I think they meant weapons from Ukraine ending up in Palestine, which hasn’t been proven AFAIK.

i like your coy avoidance. dude’s an open banderite. that’s a nazi. that’s what i mean when i say people like him.

so anyway, why did zelensky’s totally not a nazi government pick a blatant nazi to be one of their ambassadors? why was he not fired and buried in a pit when he displayed his naziness to the whole world? why was he just recalled and sent to another country to continue to be a nazi ambassador?

this doesnt sound like a country that’s on top of it’s supposedly tiny nazi minority. a country that lets them shell the donbass for years, seemingly unable or unwilling to stop them. a country that seems to always picks nazis (tattoos, patches) for its army PR pictures.

oh, and there’s this also to prove how tiny the nazi minority is in ukraine: 31% of them approve of bandera. 76% percent of those who live in western Ukraine have a positive opinion towards Bandera (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7138).

but Nazi parties are still a super tiny minority (like Right Sector) and so are the Nazi battalions who got incorporated into the army

lol, peak liberal brain. These heavily-armed Nazi groups are incorporated into the army and people don’t vooooooooooot for them, surely they have no power.

It’s hard to get pictures of Ukrainian army without Nazi symbols? What…?

No mention of the discrimination and shelling of civilians in the east by Ukrainian government. No mention of NATO aggression since the 90s against Russia. Serious usage of the word “authoritarian” as if this is a genuine political description. Stating that the west did not want this war (?? Wtf). Dismissing off hand in the first part the very real critiqures of Ukraine and NATO as Russian propaganda. The whole thing stinks of radliberalism.

He tries to position zelensky as a poor guy just caught between evil Russians and evil Nazis. Total bullshit. The only grain of truth is that yes, Nazis have many weapons and manpower in Ukraine. So why did Zelensky elevate them during those grand tours all around the world begging for international Patreon subscribers? These Nazis need to be liquidated, not appeased, and if Ukraine and the west is not up to the task (and why would they be? These Nazis are the only committed fighters they can throw against Russians) then Russia is going to do it. I say that as someone who does not like Putin, but as someone who can see the way that war is going.

This guy, even if he is genuine in being a “socialist” whatever he thinks that means, does not have the correct context to understand even his own involvement in this war. He comes off as basically a liberal in all his justifications but then puts a little red fig leaf over these wrong justifications by claiming to be a “leftist”.

What’s funny is that he mentions a “Ukrainian resistance”. I’m sure this was written in the heady days of all those “Putler is finished!” and sanction flinging. Looking back from 2024, there is no resistance and never was. Ukrainians who could rightfully got the fuck out of the country, why would they stay to die for a government that never gave them shit?

And this part I have to laugh at, it shows how out of date even two years later this piece is.

Any Russian success would strengthen Vladimir Putin’s regime and its reactionary tendencies. It would not mean peace, but decades of instability, guerrilla resistance in the occupied territories, and recurrent clashes on the demarcation line. It would be a disaster not only for Ukraine but also for Russia, where a reactionary political drift would intensify and the economy would suffer from sanctions, with severe consequences for ordinary civilians.

It’s true that there would be a guerilla war if Russia occupied ethnically Ukrainian parts of Ukraine. Especially if these Nazi groups are allowed to exist. And as of July 2024, that’s not what they’re doing. Second, I just have to laugh at the part mentioning sanctions, it just brings back quaint memories. The fact is, the Russian economy has neutered the threat of sanctions and is orienting itself eastward to the detriment of Europe. No more cheap energy for German factories. But don’t worry, uncle Sam is there to help…

As for the idea of a Ukrainian resistance mentioned there. I live in a place that recieved quite a few Ukrainians and work with a handful. To paraphrase what they’ve all said to me: “the country was fucked before 2022, with all the corruption and attending ills that come with kowtoing to the neoliberal/western order. We’re not gonna die for that, and we’re never going back.” So between the attitudes of the diaspora, and the fact that the only way for the Ukrainian army to replenish it’s manpower is by snatching people with trucks, I have to just laugh at the idea of a Ukrainian resistance that isn’t led by neo Nazis.

Last, it’s odd that there’s an argument put forward that , because America losing in Vietnam was a good thing, that Russia should lose the Ukraine war to push back their world domination. As if the world hegemon in the 60s-70s is comparable to Russia’s regional role today. I mean if we’re being honest we can skip the mental gymnastics and say that Ukraine should lose the war, because then America will lose by proxy and that’s a good thing according to the author. They’re still the most important node in global capitalism today after all. The point he tries to make isn’t a flattering one for his own argument, and once again shows how he doesn’t understand historical context of these events. Instead he seems to have an essentially liberal lens of “small guy good, big guy bad”.

No wonder Jacobin published that article . It ticks off all their little boxes of being pathetically aesthetically radical without actually coming to a different conclusion than that reached by the US state department.

So you are implying that Nazis might start Jew extermination at some point.

Do you even look back at what you write before you post it?

which I think implies it’s currently happening.

It really doesn’t. If I say ”I’m going to buy some groceries to make dinner”, there’s no implication that I’m going to start making dinner immediately.

Maybe this one is more to your liking

Many died

Many died and then more nazis joined, and the ones who were captured are now leading the unit

Many new units have been created around the country

And they’re all commanded by ideological nazis and banderites leading cohorts of other convinced nazis or demoralized conscripts who don’t want to be there regardless

We are talking of an initial group (2014) that counted 600 members

And then the years 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, and 23 came and went, the concept of time I know it’s wild, now Azov has thousands of fighters and premier government approved status and is simply one of dozens of openly neo-nazi units operating within the Ukrainian military

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You’re not being downvoted, we don’t have downvotes.

Some people are telling you to fuck off yeah, that’s largely cuz you started making Bandera apologia in the thread, which I think is a pretty good “fuck off” line. Besides that you’ve been pretty smug and obtuse this whole thread so I don’t blame people for not wanting to be 100% civil towards you.

Regardless you have been getting people trying to honestly engage you (perhaps not in a totally polite way, nevertheless) so going on some mopey diatribe about what meanie weenies we’ve been to you just comes off as you being whiny.