use a llm to fix that issue with tranlations
