IIRC it’s not tariffs that are keeping BYD out. There’s some kind of law that’s preventing them from selling their cars in the United States all together. I may be wrong about this I just seem to remember reading something of that nature.
In a nutshell, it was the tax credit. The law confirming the tax credit made it impossible for any foreign made electric vehicles to qualify for it. It is a protectionist scheme like the chicken tax, but implemented in a far different way.
On the plus side, if Trump axes the tax credit BYD may start selling in the US. Even with the ridiculously inflated tariffs, BYD is cheaper than a Tesla or other EV on the market.
Well it charges faster, has assisted driving and native android auto. The Bolt takes an hour to fast charge from 10-80%, has lane assist (as an addon) and Android Auto. For 12 grand more than what you’d pay for the Seagull in Europe.
Not surprised. American vehicle company will be bankrupt. Rented BYD in Asia, its quite luxurious tbh. They thought of lot of little things to make it comfy and better than even Tesla.
I traveled in one, in Germany last year. I was quite impressed. I did note a few minor concerns e.g. the stitching wasn’t tight enough to be recessed. It will get damaged easily. The fact that my complaints are on that level says a lot, however.
And yes, they are on my “to buy” list, unlike Tesla.
Yeah, everyone thought that Chinese cars would have terrible safety and quality, and then the Chinese cars actually turned up and they didn’t. And the auto industry collectively made a whoopsie in their pants.
They’re still pushing the narrative that Chinese cars are garbage though, because that and tariffs are all that they’ve got.
What you’ve claimed very much contradicts what I personally have in mind about strict safety requirements in EU. And you do not provide any links to your claims either… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Here is an abstract from a reply by Claude 3.7 Sonnet:
European type approval is generally considered more demanding, requiring vehicles to meet requirements before being sold across the EU.
North American certification is more self-certification based, with manufacturers declaring compliance to NHTSA/Transport Canada standards.
Thanks! It’s quite ironic, that you present your opinions only, but obviously expect people to offer something else, like (scientific?) materials or links to some research results. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’d agree, that it is definitely curious to see the factual comparison of european and N.american safety requirements.
But since it’s an exchange of opinions - i guess it’s fair it’s not only you who is sharing your views)
Ps:
Using LLM is interesting (at least, for me):
the AI tool replies might be the representation of public views. Thus, these are statistically coherent with what most people think /say on certain topic. Or this is my understanding of how this technology works.
And i will certainly trust the report by an AI tool more, than what an unknown user has to offer as an anecdotal evidence.
Basically a Chevy bolt for $11,000 (top trim).
200% tariffs won’t protect Chevrolet.
IIRC it’s not tariffs that are keeping BYD out. There’s some kind of law that’s preventing them from selling their cars in the United States all together. I may be wrong about this I just seem to remember reading something of that nature.
This is what you’re thinking of:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax
No, that’s still just a tariff. It also only applies to light trucks. Doing a negligible amount of googling brought up this:
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/why-hasnt-byd-entered-the-us-with-its-evs-yet-blame-the-inflation-reduction-act-208737.html
In a nutshell, it was the tax credit. The law confirming the tax credit made it impossible for any foreign made electric vehicles to qualify for it. It is a protectionist scheme like the chicken tax, but implemented in a far different way.
On the plus side, if Trump axes the tax credit BYD may start selling in the US. Even with the ridiculously inflated tariffs, BYD is cheaper than a Tesla or other EV on the market.
It’s probably the same law that de facto bans French cars in the US.
Well it charges faster, has assisted driving and native android auto. The Bolt takes an hour to fast charge from 10-80%, has lane assist (as an addon) and Android Auto. For 12 grand more than what you’d pay for the Seagull in Europe.
Chevy is fucked
BYD is effectively banned in the US, along with all other Chinese vehicles.
Not surprised. American vehicle company will be bankrupt. Rented BYD in Asia, its quite luxurious tbh. They thought of lot of little things to make it comfy and better than even Tesla.
Chinese brands are dominating the Australian EV market. BYD has a multiple compelling options, MG with their MG4.
If my car was written off tomorrow I’d be test driving a BYD.
I’m not even aware of any American EV here despite a recently strong presence in the yank tank market (eg Ford ranger).
If a Ranger counts as a “Yank Tank”, the monster trucks I see everywhere in Indiana would disgust you…
I traveled in one, in Germany last year. I was quite impressed. I did note a few minor concerns e.g. the stitching wasn’t tight enough to be recessed. It will get damaged easily. The fact that my complaints are on that level says a lot, however.
And yes, they are on my “to buy” list, unlike Tesla.
it they are afraid the cheap cars will overcompete against the more expensive, bloated ev. its overpriced, newer ones around 40-50+k
Yeah, but basic safety standards will.
Yeah, everyone thought that Chinese cars would have terrible safety and quality, and then the Chinese cars actually turned up and they didn’t. And the auto industry collectively made a whoopsie in their pants.
They’re still pushing the narrative that Chinese cars are garbage though, because that and tariffs are all that they’ve got.
I don’t get how people who are apparently so pro capitalism seem so upset about competition.
Because the other guy is winning, of course
That’s easy, their real belief is that they need to make as much money as possible. They’re only pro-capitalism when it means making more money.
BYD sells in Europe. They do ok. It’s no Chery Amulet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9jeF_ADG4
Making a safe inexpensive car is easy when you don’t over inflate the price of basic safety equipment like airbags.
And in Australia, we don’t have any tarrifs on Cars. BYD keeps rocketing up the sales charts, along with Geely under all its combined labels.
No Seagulls here though.
They have pretty high tariff rates in the EU tbf[0], obviously not anything like 104%, but still very high compared to normal rates.
[0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly20n4d0g9o
We need to return the magical amulet to the bu-nana king, Chhhaarrrliieeeee!
Safety standards aren’t the same in Europe and North America and Europe is less restrictive on very small vehicles.
What you’ve claimed very much contradicts what I personally have in mind about strict safety requirements in EU. And you do not provide any links to your claims either… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Here is an abstract from a reply by Claude 3.7 Sonnet:
“by Claude”
Lulz, off to the block list with you
Thanks! It’s quite ironic, that you present your opinions only, but obviously expect people to offer something else, like (scientific?) materials or links to some research results. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’d agree, that it is definitely curious to see the factual comparison of european and N.american safety requirements. But since it’s an exchange of opinions - i guess it’s fair it’s not only you who is sharing your views)
Ps: Using LLM is interesting (at least, for me): the AI tool replies might be the representation of public views. Thus, these are statistically coherent with what most people think /say on certain topic. Or this is my understanding of how this technology works. And i will certainly trust the report by an AI tool more, than what an unknown user has to offer as an anecdotal evidence.