https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

LOTR did not have complex villains in the slightest? They were bad period. Morgoth is literally evil incarnate, Sauron was evil af appreciating craft doesn’t make him good, Saruman was considered completely fallen, Gollum did not have a path to redemption he had moments of humanization. They were pretty straight forward. You could argue depth was added in the Silmarilian but there wasn’t really a humanizing element to call them complicated or morally complex, they were morally simple and some had a reason they fell to corruption.

Smaug, the Goblin King, Shelob. Evil as hell.

I guess some of the corrupt humans were more morally ambiguous but it never left you feeling unsure if someone was good or evil, it is pretty crystal clear.

What modern media enables selfish behavior no matter the cost? Breaking Bad is literally about the cost, Game of Thrones is about everyone is basically not a good person.

The best morally complex character I can think of is Magneto. He’s not a good guy, he’s not doing good things but in his position you’d ask yourself “what would I do different?” he’s trying to prevent trauma he’s already experienced and he unashamed about it.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage_in_the_United_States

The Battle of Blair mountain caused a steep drop in labor unions, nearly bankrupted the UMWA and these conversations didn’t continue until like almost a decade later.

The French Revolution brought a reign of terror which birthed into an ineffective and corrupt government that then fell to Napleon, who you can talk about in length but he banned worker unions and prioritized employers over employees. History likes to treat him as if he was some kind of regular man’s hero but he wasn’t, he absolutely always sided with power and money.

What are you talking about?

What about anime? They’re gotten goofier and brighter in my opinion. Popular stuff used to be Inuyasha, Fullmetal Alchemist. Then you had Death Note, Bleach, Naruto. These are all on a scale of pretty moody with tads or dapples of sunshine and goof.

Now there’s animes like “I was turned into a hedgehog and my girlfriend isn’t sure how to respond!” It’s wayy fucking goofier and brighter.

What happened was people knew the world wasn’t good guys and bad guys, it became clear that morality was grey and for good reason.

Most rights we got were from voting it is untrue to say we got them through violence. I don’t think it is right to tell people to go die for change when non-violent options lead to solutions.

Disability Act, Women’s right to vote, removal of the poor tax on voting, Indian Citizenship Act.

The Battle of Blair mountain for instance caused an immediate backlash that historians actually believe delayed worker’s rights. Stonewall happened decades before any policy change. Making your voice heard and educating people to join up in collective action is what makes change, violence either causes backlash or completely collapses a government. The French Revolution for instance ended in military dictatorship. Violence will happen but it is absolutely not true to say it causes change, it often doesn’t.

And then there are the dozens of elections that resulted in positive policy change that required no violence, dozens of non-violent movements that did cause sweeping changes directly.

If voting didn’t matter, they would not put so much effort and money into denying people’s vote.

“progress in when big strong men get voted for and take action” or something. I do feel sorry for you

What the fuck? Weirdest shit to say while advocating violence.

Slaves were not freeing themselves, they were on the run. They were not safe. They did not get a fair shot in the world and most often did not get to live successful lives. And even after passing those amendments that stuff still didn’t get better but they had the law on their side and that changed history. Slaves had been fighting and running for centuries before countries started passing laws to change that, the only reason why slavery isn’t as big of a thing today is because laws were codified to stop it. And the only reason why that happened was because stories were shared, insight was offered and empathy, understanding and knowledge won. You’ll probably say something super disrespectful acting like Americans working today with their AC, Internet, eating more food than anyone back then could imagine is slavery but that is absolutely absurd. It isn’t fair today, we can do better but my god the calls for violence are pathetic when solutions are right in front of your face.

Japanese internment ended six months after Japan surrendered

So it ended because of policy, not because of violence? What are you pointing out here I don’t understand? The internment of Japanese citizens was wrong but it wasn’t because of some violent episode it ended?

Trump, Bush, FDR and Lincoln all took horrific actions.

Great explanation? Lincoln has two main problems from what I remember - he changed the law to arrest people who opposed the war, protested, editors of newspapers, Confederate sympathizers which you can definitely say wasn’t cool but on the other side, these were people basically supporting slavery or at least being Ed Sheeran about the enslavement of people, so feel how you want about that I dunno. He also continued the abuse of Indigenous Americans which is super fucked up, but you’re starting to fall into the leftist problem where suddenly nobody is perfect, everyone is bad and now you’ve set such impossible ridiculous standards nothing will get done it’s called a circular firing squad, and it’s really fucking dumb especially when looking back in history and applying modern lens on these people’s entire actions. Lincoln ended slavery, that is what happened and it was for the best.

Nat Turner’s Rebellion

Have you heard of the Battle of Blair Mountain? Tons of people here on Lemmy will tell you actions like that helped acquire worker’s rights but they actually didn’t. Historians look back and recognize it likely delayed worker’s rights because the response was suppression as a form of retribution/punishment. This same thing happened with Nat Turner’s Rebellion. You did not get the weekend because people died for it, you got the weekend because people worked together to get it. They spoke, they voted, they educated.

Violence is an important part of history and politics.

Yes it is but looking at history violence almost always just makes things way fucking worse. Cherry picking instances of violence you support isn’t the look you think it is. When you have an option to actually JUST FUCKING VOTE. And make change without killing innocent people, many of them poor and unable to escape violence, YOU’RE the asshole here. Don’t you understand that? You’re basically demanding people throw their bodies into a meat grinder to get what you believe is right.

The Haitian Rebellion was the only successful slave rebellion and that was because a multitude of reasons that had nothing to do with their choice to be violent. Their adversaries were weakened, slavery was already being seen as a cruel and evil thing, smart people used their words to get everyone to work together. It wasn’t violence that achieved independence for them. Nat Turner did his best as did John Brown, so did Lincoln, so did FDR, and so did Obama, regardless of how you choose to view these people they did want to make a change that was positive just like you do. Left-leaning people want so badly for the best candidate possible, they literally want a messiah to be every option they have and they want every scenario to have a pretty little solution with no bloodshed or cruelty, but then they also want to engage with violence and cheer on slaughtering of the bad guys. It doesn’t make sense. Crucify and kill anyone who isn’t perfect and all you’re left with is more violent people?

My point isn’t violence is bad and you’re dumb for saying it or something, my point is calling for violence is bad when you have such an easy fucking lay up of a solution. Which is to just fucking vote, get the right people in and let time march forward. If you try to engage in violence you will enact the suffering of so many people who don’t choose that for themselves. Slavery wasn’t defeated with a sword, kings weren’t defeated by the guillotine. It was by the word and the pen and knowledge that we were able to push past these awful things in history. I find it absolutely absurd how many people want to leap to violence and can’t understand they are literally the monsters they hate, history literally teaches us this time and time again. A revolutionary force engages in violence to make change, then that violence becomes the norm and they continue the violence because they believe they were correct to be violent in the first place.

This post is fucking stupid because it completely ignores times in history where collective action, voting and education made the most drastic changes - voting rights for women/POC/the young/the poor/the disabled, apartheid ended because of sanctions, the Great Salt March, the Singing Revolution, it goes on and on where non-violence got better results than violence ever could’ve. It is through collective action and taking back your government system. If voting did not matter they wouldn’t put so much god damn effort to get people to not vote. Murdering Caesar did not make Rome better.

I dislike this line of thinking because often what this sort of violence does is delegitimize these claims at the same time. For the few times it has worked, it hasn’t worked a lot.

On top of that, slavery ended because the government made laws against it. Interment ended because the government changed. How many awful things never came about BECAUSE of voting? Imagine if Trump didn’t win. Imagine if Roger Stone never got Bush elected? What if FDR wasn’t elected? What if Lincoln didn’t win?

It’s just a poor way of thinking.

…yes?

I don’t understand what you’re implying exactly you’re being condescending with no reason?

It’s as I said. People were talking about it probably being bad, were confirmed it was bad and continue to act surprised it is bad with constant posts like this “LOOK HOW BAD THIS GAME IS” after it was known to be bad.

I don’t really pay attention to big title games/released like this, I knew from other’s posting it was going to be bad before it released. For the last few weeks all I’ve heard is this game being bad. So honestly, I don’t know but apparently they knew. Because somehow I knew too.

Edit : I googled. Found a post from 4 months ago where apparently they spoke about lore stuff that suggested the game will suck, then a post from a month ago talking about how Wolverine fans are aptly aware it will suck. So again, no idea how people knew but they clearly knew.

Before this game even came out people knew it was bad

I’m so sick of hearing about games that suck. Just don’t buy them, stop talking about it. What the fuck are these people doing? Why must they play every game that companies tell them to play and why must these communities talk about it?

Don’t you understand this is what causes these problems?

Piece of trash

It is. But I still understand it.

Controversial opinion, a lot of those artists are already paid when it comes to TV. Fuck that, in my opinion.

Glad I spent my teens and 20s getting stoned and reading the shit out of wikipedia before this shit happened. Can’t trust anything written online now.

I don’t think people have an issue with North Koreans as people though. It’s solely a government issue, and what you said is definitely true there is heavy information control used to intentionally keep people ignorant. So while the sanctions placed upon them are a barrier definitely, I wouldn’t say it is a major barrier when the country can’t even allow outside information which seems extremely dystopian to the western world.

And then you see how the Kim regime demands to be treated, it is hard not to view them as brutal in some capacity. So it isn’t really “them” the people as much as “them” the government.

It actually gives you wiiings. Which apparently they do to avoid false advertisement or some shit?

Look I’m of the opinion that we’re all gonna die and if I’m drinking energy drinks regularly, it’s not cause I am aiming to live a healthy life.

But don’t all those zero calorie, alternate sweeteners also apparently cause heart problems and other stuff as well?

Damn I didn’t wanna end up on the news today!

Last post 9 hours ago.

Decides to reply to my random comment down a chain on a thread you had no opinion on beforehand. 7 minutes into your comment you get an upvote?

That seems legit. Exposed yourselves idiot.