Did you mean to direct this at me?

I denounce Zionism. Some Zionists are not as bad as others.

I support Zionism. Some Zionists are worse than others.

You seem to gloss over what’s important (the first stipulation), by arguing for the latter stipulation, which is on the surface true, no matter how formulated. Although, the “not as bad as” formulation makes it clearer that this is a simple case of relative privation.

Mainstream politics in the west, left and right, supports Zionism. And that’s what’s most relevant. Everything else can be assumed a diversion, unless otherwise proven.

The Israel project was misguided from the beginning, but it could have been justified in the immediate aftermath of the holocaust. Now?

European Jews* grabbing land and displacing people in another continent to create a new faux-nation, all facilitated by the British empire (with help from the French, and the already mentioned soviets) is “justified” because they suffered a holocaust! at the hands of Nazis who actually had an agreement with Zionists before the war (yes, Nazi Germany itself was on the list of facilitators, together with soviets)!

I’m not necessarily attacking you personally btw. I’m just showing that your positioning, common among some mainstream leftists today, is neither historically informed, nor logically, intellectually, or morally consistent. This positioning, precise in its “filtering”, is designed specifically to score points in the mainstream right-left political theater. A theater that has staunch Zionists in every faction, to the point where Zionism was often the easiest uniting factor one can point to.

That is not to say that all apparent opposition to Zionism in mainstream politics is fake. But whatever genuine opposition that exists out there, is an opposition to factions within Zionism, not Zionism itself. And it’s often an extension of local/national factional fights within that theater.

* Many were atheist and non-religious cultural Jews btw.

And the mask is off.

Massacres in 2024 are abhorrent and a very big deal. Massacres in 1948 were unfortunate, preferably not mentioned at all.
Population displacement is abhorrent and criminal in 2024. But it was “understandable” in 1948.
Colonialism in 1948 was okay whenever it had good enough red paint!

Many of you are not against Zionism. You are specifically against the Jabotinskyists leading the Zionist entity’s scene today. And the opposition itself is not that genuine. It’s just a part of the moral posturing arsenal for scoring points in the right-left political theater.

“Nazi” is not a generic synonym for “bad person” or “mass murderer” or “genocider”. I know it’s common place, but this is the laziness I’m talking about. If we start using every word by its generic connotations or goodness/badness, then these words will no longer serve as a distinctive epistemological tool.

And there is actually a historical irony here, in the context of doing this with Zionism. The soviet union and its bolsheviks actually supported the Zionist entity in its first decade of existence, and actively so. Massacres against villagers and other events from that era didn’t cause any deterrence to that support. They even went as far as making Arab communists work as what would effectively be described today as Mossad agents. This alignment only started to shift circa ~1958.

Should we call the soviets from that era “Nazis”?

If we want to principally oppose Zionism, and we should be, then we need to be educated, informed, and diligent against falling for traps like those from the mainstream right-left political theater.

They are neoliberal DNC types.

Calling everything “Nazi” is lazy and whitewashes a big chuck of zio-aligned mainstream politics that doesn’t explicitly identify as righter-than-center-right.

I only use the free models on offer by duck.ai, and do it sparingly and in a self-contained manner. I decided that if those models are not enough for a problem, then I would probably be better off seeking a source with real authority and intelligence. They can track my anonymous private (network and browser) sessions all they want 😎, if they wish to.

(And that annoying non-cross-poster can go fuck itself. I’m deliberately posting this here because of it. So, Mission Accomplished!)

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