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Banned sunzu2 from the community Ask Lemmy reason: Will not tolerate blind alignment with Luigi Mangione expires: in 3 days
Alright good folk, what’s your take here.
Needs clarification.
Maybe they just don’t want people to promote murder as a form of political action, although the log is not clear.
That would be a pretty common position, probably aligned with the rules of most communities on Lemmy and can be completely unrelated to protecting corporations, the system or whatever other people are jumping to.
Health care executives sentence millions to death because saving their lives isn’t profitable. If you kill someone attempting to take your life, that’s self-defence.
I am on board with promoting self-defence as a form of political action.
In my country, physical self-defense is relevant to the moment of the aggression and is required to be proportional (which is complicated, I concede). If you later go look for the aggressor to exercise your right to “self-defense”, that’s vengeance and personal justice, not self-defense anymore. This is usually forbidden in democratic countries because it could have a lot of negative effects of society.
Overall, unless the laws and logic are very different in the USA, I don’t think this could be considered self-defense. This is also not going to stop the abuse by insurance companies since thousands of people can replace this guy, so it’s more about sending a message, isn’t it. What do we usually call the method of killing people to send a political message?
“we” is carrying a lot of weight because one man’s ‘terrorist’ is another man’s ‘freedom fighter’
You’re right, I should have said “some people” instead.
“Moment of aggression” is an interesting point, especially when the aggression is drawn out over a period of months. If someone puts an explosive collar on your neck, then every moment until the collar is disarmed should count as a moment of aggression.
I will accept that the attack was not proportional, but not in the way you think. The initial aggression took thousands of lives, drawn out over an agonising amount of time. Luigi took one, and it was quick.
The message was supposed to change how healthcare is dealt with, and to save lives as an extension. The hope is that one of the thousand will accept the message and change their behaviour to protect themself. It’s the same as the hope that a punch will make your attacker stop punching you. That punch is self-defence, even if it doesn’t work.
Final note? The fact that “stop letting innocents die for profit” is political says a LOT.
The point of the “moment of aggression” is that there is no way any democratically legitimated power can protect you immediately in the moment of a physical aggression. Unlike an unfair insurance system where you should be able to get legal protection and sue to claim your rights. If the system doesn’t protect one’s rights enough, then one should work on improving it through getting involved in the democratic process. Are they voting? Are they demonstrating? Have they done everything they could to support the politicians that defend their values, or risked themselves to carry the burden of becoming one? Killing people is just going to illegitimate your opinion, and also probably negatively impact the other people who share it too.
Any intervention on society, with a goal to impact it, is political, I don’t know what surprises you there.
How is my opinion on his actions "promoting murderx?
Has has not even been convicted of anything and you are going off what teevee told you for this analysis.
Same response as the one you already received by someone else for the same question, so I didn’t add to it. https://jlai.lu/post/14533062/12060318
Sure buddy 🤡
The fact that the idea of defending yourself is being censored and bootlickers cheer this on is prolly the reason why owner class feels this brazen to systemcally kill peasants for profit.
That’s a less popular but more rational take on this matter than just calling them boot lickers and sycophants.
I understand other people’s takes, but to me that’s just jumping to conclusions.
Did you read my comment as promoting murder?
What does this even mean?
Also, but even if we accept your theory as true, ain’t there is a lot of selective enforcement with respect to “murder promotion”
Why does Brian Thompson get this special treatment on fedi of all places?
The chain of conversation was:
There is absolutely no reasonable way to interpret that other than “Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong when he killed Brian Thompson, and that’s how you seriously fight fascism”. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I am saying own your words rather than doing this bullshit dance around them
Thank you for answering him on my behalf. This expresses exactly what I thought.
How is this “to promote murder”?
https://lemmy.world/comment/14592254