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“He probably did it as a joke.”
Actual excuse I’ve heard from multiple people.
I thought the point of a joke was to be funny? What is funny about memeing a Nazi salute?
People are goddamn morons.
They’re lying. The joke is on you.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean-Paul Sartre
Cognitive dissonance, baybee.
I don’t think it’s lack of intelligence, but people just following the path of least resistance. It’s uncomfy to come to terms with the fact that a Nazi is in an extremely powerful unelected position, so obviously he can’t possibly be a Nazi and everything is fine :D
Some people are just goddamn morons though.
makes sense
Still not a fan of pizzacakecomics. The ones that are supposed to be funny aren’t, imho, and the political ones are way too heavy-handed for my taste.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I agree with the content, but for a comic that’s on the reddit frontpage all the time it’s an incredibly crude way of getting the point across.
Pizzacakecomics is on the frontpage of reddit exactly because it’s heavy-handed and only mildly funny. But this is one of those “if Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil” kinda situations, so I give them proper recognition for speaking up.
Well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
i think it’s a fairly good satire of the situation… of course musk didn’t say he was a nazi, but he did give the contemporary neo-nazi salute of hitting his chest first… twice in a row, the same way….
and there’s actually an argument as to whether or not he meant it… even though it’s not ambiguous at all, and he’s had a history of promoting far-right content, the AfD, and his wealth originates in Apartheid South Africa and is obviously soak in blood….
it’s pretty absurd that anyone would deny it.
It’s an incredibly crude lie they’re telling you when they say they don’t see it.
Omg, just because he said he’s a Nazi doesn’t mean he actually is one. You need to remember he’s autistic. He’s on the spectrum. Are really harassing this poor man on something he can’t control?!
Speaking of can’t control. There are people with a condition called hemiballismus that have rapid violent outstretching of one arm. Even these people don’t look as much like a Nazi as Elon did.
Nazi on the spectrum.
I imagine there were a bunch at the camps who loved counting
I just love how this whole affair and people* using autism as an apology just makes it seem like autists are all braindead, naive and entirely unaware that the way we behave and ourselves communicates something about us. We might not always know just what it communicates or how we ought to behave to communicate, but I’m pretty sure it I did my best impression of some figure I adore, I’d do it in the full knowledge that it communicates “I like this figure and I wish to be like them”.
*not you, I understand your comment to be a parody, but the pattern it parodies obviously exists
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Nazism on steroids!!
I was told the real NAZIs were liberals.
The no true Scotsmen skit is due for a refresh, with a group making excuses about how a series of people aren’t real Nazis.
No true Nazi?
Who could have guessed that the rich white South African would turn out to be a white supremacist?
And Space Karen also believes he has diplomatic immunity.
Sorry but, no. Stereotypes are bad.
He’s a white supremacist. That’s all that matters here.
Except South Africa has a specific history where being a white South African, raised in the era in which he was raised, can be expected to have a very relevant influence on how he sees the world.
Imo the rich part matters too
It matters in the same way that fire can kill you. If you’re in a house fire, you died of smoke, not fire. But…fire can still kill you, and is dangerous.
The (white) African I know said that virtually all south Africans they spoke with would be casually racist without a thought about it
Doesn’t make it true for all white South Africans.
If we’re ever going to move forward, I think we need to stop seeing others as only members of various groups, each of which we have prejuidces about.
No one here is doing that. What was said is that if a south African does a racist thing, you shouldn’t go out of your way to give them benefit of doubt.
Not all white South Africans are rich.
Darthelmet specifically talked about rich white South Africans.
And in the time that musk’s family lived in South Africa, apartheid was still a thing.
Where the attitude comes from matters a lot actually. It informs the conversation and gives relevant context that can be used to determine the veracity of the claim that, no he’s not just some awkward guy making a weird gesture, he’s a fucking rich white South African who grew up believing that some people are more important than others.
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stereotypes exist for a reason. they are observations made by society against society.
the only problem with them is when you apply stereotypes to individuals directly, then it’s prejudice.
calling rich white south Africans racist or Nazis holds true.
calling Jimbob a Nazi because he’s a rich white south African is prejudice.
now…calling him a Nazi after he heils in front of a camera makes him a proof of the stereotype.
WHO is downvoting this??? You’re absolutely right!
I am! Because the fact that his family, the figures he looked up to, and he himself, all directly benefitted from the system of apartheid that was a specific integral part of the system in South Africa from which they derived their gains?
That is relevant in the same way that saying “he was born in Alabama in the 1850s, is the son of a slaveholding knight of the golden circle, and owns a lot of bedsheets with eyeholes cut in them” would be a valid set of concerns, all of which can be used as valid identifiers that, why, yes, these add together to paint a picture of the culture that this hypothetical man is most likely to espouse. So when he “accidentally” lights a cross on fire while holding a rope with a slipknot in his offhand, do we really think that the tied slipknot at the end of his rope is to lead cattle, or is it more likely that he intends to lynch someone?
That’s all too many words. You don’t need all the exposition. You know how you know the guy you described is a racist? By the the fact that he’s a racist. Doing racist things.
All that other stuff is extra padding.
Sorry use many words. I see question, think want answer. Am wrong?
“OMG guys look. Nazis were a specific group in Germany circa the 1940’s. Elon is just a massive, authoritarian loving racist, okay? Not a Nazi. Read a dictionary.”
God I wish I just came up with that joke myself instead of basing it on real arguments I’ve heard. 😮💨
If he’s not from the Nazi region of Germany, he’s not real Nazi, he’s just a sparkling fascist. 🧐
(Not an original comment, but it’s too good not to recycle)
I’ve gotten really wary of people when they start splitting hairs:
- “Nazis were a specific group in Germany”
- “What’s happening is Gaza isn’t a real genocide”
- “Hebephilia is not the same as pedophilia”
- “cartoon animal sex isn’t the same as beastiality”
I mean…yeah, ok. You’re not wrong in adding that one to the pile, but also it’s really weird that was your instinctive go-to on this subject.
We’re over here talking about genocide, and hate, and war, and death. You’re over here like “Hey, don’t forget how some people find looney toons sexy!”
Lol ok that’s fair
Ouch, some folks ain’t gonna like this comment
Oh I know. Im not sorry. They know why wanking to animal sex isn’t right.
Drawings can’t hurt you, dawg.
Never said they do. I’m just describing a certain subset of people.
It isn’t, but they’re still wrong’uns if you ask me.
Enjoying watching animals having sex is beastiality. It is wrong, I agree.
“It’s not beastiality”.
“Well that doesn’t mean it’s beastiality”
Lol
Isn’t that why we have the term neonazi? Nothing watered-down about that!
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
He could have meant anything.
Guys, guys, guys! You got it all wrong! He was clearly slapping his chest to activate the homing becon to send a request to his home planet, so they can send a UFO to come pick him up! Then he used his arm as an antenna!!!
See? The whole space exploration obsession was just his way of trying to fund a way home.
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Coward and a Nazi apologist? Color me surprised.
