I get it. There’s some real jerks around here. Whether they’re constantly argumentative, downright rude, always acting in bad faith, just plain trolls, overly opinionated on every subject, have the social skills of a Nausicaan, or whatever - the Fediverse is growing, and it’s bound to attract toxicity in one way or another.
This post is mostly a PSA for anyone who’s feeling like leaving because they’re tired of dealing with things like that. I’ve been there several times myself, I know exactly how you feel, and I’m tired of seeing good people harassed off the platform.
Just remember that blocking is a very powerful way to stay in control of your experience. Be it a set of users, me specifically, a list of keywords, a whole community, or an entire instance: if it’s causing you nothing but stress, hit that block button and see if that improves your experience here. Unlike the alien site, there is no limit to the number of entities you can block; you’re in control.
Another thing to keep in mind is different instances have different vibes, and the experience can totally differ depending on the instance’s moderation and federation policy.
In conclusion, your experience here can be what you make of it; don’t be afraid to just block the parts that stress you out. You’re not “creating an echo chamber” as everyone likes to say (often in bad faith) – you’re just taking care of yourself.
Also, voyager lets you tag users which is a godsend.
If I notice someone who is unnecessarily rude, dodgy opinions, bigoted or something, I add a tag, and if I see it is constant repetitive behaviour, I’ll block them.
Thunder too, installed it specifically for user tags!
I hope they bring that to Lemmy overall, it will make for a much better experience for everyone. Mobile is really hard to mod from.
There is a voyager frontend on web. But I think it’s only a mobile view https://vger.app/posts/lemm.ee/all
No it works on desktop as well.
Would be a great selling point over centralized alternatives too. “take control of your own experience” and all that. Reddit will never be able to achieve that level
Reddit Executive Suite (RES) was amazing for that. I’ve been gone so long that I’m not sure it works anymore.
Reddit Enhancement Suite does still work, they just had to break a few features from the api thingy.
It appears to be still working on old.reddit. I no longer have an account there, but occasionally check on communities I miss here and RES still seems to be chugging away.
I never realized that Thunder has something for it, because there is zero UI for it as far as i can see. There is just the list in the settings that you can manually add people to. This doesnt do anything however… I expected the label to show up next to the username or something but it just doesnt.
If you long press on a comment for actions and then hit “user”, you see the option to add a label at the bottom of that menu.
A bit hidden, I agree, but very useful.
Oooh okay it shows up only on comments of the tagged person. I was looking at posts and their profile. Thanks for the quick guide.
Boost has user tagging as well.
Only issue is the tag and report dialogs look exactly alike and multiple times I’ve unknowingly clicked report in error. I’m kinda surprised I never got criticised for abusing the report function when all I’ve written is “pro-russia” or “idiot”
You can also track aggregate up and down votes per user! You’re a solid +13 for me, you’re cool.
I recently had someone I already had tagged as “racist” replying to me with some misogyny, clicked on his profile and found him defending the R slur. Because instances are smaller, it’s actually feasible to message instance admins when there is someone like that too.
Okay I am gonna bite. What is the R slur?
thank you!
Cw r slur
spoiler
Retard
I’m on Thunder and I just labeled you as “taught me that users can be labeled”
Why give people a second chance to hurt you? Just block away!
One comment does not a whole commenter make! I’ve had a few cases where someone acts poorly on one post, but is usually a conscientious and interesting commenter. Personally, I want to see more conversation, so I’m hesitant to ban people, but if your math is different, that’s fine!
I think it’s also easy to misinterpret something on one post. A lot of times something that looked bigoted or dodgy opinion was just poorly done sarcasm or something.
If you disagree with someone or someone tells you that you’re wrong you can just immediately block them with no effort.
People are so used to being able to instantly ignore anybody that they never develop the skills to deal with people disagreeing with them or having support an argument.
It’s a self-reinforcing cycle.
Yeah, adults should be able to tell the difference between someone disagreeing with them and someone being rude/trolling.
I don’t think I ever needed to block anyone, but I kinda stopped commenting as much nowadays cause I realized a lot of times people just don’t understand something and say things out of ignorance + pretentiousness, immediately attacking whoever correct what they’re saying. I don’t think there’s a way out of that in these kinds of open discussion threads, unfortunately, because it’s not exactly bad faith.
Because then I can’t downvote and report them for future harmful behavior.
I do tag them so I know not to engage.
Good point.
Boost too
it does? i don’t see that option anywhere.
edit: of course the second I comment I find the option lol
Huh? Could you kindly tell where the option is? I can’t find it?
you have to enable it first under settings-> User Tags
Filters are nice too, if you’re here for escapism rather than news.
Currently, only lemmy apps support keyword filtering. But on lemmy 1.0 we’re going to get proper keyword filters :DDDD
Wait, were not even on 1.0 yet?
Nope. Latest version is 1.19.11 but next should be 1.0
I’m only here for politics about to put “puppy” on my filter
honestly too much cute shit weirdly ruins it, like loops is all peoples pets and im over it
Better put owl and cat on there too while you’re at it
I tried filters on other platforms, the results weren’t that good. Yes, you blocked a word, but people often use images with text for some reason, and filters don’t work with them.
Your filter list is very similar to mine. Makes a hell of a positive change.
Musk agree with this, filters work wonders.
How do you do this - I think I need this
I’d add “report” to that advice. If somebody is outright being jerks, that is probably against your instance’s rules — and if it isn’t, there are plenty others to choose from.
Blocking helps you, but reporting people (or instances) that are just here to troll will help others.
I read all reports on my instance (i get reports on our users and from our users, too; so i see quite a lot) rest assured, all your reports actually do something.
True. If it’s report-worthy, absolutely. But there are certainly accounts that aren’t violating any rules but can still be a source of stress. Those are often the “rules lawyer” type who knows exactly how to stay right on the line without crossing it.
Counterpoint is that if that person is finally banned, they’re 9 times out of 10 just going to spin up a new alt and start back up with the same shtick. If everyone just blocks them, they’re just shouting into the wind wondering why no one’s taking their bait. I dislike how Reddit had “shadow bans”, but I can see how they would be effective when used surgically.
Temp bans (a couple of days), work too. If they’re actually trolling, they usually won’t come back. Then just temp ban the next alt if they do, repeat.
Good to know, and yeah, kind of matches what I’ve observed. I tend to permaban outright trolls, but yeah, they usually spin up a new account and never come back to that, so it’s probably overkill. I guess I just don’t like leaving the door open for them to come back…just in case lol.
For me, I temp ban because it makes it more easy to do. I don’t wrestle with whether or not I’m doing the right thing. Instead, I know it’s only temp so no one was harmed if I make a mistake. It’s more for me to take out the trolls early on.
I agree with this 100%. The mods can’t get rid of the bad guys if they don’t know about them. There are very few mods for relatively big communities, help them out if you see something going bad. They might not agree with you, but it’s still good practice if people aren’t following the rules.
Agreed. I report bad behavior where I see it. I’ve only blocked one person, becausen they took a downvote as a personal attack and started DMing me.
You’re very right. Blocking when they are being an asshole is just putting your head in the sand. It might feel petty but remember that others are probably also impacted by their shitty behaviour.
I never thought I needed to block any user, because, you know, I’m a big kid and I can handle any of the dirty words. Turns out, there are just reavers out there in space with their cores exposed just letting the hatred and radiation wash over them. I have all this empathy and I know they were once people and maybe they can be redeemed, but no. They are reavers. Block and move on with caution.
I have blocked 264 users, 9 communities and 4 instances and it’s made Lemmy much better for me toxicity wise. Whenever a debate gets toxic or someone starts just insulting or discussing in bad faith or I just get a bad vibe from them - I block.
I’m with you in spirit if not numbers. My experience with hexbear users led me to blocking the whole instance, and I regularly block people I don’t even converse with based on how they treat other users or other topics. If someone has such a bad take on topic A, I don’t care about their possible opinions on topic B and C in the future.
I get the argument of echo chamber isolation, but most of the things I’m willing to block people over are also things that I won’t be changing my mind about because of a forum post.
You’ve been here for year and blocked 264 people, I mean this in the nicest way possible, but ever consider the problem is not the people you block? I think i’ve legitimately blocked maybe 20 people in my whole entire online life (I’m almost 40), most of it spent on platforms like Reddit.
But then I have a high aversion for echo chambers and only block obvious trolls, mostly to keep them from blowing up my notifications. I feel it’s much better to just not give random strangers on the internet the power to actually affect your mood.
I have a high aversion to echo chambers because I too am a human same as everyone and find people just agreeing with me grossly unstimulating and seek out takes opposite to mine to understand them, deconstruct them and apply them to my own views either to refine/change them with a newly gained perspective or to argue against the opposing view.
I blocked all of those people because they are just unsalvageable people in my view. I was discussing the finer points of relative drug danger with some guy in a thread, talking about hypothetical lethal dosages for ht-2a classical psychedelics, and the guy was bringing up “Woodstock” and “brown acid” and how he “heard of a guy” etc etc.
There’s no point discussing anything ever with a person like that, it’s clear that we think along such different lines the differences are irreconcilable, like trying to convince someone not to be a bigot or disprove someone’s belief in religion/conspiracy with evidence and reason, when they just believe in that stuff, they don’t think about it and weren’t reasoned into it.
Blocking them actually is removing their ability to affect your mood 😌
I’ve blocked communities and instances that don’t speak English, ones that have absurd ideological basis (anarchy supporters), and occasionally people who just say really dumb things, a lot.
I vastly prefer encouraging blocking over censorship/moderation. If someone is being an asshole, having the ability to say it, vent those feelings for a moment, then readjust is a catharsis that’s been nearly outlawed especially on platforms
onlike TikTok.Obviously not everything should be permitted and everything has its limits, but the internet seems to over correct things into a passionless husk of forced friendliness. To shove people into forming a facade that feels like a shrinking cage. Sterile.
Curating my own experience has been invaluable and I highly encourage it.
absurd ideological basis (anarchy supporters)
I am not a community but can you please add me to your list
This wasn’t an open invitation for everyone to out themselves but sure, take care.
Blocked for calling anarchists absurd.
That is a dumb take and you could look it up on Wikipedia if you cared and iota to read many influential anarchist authors e.g. Kropotkin or Grabber, but trying to prove wrong every wrong person on the internet I’d never have time for myself so I’m moving on.
Obligatory this isn’t an airport you don’t have to announce your departure joke.
I’ve never shyed away from arguing with anarchists but this is already resolved so thank you? The enlightened anarchist simply has no time for the meager law loving peasants.
In conclusion, your experience here can be what you make of it; don’t be afraid to just block the parts that stress you out. You’re not “creating an echo chamber” as everyone likes to say (often in bad faith) – you’re just taking care of yourself.
We really, REALLY need to de-stigmatize blocking people. Bad-faith concern trolls have successfully convinced people that “choosing not to interact with someone” is akin to censorship and also bad for us because what do you MEAN you don’t want to be disrespected by a complete stranger? Are you creating an echo chamber by preferring to be with people who are nice to you?!?!?!?
Like. No. Fuck off. That’s not how it works in real life. We’re not friends. We’re not even co-workers for me to be stuck having to be polite to you even if you’re an asshole.
You’re a complete stranger and you’re saying rude shit at me (or even at other people with me bearing witness), at best I’ll walk away because I don’t need that shit, at worst I’ll call you a wanker and hit you in the face.
I know for a fact I’m opinionated, and don’t have problems sharing them.
Please, by all means, block me if you think seeing my comments is adversely affecting you. I’d rather be ignored by someone than make their day worse (unless they’re actively trying to make others miserable, but that’s a separate discussion)
The fediverse has definitely gotten a little less hostile after blocking a few things.
And remember you can jump ship to another instance at any time! I’ve hopped a few times but for now my instance is filling my needs without much drama that I am aware of.
I quickly went over your comment history of the last 30 days and you have almost no downvotes. You are a wholesome person and I’m glad you are here!
Same!
I think it’s less about having strong opinions and more with how those are expressed. But either way, you’re here with a good attitude, and that’s appreciated.
I’ve yet to block anyone here and the only one I had blocked on Reddit was Gallowboob.
Well that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.
Is it the people that are toxic? Or is it the world or a living in right now?
toxic people made the world toxic which in turn made more people toxic
Additional PSA to admins not running a “universal free speech” instance- if you see someone someone being obnoxious it’s probably annoying your users just as much as is is you. Don’t put the onus fully on users to curate their experience. The Fediverse needs our adults in the room!
By all means, use the block feature to remove stressors if it helps.
For me personally, unless someone is actively haranguing me in DMs I’d rather not block them. Sure people can place comments that get me riled up. Or sometimes they seem downright hostile. Maybe they’re having a bad day, you can’t say. But it goes both ways, if I’m tired or having a bad day I could be misinterpreting people’s comments and blocking them for no reason.
If a comment is so bad/rude it becomes rule-breaking I’d rather report it and have a moderator tell them off, it might be a valuable lesson for them or if they are repeat offenders the mods can dish out appropriate punishment. This keeps the instance and community in question healthy.
That’s one of the benefits of the smaller community here too, the block button actually feels like it does something. If you’re frustrated by comments that add nothing to anything or are fishing for drama etc, a short commitment to blocking repeat offenders really improves things quickly
Block users and instances (although blocking instances just blocks the topic posts from that instance, not all the users from that instance).
Wish instance blocking actually blocked properly. But the main devs know everyone would block the tanky triad immediately and they’d have no one to troll.
Instance blocking works on:
- PieFed
- the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect
- instance admins who can choose to defederate
- someone willing to go deep and make a custom web browser filter (presumably like Ublock Origin I would guess)
Nothing else works.
Yes and no.
I am a big fan of block buttons and use them quite liberally (if someone responds to me in a manner that makes it clear they have no intention of having a conversation? I never see them ever again).
But the problem is that it only blocks it for the user who blocks them. So harassment is still a thing and now even fewer people are likely to flag it for moderation (to the extent that works).
There is obviously room for abuse but I am a firm believer that any block feature must be bidirectional. If user A blocks user B then A and B can no longer see each other or interact. Which would be a fundamental lemmy feature which makes things difficult.
But “just block them” is good for people who are annoying. Not for people who are abusive. And while the latter isn’t SUPER common on lemmy, there are still a good number of people who respond to the simplest of things with “Fuck you you fucking moron and you should go kill yourself”
