Yeah I was just clarifying that Bernie is not a democratic socialist himself, he just misuses the label (although that misuse is more common than not nowadays)
What I am saying is that he may actually be one, but he pushes social democrat politics as progressive steps towards democratic socialism. Also probably by electoralism, to avoid scaring some voters.
Looking into it further, you may be right. It looks like in his younger days he was more vocally socialist and pushed harder for more immediately and obviously socialist ideas but tempered that at some point, likely to make himself more appealing to win elections. Some people claim he is not a real socialist regardless because he is reformist.
You seem to be correct according to his Wikipedia pages, he describes himself as a democrat socialist (which is more anti-capitalist than social democrat), but also an admirer of Northern European social democracies, and certainly an opponent of neo-liberalism. I guess he would oppose communism in his vision of giving economical power to people through democratic worker unions and cooperatives, rather than having everything centralized by an authoritarian state.
As far as I know, they are social-democrats, full-left would be anti-capitalist or anarchist, which they are not.
I thought Bernie was at least an actual socialist. That’s the impression I got.
He claims democratic socialist, but his stated policies are social democrat.
Isn’t it compatible with the democrat socialist philosophy of progressive change as opposed to a revolution?
Yeah I was just clarifying that Bernie is not a democratic socialist himself, he just misuses the label (although that misuse is more common than not nowadays)
What I am saying is that he may actually be one, but he pushes social democrat politics as progressive steps towards democratic socialism. Also probably by electoralism, to avoid scaring some voters.
Looking into it further, you may be right. It looks like in his younger days he was more vocally socialist and pushed harder for more immediately and obviously socialist ideas but tempered that at some point, likely to make himself more appealing to win elections. Some people claim he is not a real socialist regardless because he is reformist.
You seem to be correct according to his Wikipedia pages, he describes himself as a democrat socialist (which is more anti-capitalist than social democrat), but also an admirer of Northern European social democracies, and certainly an opponent of neo-liberalism. I guess he would oppose communism in his vision of giving economical power to people through democratic worker unions and cooperatives, rather than having everything centralized by an authoritarian state.
These discussions never lead to anything productive.
I firmly-believe most people who engage in them are autistic.