Victor Perez, 17, who also had cerebral palsy, had been in a coma since the April 5 shooting, and tests Friday showed that he had no brain activity, his aunt, Ana Vazquez, told The Associated Press. He had undergone several surgeries, with doctors removing nine bullets and amputating his leg.
The shooting outraged Perez’s family and Pocatello residents, and about 200 people attended a vigil Saturday morning outside the Pocatello hospital where he was treated. Another crowd of protesters gathered outside the Pocatello City Hall building, which also houses the police department, on Saturday afternoon. Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest, though no violence was reported. Many of the protesters held signs with phrases like, “Do better, PPD” and “Justice for Victor,” and passing cars honked in acknowledgment.
“Teen murdered by police” would be a better title.
As an autistic person this scares the shit out of me, and makes me realize just how fucking lucky I am to be alive with the sheer callous evil that I have seen happen towards me and others.
Gee, I bet he was brown, right?
Stories like this make my blood boil. Nothing will every be right until these thugs are put in jail where they belong. We are a long way from there right now. More than likely they will give them a raise for killing him.
Jail. You’re kinder than I.
Idastan just brought back firing squads. They’ve already used it once iirc.
That said, I feel like jail is a worse punishment. I don’t think cops fair well in jail. I want them to be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives while in prison. To never get out. To look out the barred window at the world passing them by in their cement tomb.
oh that’s a religious thing don’t get me started
All Cops Are Bastards
All Cops Are Illegitimate Children Born Out Of Wed-lock
ACAICBOOW 🤭
Really rolls right off the tongue!
Please at least know that’s not inherently the case. I’ve never been treated unfairly by the RCMP, but then Canada is my country, not yours, so I can understand you’ve probably never seen a cop who actually helped people. Police in the US are fucking awful, but that’s by design and not by trait.
I am American and really despise the way our culture not only avoids nuance but pushes it away like it’s radioactive.
I have been helped by police, I have called on police when I’ve been trouble, I’ve thanked everything I believe in to be in a country that has emergency services. When I was fighting a home-invader, seeing uniformed police come down the hall with weapons drawn was like seeing the fucking calvary charging in to save the day.
But the police are a terrible, broken, literally evil institution that needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up with an entirely new set of principles and directives and culture.
YOU CAN HAVE BOTH OF THESE BELIEFS YOU FUCKERS. ALL OF YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON THE ORCS ARE WINNING IS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO CARE ABOUT NUANCE. They routinely believe five or six different principles or ideals that are completely contradictory of each other and they don’t care. They just charge right ahead arguing both points at once and not even trying to make it make sense.
The instance about police is easy, but this needs to be extended to every social issue so we can just fucking move on and focus efforts on dismantling the system, not each other.
Upvoted because it’s better thought out than anything I can post.
https://youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=rcmp+wellness+check
Got some bad news for you chief.
I’ve literally been a victim of the mental health system and I still recognize that was doctors and nurses and orderlies that did that to me.
That’s not disputing your point, only providing counterargument with context. Those cops in particular should be fired, and are actually bastards. If there was any corruption by police officers I’ve interacted with, I was not aware at any point. Doesn’t mean this is that surprising, it’s not like reality runs on video game rules that somehow make things fair.
ACAB is a slogan. It’s not factual in the strictest sense but it captures a truth. Statistically speaking, there is at least one good cop. Maybe even two. Real Andy Griffith, Carlton Lassiter types. Their existence does not change the fact that the system is rotten to the very core, and their tacit support for that system makes them bastards, even if they themselves have never abused anyone or covered for a colleague’s malpractice. Good cops exist, but they don’t last very long.
And as the sibling comment pointed out, institutionally speaking the RCMP is a god awful example if you’re trying to make a case for good cops.
The “good” cops that you are talking about are just the ones that don’t actively molest, rape, and murder people… but still turn a blind eye and give stalwart defense to those that do.
Actual, legitimate good cops don’t stay cops for very long before being run out or their deaths arranged (Just look at Frank Serpico. who still gets death threats and harassment to this day). because actual good cops don’t turn a blind eye to the violence or corruption.
And a cop that shakes my hand and treats me with respect, but will ignore and lie to defend his partners beating me and shooting me for no reason, is not in any way a good cop.
Then give me evidence that the cops I’ve met would ignore and lie to defend corrupt cops, and I’ll budge further. Otherwise, you can’t force someone to agree with you, as much as I hate that.
Are the cops you know actively marching in the streets in the name of justice and demanding police reform from their unions and leaders? Are they actively and consistently doing this, actively working to dismantle corruption and systemic problems with policing, every day?
Because if not, that’s how we know.
Cops can’t do so except in plainclothes, it’s illegal for government employees to protest in uniform because it presents a conflict of interest if a government agency or department (or here, instead of departments, ministries).
Also, do you have any idea how much corruption in police forces can be solved just by disallowing investigation from within? Every corrupt cop hates when they can’t commit a crime and get away with it because every cop in the country is subject to 3rd party review. I don’t know for sure if we use that here, but I’ve asked cops what they think of the kinds of situations pointed out in counterarguments, and they admit it’s not a perfect system and that there’s only so much one person can do so it is unlikely to be solved.
According to your logic, policing is unacceptable. If you’re discriminated against, the US has a long history of criminalizing minorities at every level of the judicial system, yes. That doesn’t mean cops are unhindered in corruption here. Judges here prefer rehabilitation, or if the person committed a crime like assault or murder then they actually consider “is this person sane” a valid question.
There is discrimination in Canada against natives. In my experience, I’ve personally seen my dad’s Salish friend be kicked out of our house by City Hall. By a bylaw officer.
You think I did nothing? Oh no. I immediately walked to City Hall and fucking told them “I am filing a restraining order against your bylaw officer”. Grand Forks was too small to have another bylaw officer, and the one that they had was part of their inner circle, that effectively meant they could not administrate my family, which meant we were able to fight back against City Hall as if City Hall didn’t have a say.
We never saw them discriminate against my dad’s friend ever again. Beat that, you goddamn hypocrite.
Exactly.
Nobody is. If you’re going to call the kettle black, fucking admit you’re the pot. Nobody is doing anything about your fucking situation because nobody can.
You know that, right? Trump didn’t get elected. He stole it, and the reason nobody stopped him is because you let capitalism get to a point that the supposed result that he won seemed plausible. And Russian interference is probably what got him in, because bomb threats to voting stations? Record voting turnout, but lowest participation in recent years? Someone must have taken and destroyed a lot of votes…
But by the time that was known, Trump had already taken office.
You know Germany was a democracy before Hitler took power, not just after, right? Plus, even then they tricked people into supporting them because nobody yet knew the word “Holocaust”.
Nobody supports Trump except a few rich assholes betting the farm on his monstrosity. This problem was inevitable the moment WWII ended, because capitalism without regulation grows like cancer. By now, it doesn’t matter what anyone wants unless you have the money to buy the entire industry behind it.
Well, no. There are no good cops because they work within and prop up a broken and corrupt system. How many cops are you seeing stopping the vanishing of civilians and tourists, for example? If you were to step in and try to stop it yourself, how many cops would be by your side, defending you?
It works because these heinous ideas are boiled down into simple orders, and people follow orders. There were well-meaning people within the nazi party as well. I’m sure there were even well-meaning people in the concentration camps, leading people to their deaths, but they weren’t good.
That’s why all cops are bastards.
By that logic, you’re a bastard for thinking democracy is a good system because the US isn’t a good example of a democracy and you live in the US. By that logic, you have to defy all orders instead of question them (because you either obey or defy at all times), which is anarchistic at best. By that logic, capitalism is a good thing because it makes innovation profitable and thus desirable by penalizing stagnancy, which is patently false.
Poor people don’t choose to live in a society where they have no value, why would a good cop be able to choose to be in a society where all cops are perfect? Why would anyone be able to choose to be in a society where they suffer?
This isn’t a policing issue, it’s a cultural issue. This is what anarchocapitalism looks like, the inevitable result of a society brainwashed into thinking socialism and communism are the same thing.
I’ll give you a hint: The US has never been communist, but everything Trump took from you were socialist government systems that actually (barely) helped combat the money bias. Why? Because capitalism has an end goal, industrial feudalism where you are property of a corporation or a wealthy owner. And right now, the US government and it’s police force are even “deporting” white people to El Salvador.
It’s not authoritarian to follow rules that seem to make sense, it’s authoritarian to say the rules make sense if provided with opposing evidence. Some of the rules still make sense here. That is all I’m saying.
the US isn’t a good example of a democracy
This is true. I’ve never been a fan of the U.S. and their notion of democracy and freedom has always been gross to me.
you live in the US.
Big assumption.
By that logic, you have to defy all orders instead of question them (because you either obey or defy at all times)
I never said this. If more cops questioned orders, that’d be a good thing. Unquestioningly obeying is part of the problem.
Honestly. I’m too tired to reply to you. You’ve clearly got a bunch of ideas about who I am and what I think, and I’ve no idea where you got these ideas from but it sure as heck wasn’t my comment. Have a good night.
I think you’re a human being, and that not one of the people commenting in this thread seem to care that blanket statements don’t help, so why am I not also entitled to make blanket statements like “humans are stubbornly unaccepting to the point of cruelty”?
Good cops get fired.
Or “friendly” fire accidents happen.
And then random people are chatged for the murder. Never the cop who fired the shots.
There are better cases, that I agree on.
This is going too far, though. You don’t have to keep hammering like you can force me to do whatever serves your viewpoint above all others. Public conversation is about actually improving things, and I literally can’t drive a car or buy a bus ticket (and for reasons unrelated to money, politics and the topic at hand). If you want change, I have less social pull than you and I can accept being argued against, but I will not be forced to change just because every fucker on the internet has to have everyone else be part of their echo chamber.
I’ve never been treated unfairly by the RCMP
I’m guessing you’re not indigenous.
Just because they’re nice to you doesn’t mean they’re not bastards
Maybe so, but at least here people are willing to fucking put themselves between a cop and a Native Canadian they try to abuse, take it to court and the news and the internet, and generally remind people that it’s not perfect here either. Also note that my location probably has better treatment of natives than the areas natives live, which is a problem caused by politicians just like it originally was in the US. At least we try to keep it in check and don’t deny it happens.
people are willing to fucking put themselves between a cop and a Native Canadian they try to abuse
So you acknowledge that the RCMP abuse some people, but you still try to defend them?
No, I acknowledge no system is perfect and some of them are assigned specifically to places where natives commonly live by a bunch of suits in Ottawa. Here, it’s a political issue, not a policing issue. That doesn’t excuse anything, abusive RCMP officers are scum as you say, but that doesn’t mean that cops are universally or inherently evil.
At least we try to keep it in check and don’t deny it happens.
but that’s what you just did in your defense of RCMP?
If you’re going to argue in bad faith, why should I answer that?
tl;dr: Fuck off with that “you’re wrong and you’re not allowed to stop being wrong by acknowledging flaws in your own argument” bullshit.
If an RCMP officer abuses someone, that officer loses my trust. If the entire RCMP is doing so regularly, and getting away with it, and none of them care, the organization loses my trust.
I am not blind to it. I understand why it’s been happening; people in Eastern Canada have control over our government, and especially wealthy shitbags whose lineage - while not bad in itself - links them to British aristocracy and thus makes them usually racist. They put cops here on reservations specifically to oppress and it’s fucking awful.
That doesn’t mean the cops I’ve encountered would shoot a native kid or an autistic kid or any kid. That doesn’t mean the cops who have had to put up with me and the psychiatric malpractice that made me legitimately dangerous to myself and others are corrupt for taking me to a hospital instead of jail, or for tasering me when I had intent to stab myself instead of shooting me.
This shooting was not an accident. American police have always had corruption issues, under Trump it’s now off its’ leash.
I get it, native kids being in danger is NOT acceptable. In Ontario, the problem is so bad that McGill University literally buried dead “students” there. That was in the 90s, disturbingly recent.
If that happened where I live today, in the part of Canada I live in, it would be reported to the police obviously, but the important part is that they wouldn’t investigate themselves. External review of corruption is mandatory here.
Due to the aforementioned asshats in Ottawa, corruption among Reservation police is not always because of RCMP corruption, but the same reason as in the US: They have a local police force made up of scumbags seeking power. City and reservation police departments are not part of the RCMP, and are apparently allowed to investigate themselves which is obviously just so they can continue being corrupt.
I know the FBI is currently ruined by Adolf Twittler, but did you trust the FBI more than local police? The FBI are federal police. So is the RCMP. Not saying that’s necessarily why they seem good, only that local police need external review just as much as the FBI and RCMP do. The RCMP has it, and iirc so does the FBI. Mandating external review is hard to do without federal backing, and here we were lucky that the federal government itself (AFAIK) is not what investigates RCMP corruption. Ideally, it needs to be an external nonprofit organization.
This isn’t denial. It’s accepting new input. I don’t disbelieve your argument. I argue that discrimination by job doesn’t help unless you are in physical danger from corrupt police, which applies in the US because there was concerted effort to rely on “self-policing”.
Natives shouldn’t have to fear police. I hope that’s what you want to hear, because I am in no position to fix that. Otherwise, recognize at the very least that our population is very diverse: We have more Asian immigrants (and descendants) now than any other race in Canada, we have descendents of African-Americans, we have Natives like the Salish, Inuit and Iroquois, we have Europeans, we have people from Latin America. That alone is not what I’m focusing on, because diversity itself means nothing.
What I’m trying to say is, I don’t fear a cop. If I put myself between a 10 year old boy or girl from native heritage (or any other) and an arrogant cop and get shot, that would bring the full force of an investigation into it. If it wouldn’t happen for the kid alone, a grown man with passably white skin dying to protect a stranger’s child will make it happen. I think this would hold true for a teenager as well, and if it doesn’t, I die not to be a martyr for my country, but to be a martyr for fixing my country.
That is something I feel is much more likely here than the US currently. We have one problem with our cops, and we don’t approve but more importantly we are willing (and able, not saying it’s easy) to protect each other. This isn’t an attack on you, it’s a criticism of what has led your country to its’ current problems…
A lot of police policy in the US was created to oppress everyone who wasn’t white at any cost, including the legal structure. That’s the problem. Not just Jim Crow Sunset laws, the entire “self-policing” lie.
Your government has given badges and authority to a bunch of thugs, across their empire. Our government is not perfect, it has racist assholes who seem to think making millions per year is more important than respecting who we got this land from.
I can’t deny that because I knew before you posted, I chose to exclude it to argue in good faith, because I’m sick of partisan bullshit. I choose to now acknowledge it in good faith. Do not continue discussing this unless you will do so in good faith.
Even “backpedaling” acknowledges a flaw in existing knowledge. I won’t attack you if you do, but you have argued against me for it and that is a bad faith argument.
Dude, how do you still have this take in the year 2025…
Because I don’t live where you live. And no, I’m not rich. I live with my parents and brother, our house is only paid for because my parents are in their 70s and though we have no mortgage, we do have bills and taxes and we pay in a low income tax bracket because we are actually in that bracket instead of fucking lawyer loophole bullshit.
My parent’s house was paid for by selling our old house. They bought their old house 25 years earlier. That house had a 25 year mortgage. I get it, that’s more fortunate than most. That’s why I’m saying “If you weren’t that lucky, I will defend you” and not “just ask for an interest-free million dollar loan”. It’s also far less common in the US to have a paid-for home in a safe neighbourhood.
Danger from police is always possible, I am wary of them. All I know is, I can’t always trust my emotions and all it would take to destroy me is one corrupt cop, so I damn well know that I’m satisfied with the fact that the RCMP don’t get to self-investigate corruption.
Dude I have watched enough Lore Lodge to know that the RCMP are also absolute fuckwits, the difference is that they are lazy and incompetent not actively malicious.
Accused Edmonton drug dealer acquitted after judge finds ‘serious breach’ of Charter rights by RCMP
Nanaimo highway death evidence inadmissible due to RCMP errors, rules judge
Teen hit by RCMP vehicle while flagging down another RCMP vehicle: SIRT
Whitehorse RCMP ask for witnesses after downtown collision involving cyclist and police vehicle
Prince George councillors want answers after RCMP monitor city hall meeting without their knowledge
All I can say is, would this have ended there in your country? Because it didn’t here. There are consequences to actions here. That is my point when I say it is “different” here. Most crimes get punished by judges fairly and if not then afaik by external investigation teams.
There’s something to know about legal systems. An honest judge will acquit any criminal, no matter how heinous-looking and obviously guilty, if the evidence is gathered by corrupt cops or even with incorrect procedure.
Why is that honest? Because otherwise the criminal hasn’t received due process. You need warrants. You need to ensure evidence isn’t tampered with. And the moment you allow police corruption to take root in plain sight, you as a judge have betrayed justice in ways that a mere criminal or even hardened crime lord will inevitably be unable to. A criminal can commit a crime, but a cop can make law meaningless.
There are bastard cops. That cannot be covered in blanket statements about police protocol. Different places do things differently, and it works with varying degrees of success. I don’t think all American cops are evil, but yes, the vast majority are. I don’t have as much evidence against the RCMP, if you think otherwise because you do have evidence, I won’t stop you from protesting or demanding action. I just have no reason to try because my ability to affect change is less than the average person and I do not have personal experiences that would justify it.
There’s a reason TV isn’t 100% accurate, but I’ll give you a take. Lazy? Sometimes. Also underfunded. We are a country with a land area a little bit bigger than yours (assuming you’re an American) with a population of 10% that of the US. They’re spread very thin, sometimes a crime happens and it’s not serious enough to solve because you’d need DNA evidence and it’s petty theft (or, far worse, something like embezzlement).
Incompetent? Not that I’ve encountered, but I won’t discount it. That can never be discounted, no one is perfect.
Instead I propose their weakness is trust in legislation and especially political leadership. Bill C-11, the internet censorship bill, scares me. I am not stupid enough to think the RCMP couldn’t become an authoritarian nightmare at the behest of a corrupt government or puppet leaders.
All cops are bastards. Including your favorite cop.
What a stupid headline. He was killed from a police shooting, not from being removed from life support.
Maybe next time a killer is on trail he cpuld just argue that the victim just happened to die later from blood loss, not from the shooting.
I wish headlines were more direct.
“Police killed…” “Teacher raped…” “Politician lied…”
Not “Victim died after police…” “Teacher had sex with underage student…” Etc
newspapers are long in the business of not getting sued.
If you write a story about a rich enough person, they have someone whose job it is to litigate every story about them. It’s automatic. They do something news worthy and all you do is repeat the fact, the lawsuit is on your desk the same day. Doesn’t matter how truthful it is, the lawsuit is there because they are rich.
One of the reasons anti-slapp laws need to exist in all jurisdictions.
Time we started making anti-money instead. The more you invest per period of time, the less privileges and opportunities you are allowed depending on how much anti-money you’re saddled with until you die.
Oh, you don’t like that this penalizes tall poppies? I am a tall poppy. The rich cut ME off. Why? Because I was never rich but I had skill and talent and I hate people who abuse authority. Because the rich don’t care about tall poppies, they care only about THEIR legacy. Fuck the shears and the gardener, everyone.
Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest
Land of the free
We’ll kill you to keep you quiet about us killing you.
Bake 'em away, toys.
The officers, whose names have not been released, were placed on administrative leave.
Anonymity and a paid vacation for a lead amputation of a neurodivergent teen. And then they add insult to injury by posting up fucking snipers. I can’t say anything else that won’t get me a ban…
I can’t say anything about else that won’t get me a ban…
This is Lemmy, you have to worry less about banning for some stuff. But you do have to worry about things being really difficult to delete (potentially impossible, if any instances are maliciously recording things). And even upvotes and downvotes are public information in a Federated system.
That wasn’t hyperbole. That train of thought shouldn’t see the light of day.
Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest
Hey hey hey now, if you’re going to protest our violence we may get you a whole lot more that, so be careful now!
Here’s a reminder that the Black Panthers started because people realized that peaceful unarmed protests were quickly met with police violence… But peaceful heavily armed protests had cops politely watching from across the street. Turns out, cops are a lot less likely to blindly fire into crowds when the crowds are capable of returning fire with overwhelming force.
Even MLK Jr said that peaceful protest only gets you so far; Disrupting highway traffic is fine for bringing awareness to your plight, but at a certain point the lawmakers and dug-in oligarchs need to be forced to change.
Apparently, what armed protests get you is gun control. Which isn’t too bad I guess.
Yeah, I was going to mention that modern gun control was started by republicans because they were scared of armed black protestors. But that felt a little too tangential for a single comment.
Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop
JFC.
Police: oops we shot someone we didn’t have to.
Also Police: perhaps shooting more people we don’t have to will make things better.
When the people get mad at police violence, the only tool in their toolbag is more violence
When the people get mad atpoliceviolence,the only tool in their toolbag is more violenceACAB
That’s what happens when we don’t penalize corruption.
In the
soviet russiaUSA corruption is rewarded!
For a spoiler on how that could work out for them, watch Winter on Fire
Just a reminder, Blue Lives are supposed to matter less than everyone else. That’s why they sre issued a badge and a gun. They are supposed to put themselves at risk to protect the community. At least, that’s the story we’re told as kids. It’s the justification used to obtain our consent to be policed.
If police are so afraid for their safety that they kill innocent civilians, even by mistake, then they do not deserve our consent. The do not deserve authority over us, they do not deserve the free use of force, and they do not deserve the legal deference provided them by our justice system.
Blue Lives Don’t Matter, or it’s fascism.
They are supposed to put themselves at risk to protect the community.
Besides law enforcement in the US does have some origins from slave patrols.
The Supreme Court is entirely corrupt.
I don’t think he’s disagreeing with you, he’s saying that the law has said “No, police are just somehow allowed to do whatever they want and fuck you.” and that’s grounds for violent revolution because THEY JUST SHOT A KID. THEY WILL SHOOT YOUR KIDS. IF YOU ARE UNDER 18, THEY WILL KILL YOU.
Why is the police only allowed to shoot kids nowadays? What has America become? Where’s the freedom?
5 out of 9 are anyway.
Dave Grossman is a conman who should be in prison for the shits he’s peddled to the LE community; and fostering and fomenting an “us against them”.
This was chosen by design. It’s the most racist and selfish fucking bullshit you could spew, it ruined policing in the US and that’s what the republicans wanted.
The kid was on the other side of a chain link fence fence! He was literally in a cage.
Why do we put the community’s biggest cowards in charge of protecting us?
Could it possibly be because the police are not there to protect you in the first place?
To protect (private property) and serve (the capitalist class).
They are trained to fear everything and everyone. They live in a paranoid fantasy world where everyone is out to get them. They are brainwashed into thinking they are the only thing protecting societal collapse. I’ve seen a cop post an image macro that says “police are more virtuous than superman because they protect people without having superpowers.” Of course that guy is also a white christian nationslist.
Yeah, he doesn’t have superpowers, but he is carrying a taser, an asp, and a gun at all times, and he has an arsenal in his trunk.
Cops are always whining about how dangerous their job is, but lists of Dangerous Jobs usually have them in the high teens. Sometimes they dont even make the top 20.
I’ve had two jobs in the top 5, and I have NEVER walked around demanding respect because my life was in constant danger.
Fucking babies.
EMS actually has a higher on the job mortality rate than law enforcement.
And I respect their service greatly. They actually provide a very valuable service to society.
Cops, on the other hand, are primarily predatory. As much as we see this sort of violent behavior, most of their job consists of sitting by the side of the road and pulling innocent drivers over and giving them a tax increase in the form of tickets. Most people don’t go through their day worring about getting shot by cops, but every driver spends every minute on the road watching out for cops.
I had active shooter training at work. They brought in this cop who said we should have our head on a swivel at all times! Bro, I’m more worried about getting crushed by a forklift or falling off the scissor lift, or losing a finger or some shit. We are not in an active warzone (yet).
I thought maybe there was someone else on the other side with him but nope, just him, stumbling towards a fence. That’s not policing that’s a fucking execution.
ACAB.
nine bullets
Nine fucking bullets to stop a kid with a knife. What the fuck are these pigs thinking?
They didn’t even try to de-escalation the situation, or use non-lethal shit to try stop him. Just straight out emptying a magazine on him
Nine bullets that found their mark. In most police shootings it’s only about a quarter of shots that actually hit their intended target. It’s a miracle that nobody else was injured.
Nine bullets that hit the kid they were “aiming” at, who was on the other side of a chainlink fence that his cerebral palsy prevents him from scaling no less. Multiply the number of pigs involved by the magazine capacity of their firearms to find out how many rounds were actually fired.
Both awful shots, and fucking cowardly to boot.
They should be stripped of their authority and paraded through the streets tarred and fucking feathered for what they’ve done.
What they’ll get instead is paid leave, and moved to another precinct upon their return to work, at worst.
The US is fucked from the ground up, all Trump is doing is accelerating the decline, waving the corruption around like a flag, rather than behind closed doors. (Like it’s done everywhere else)
Edit: 4 pigs, guessing 11 round capacity, means 44 rounds expended, to hit with 9.
I have never fired a handgun in my life, and I am confident I could do better than that. The fact that “trained” individuals are this bad is humiliating to those involved.
Were they treating him like a fucking video game enemy or something?
No they weren’t. In video games when you kill someone you have to think before you do it because ammunition is scarce. This was more of a, so I started blasting kind of thing.
Activates god mode
Good point
ammunition is scarce
Depends on the game, in factorio you have an almost infinite amount of ammunition
People overestimate the stopping power of bullets. Bullets will indeed kill somebody but it’s not instant like in the movies.
Then maybe bullets aren’t the best way to stop someone with a knife… Pepper spray is pretty much instant, so is a taser. So is a baton to the wrist
Police are trained that it is an “us or them” situation every time they encounter someone. Everyone will try to kill you unless proven otherwise.
They are taught if someone has a knife pulled they will be able to kill them.
Now obviously a severely disabled teen would not be able to rush them before they pulled their weapons. But they are not taught to evaluate or deescalate these situations. They are taught to kill
True, which is why I think we should take away their guns. They want to waste money on toys? Let them get fishing nets and people catchers. Give them tactical weighted blankets
And if they actually need a gun, have them call a unit dedicated to having guns - another tier that doesn’t do traffic stops and wellness checks
Unfortunately I don’t think that would be practical in the US. We do have many people with guns and weapons in general. An overhaul of training and giving access to appropriate tools would be most important. As it stands US cops are taught that a gun is their best tool and that’s how they use it. Maybe enforce pairs where only the senior most trained officer has a gun?
Otherwise I would like to see a lot more unarmed units focused on community policing issues. Whether that be a part of the police force or not. I also agree with units that only do traffic enforcement nothing more. That alone would reduce cop shootings massively. Many departments treat traffic stops as a way to catch other crimes and could care less about enforcing traffic laws that keep us safe
“iD rAtHeR bE tRiEd By 12 tHaN cArriEd bY 6”
Amazing how police in other countries manage to de-escalate
They aren’t concerned with actual effectiveness. For attacking them with a weapon the pigs see summary execution as necessary.
Absolutely.
There are a lot of variables.
Yes, absolutely. But you you have somebody running towards you with a knife you don’t have time to consider and evaluate all of them. “Are they still moving” is pretty much all the input you can evaluate.
I’m not excusing the cops here. I’m just pointing out the misunderstanding of “why so many bullets” for which I will be heavily down-voted and shouted at.
Only lightly downvoted, nice
# of bullets is always an entirely understandable distraction
Was a firearm drawn? Was it discharged? Don’t care about # of bullets personally, one could kill my loved one just like 10,000 could.
Fair enough, but it seems like the cops should have the intelligence and situational awareness to understand the stopping power of a chain-link fence.
Im not a TRAINED cop, but I know that as long as he’s on the other side of the fence, armed only with a knife, I’m in no immediate danger, and I would use my words and my intelligence to try to talk him down.
If he jumps the fence, then it’s a different situation, but as long as he is caged, there are a LOT more steps to go through before we land on a magdump by multiple cops.
Frankly, I think the situation here is that one super-cowardly (or overly aggresive and trigger-happy) cop panicked and fired, and the rest unloaded, too, just to cover for the first one. Now they can’t just blame one bad cop, they have a bunch, which makes it look more justified. They probably talk about this strategy in the locker room - “If one fires, we all fire.”
I have heard multiple firearms trainers give statements to the effect of
If your open hand skill [unarmed fighting] sucks, you will rush to the firearm instead of other options because you don’t have faith in yourself. And when the first bullet doesn’t do the magic of an ‘instant stop’ like people pretend, you’ll end up mag dumping.
And if you watch police body-cam footage, you can see their panic switch pull the trigger, and then the cadence of gunfire rapidly picks up after that first shot.
Go look at any police force in Europe where the ‘suspect with a knife’ gets vastly different treatment.
- Police gang up and tackle them
- Nets/bolas style deployable restraints
- Low speed vehicle ramming to get the suspect on the floor and dazed
- Beanbag/less lethal shots to the body for pain compliance/muscle shock so they drop the knife
Euro cops almost always have a pistol, but the mentality is completely different regarding shoot v no-shoot
Yeah - it’s the panicy bit that’s such a problem. They failed the moment they opened fire. Cops need to be better trained to understand the difference between life threatening and not. And that frankly that their job is to accept some risk on behalf of the public.
The purpose is not to kill
